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Marl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States692 Posts
August 21 2010 06:28 GMT
#1661
Early CC's need to be punished more often, games that don't have any action for the first 15 minutes are just lame and are why I dislike Flash.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
August 21 2010 06:28 GMT
#1662
On August 21 2010 15:21 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:20 Tyrio wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:19 ilj.psa wrote:
not to say JD sucks or anything but:

anyone noticed that JD won by cheesing and rushing all 3 games, and lose the 2 "straight up" games?
pretty sure if it was kwanro people would be bashing him for getting cheap wins


2 Hatch Muta isn't allin :o It's just aggressive, like 2 rax (though granted, 2 rax is a great deal easier to transition from)

That was the Yarnc build lol, it's at least semi all-in. Reminds me of the Yarnc vs Sea series from last year's WCG, he went this build all three games.

JD went 12hat and then gas before pool. It's the kwanro build that was used a lot on Blue Storm.

It wasn't 12pool lair. 12pool lair also gets minimal lings while whoring drones until mutas.

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LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 06:28 GMT
#1663
On August 21 2010 15:27 Invictus wrote:
Is it only me or that everyone out there is just expecting ace match to be a grand match? Imo i think that the ace match wouldn't be that great a match since an ace match is the match that the progamers themselves when they would try to end the match as decisively as possible instead of playing some sort of grand game where winning is a razor thin thing. Sure, the spectators love it, but would you rather play a grand match and lose every match within a razor thin margin or would you try and take the match decisively when you could? Its obvious,since people who start winning would be the ones that would be recognized. Just because JD chose a 2 hatch build and played somewhat like kwanro then he shouldn't be raged at. He used queens to mindfuck Light so that in the last game the person with the mental edge would win, which most probably would be jaedong since light got mindfucked hard.

Add the fact that he went zerglings he forced light into investing into firebats, which meant fewer marines for his muta buid to succeed.


You know, when a progammer gets so desperate in a game 5 it gets really dissapointing to see the "winner" win by doing something so all-inny.
When there's Flash there's a way.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
August 21 2010 06:29 GMT
#1664
JD won too easily in game 1, needed games 2 and 3 to charge up his anger meter, game 4 he saved his anger by having some lulz, then UNLEASH GAME 5
Awesome series. I can't decide whether this one or the other one (Flash vs Fantasy) was better, but this MSL semis have been so much fun to watch.
[TLMS] REBOOT
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
August 21 2010 06:29 GMT
#1665
On August 21 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:24 ZavikZyke wrote:
mr flamewheel i am expecting an epic writeup XD

I'll try my best. I'm sorry I haven't been around much.


*slap* get on the internet more!
just here
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
August 21 2010 06:29 GMT
#1666
I love how all the Terrans call zergs cheesy if they beat the Terran before he can amass his imba mech army. Late game ZvT is nearly impossible on Polaris Rhapsody, so why shouldn't the zerg be allowed to use early aggression to end the game before it gets to that point?
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 21 2010 06:29 GMT
#1667
On August 21 2010 15:28 GTR wrote:
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On August 21 2010 15:26 Tippereth wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:24 rockon1215 wrote:
Can we go ahead and call JD/Flash co-bonjwas? 3 straight MSL finals with both. 4 straight OSL finals with one of them. This is dominance.

The term bonjwa is kind of defined by its singularity though. It'd be like saying we have co-presidents, or two highlanders. There can be only one.


doesn't really help that msl purposely rig the brackets to get jd/flash to always play each other in the final.

Well when no other progamer can beat those two, who else deserves to play in the finals?
Jaedong
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 06:29 GMT
#1668
On August 21 2010 15:27 IntoTheWow wrote:
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On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight!


Tell that to EffOrt!



JD isn't really the type to 4/5 pool imo.
When there's Flash there's a way.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 21 2010 06:29 GMT
#1669
On August 21 2010 15:28 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:21 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Tyrio wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:19 ilj.psa wrote:
not to say JD sucks or anything but:

anyone noticed that JD won by cheesing and rushing all 3 games, and lose the 2 "straight up" games?
pretty sure if it was kwanro people would be bashing him for getting cheap wins


2 Hatch Muta isn't allin :o It's just aggressive, like 2 rax (though granted, 2 rax is a great deal easier to transition from)

That was the Yarnc build lol, it's at least semi all-in. Reminds me of the Yarnc vs Sea series from last year's WCG, he went this build all three games.

JD went 12hat and then gas before pool. It's the kwanro build that was used a lot on Blue Storm.

It wasn't 12pool lair. 12pool lair also gets minimal lings while whoring drones until mutas.


Thank you for correcting me, Harem.
Jaedong
rockon1215
Profile Joined May 2009
United States612 Posts
August 21 2010 06:29 GMT
#1670
On August 21 2010 15:26 Tippereth wrote:
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On August 21 2010 15:24 rockon1215 wrote:
Can we go ahead and call JD/Flash co-bonjwas? 3 straight MSL finals with both. 4 straight OSL finals with one of them. This is dominance.

The term bonjwa is kind of defined by its singularity though. It'd be like saying we have co-presidents, or two highlanders. There can be only one.
There were 2 roman consuls
Flash v Jaedong The finals that is ALWAYS meant to be
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
August 21 2010 06:30 GMT
#1671
On August 21 2010 15:21 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Anyone else excited to watch Jaedong lose to Flash 3-0 again, or for faulty wiring to interrupt the games? Not meeee


It's painfully obvious that Jaedongs ZvT is as good as it's ever been. The fact he just went through Sea and Light (beat light twice) means he should have a great chance of beating Flash straight up this time.
Creationism
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
China505 Posts
August 21 2010 06:30 GMT
#1672
On August 21 2010 15:28 Teogamer wrote:
Early CC's need to be punished more often, games that don't have any action for the first 15 minutes are just lame and are why I dislike Flash.

Rofl and you like games that end in 10 min whether either players like it or not?
The hoi polloi is the plague upon the world.
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 06:30 GMT
#1673
On August 21 2010 15:29 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I love how all the Terrans call zergs cheesy if they beat the Terran before he can amass his imba mech army. Late game ZvT is nearly impossible on Polaris Rhapsody, so why shouldn't the zerg be allowed to use early aggression to end the game before it gets to that point?



Abusing =/= late transition
When there's Flash there's a way.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
August 21 2010 06:30 GMT
#1674
On August 21 2010 15:29 tbrown47 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:24 ZavikZyke wrote:
mr flamewheel i am expecting an epic writeup XD

I'll try my best. I'm sorry I haven't been around much.


*slap* get on the internet more!

Sorry, uni
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 21 2010 06:30 GMT
#1675
On August 21 2010 15:29 LuigiNMario wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:27 IntoTheWow wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight!


Tell that to EffOrt!



JD isn't really the type to 4/5 pool imo.


Tell that to Hwasin. And then tell that to Hwasin once again.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
August 21 2010 06:30 GMT
#1676
On August 21 2010 15:29 LuigiNMario wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:27 IntoTheWow wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight!


Tell that to EffOrt!



JD isn't really the type to 4/5 pool imo.

You're an SKT fan, and you say that... Really... Recall bacchus semifinals vs a certain SKT terran?
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FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 06:43:07
August 21 2010 06:30 GMT
#1677
On August 21 2010 15:25 teamsolid wrote:
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On August 21 2010 15:21 FireGuyX wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Jakalo wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:17 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:07 Pineapple wrote:
Sorry guys but it wasn't THAT impressive. Seriously, Light just got too greedy going for a third and JD was able to amass lots of Mutalisks. It's no different to what Shine does - massing one type of unit. If Shine had done it we'd all be like yeah what a faggot.


Lol err... SHine does it in ZvP. This is ZvT. On top of that, JD's shown his versatility in a million and one ways. Shine's only ever shown cheesy 1-unit massing play to abuse ZvP. He loses horribly in straight up games. And his ZvT is unspeakably bad. You're just way off lol.


The truth is if (T)Light is a better player (he is great and on par with (Z)Jaedong in this matchu at the time) he shouldnt skimp on defense (bunker?) on THESE MAPS.


Something Flash doesn't do.

Really, already forgotten about how Flash lost the OSL?


Have you watched any of Flash's games? He usually puts a bunker in front of his natural. He lost to effort though mind games, but corrected his mistakes and than beat Jaedong 3-0. Were talking about Flash here, he is the #1 TvZ player for a reason. His mechanics, strategies, game sense, micro, and macro are well above Light's.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
August 21 2010 06:31 GMT
#1678
On August 21 2010 15:28 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:26 Tippereth wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:24 rockon1215 wrote:
Can we go ahead and call JD/Flash co-bonjwas? 3 straight MSL finals with both. 4 straight OSL finals with one of them. This is dominance.

The term bonjwa is kind of defined by its singularity though. It'd be like saying we have co-presidents, or two highlanders. There can be only one.


doesn't really help that msl purposely rig the brackets to get jd/flash to always play each other in the final.


That's like saying tennis purposely rigs its majors to get a Federer Nadal final.
rockon1215
Profile Joined May 2009
United States612 Posts
August 21 2010 06:31 GMT
#1679
On August 21 2010 15:29 LuigiNMario wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:27 IntoTheWow wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight!


Tell that to EffOrt!



JD isn't really the type to 4/5 pool imo.
Jaedong v Fantasy on Holy World would like to have a word with you
Flash v Jaedong The finals that is ALWAYS meant to be
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 06:31 GMT
#1680
On August 21 2010 15:30 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:29 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:27 IntoTheWow wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight!


Tell that to EffOrt!



JD isn't really the type to 4/5 pool imo.

You're an SKT fan, and you say that... Really... Recall bacchus semifinals vs a certain SKT terran?



Yeah, for revenge is understandable, but :l
When there's Flash there's a way.
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