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[MSL] Semi-Final B: Light vs Jaedong - Page 83

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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
August 21 2010 06:25 GMT
#1641
On August 21 2010 15:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:
If the double map is Polaris Rhapsody AGAIN (vs Sea, vs Light before) I'm going to punch something that shouldn't be punched. :X Seriously.

Hey, Jaedong can build zerglings against Flash too!
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Monkeyshark
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
August 21 2010 06:25 GMT
#1642
On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:
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On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.


after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that


Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
August 21 2010 06:25 GMT
#1643
On August 21 2010 15:21 FireGuyX wrote:
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On August 21 2010 15:20 Jakalo wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:17 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:07 Pineapple wrote:
Sorry guys but it wasn't THAT impressive. Seriously, Light just got too greedy going for a third and JD was able to amass lots of Mutalisks. It's no different to what Shine does - massing one type of unit. If Shine had done it we'd all be like yeah what a faggot.


Lol err... SHine does it in ZvP. This is ZvT. On top of that, JD's shown his versatility in a million and one ways. Shine's only ever shown cheesy 1-unit massing play to abuse ZvP. He loses horribly in straight up games. And his ZvT is unspeakably bad. You're just way off lol.


The truth is if (T)Light is a better player (he is great and on par with (Z)Jaedong in this matchu at the time) he shouldnt skimp on defense (bunker?) on THESE MAPS.


Something Flash doesn't do.

Really, already forgotten about how Flash lost the OSL?
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
August 21 2010 06:25 GMT
#1644
That was an all-in. Jaedong had 3 drones in his nat. Whether 2 hatch muta is an all-in or nit depends pretty much on how much Z cuts his economy. Jaedong sacrificed it completely.

n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 21 2010 06:26 GMT
#1645
Before people jump on Jaedong for playing so cheesy, you have to keep in mind that these were the second worse series ZvT maps bested only by the arena ones. And their not like lt, hehe I can run up you ramp or hit your nat lt style imba, they're late game imba. So all credit to light, that game on fighting spirit was one of the best I've ever seen but it's not like Jaedong had a whole lot of choices
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
DatTheMighty
Profile Joined March 2009
Vietnam122 Posts
August 21 2010 06:26 GMT
#1646
On August 21 2010 15:23 kNyTTyM wrote:
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On August 21 2010 15:21 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Tyrio wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:19 ilj.psa wrote:
not to say JD sucks or anything but:

anyone noticed that JD won by cheesing and rushing all 3 games, and lose the 2 "straight up" games?
pretty sure if it was kwanro people would be bashing him for getting cheap wins


2 Hatch Muta isn't allin :o It's just aggressive, like 2 rax (though granted, 2 rax is a great deal easier to transition from)

That was the Yarnc build lol, it's at least semi all-in. Reminds me of the Yarnc vs Sea series from last year's WCG, he went this build all three games.


mmm Yarnc build is 12pool gas hatch. JD went hatch gas pool which I believe was popularized by kwanro.



no gas before pool been there before kwanrolled picked up starcraft wtf. kwanroll aint shit, a kwanroll build is like some retarded ling rush lol. there shouldn't even be a Bo named after kwanroll. just a general ling all in cheezy noob style everyone laffs at including stork.
Tippereth
Profile Joined December 2009
United States252 Posts
August 21 2010 06:26 GMT
#1647
On August 21 2010 15:24 rockon1215 wrote:
Can we go ahead and call JD/Flash co-bonjwas? 3 straight MSL finals with both. 4 straight OSL finals with one of them. This is dominance.

The term bonjwa is kind of defined by its singularity though. It'd be like saying we have co-presidents, or two highlanders. There can be only one.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
August 21 2010 06:26 GMT
#1648
FLASH VS JAEDONG VERSION 3!
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
August 21 2010 06:26 GMT
#1649
If Flash plays safely and defensively (lol) he'll easily win on the imba map pool.
日本語が分かりますか
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
August 21 2010 06:26 GMT
#1650
On August 21 2010 15:25 teamsolid wrote:
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On August 21 2010 15:21 FireGuyX wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Jakalo wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:17 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:07 Pineapple wrote:
Sorry guys but it wasn't THAT impressive. Seriously, Light just got too greedy going for a third and JD was able to amass lots of Mutalisks. It's no different to what Shine does - massing one type of unit. If Shine had done it we'd all be like yeah what a faggot.


Lol err... SHine does it in ZvP. This is ZvT. On top of that, JD's shown his versatility in a million and one ways. Shine's only ever shown cheesy 1-unit massing play to abuse ZvP. He loses horribly in straight up games. And his ZvT is unspeakably bad. You're just way off lol.


The truth is if (T)Light is a better player (he is great and on par with (Z)Jaedong in this matchu at the time) he shouldnt skimp on defense (bunker?) on THESE MAPS.


Something Flash doesn't do.

Really, already forgotten about how Flash lost the OSL?


I think he learnt his lesson though. We will find out soon anyway.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
August 21 2010 06:26 GMT
#1651
On August 21 2010 15:24 ZavikZyke wrote:
mr flamewheel i am expecting an epic writeup XD

I'll try my best. I'm sorry I haven't been around much.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
August 21 2010 06:27 GMT
#1652
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight!
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 06:27 GMT
#1653
On August 21 2010 15:26 NovaTheFeared wrote:
If Flash plays safely and defensively (lol) he'll easily win on the imba map pool.


Not if JD cheeses the living daylights out of flash.
When there's Flash there's a way.
Danger_Duck
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Burkina Faso571 Posts
August 21 2010 06:27 GMT
#1654
On August 21 2010 15:14 randombum wrote:
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On August 21 2010 15:13 AppleTart wrote:
light got greedy and didnt put a bunker he deserves it


Yep, a bunker would've helped so much.


Yeah, I feel like Flash always bunkers when in doubt (with no scout)
TBA
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
August 21 2010 06:27 GMT
#1655
Is it only me or that everyone out there is just expecting ace match to be a grand match? Imo i think that the ace match wouldn't be that great a match since an ace match is the match that the progamers themselves when they would try to end the match as decisively as possible instead of playing some sort of grand game where winning is a razor thin thing. Sure, the spectators love it, but would you rather play a grand match and lose every match within a razor thin margin or would you try and take the match decisively when you could? Its obvious,since people who start winning would be the ones that would be recognized. Just because JD chose a 2 hatch build and played somewhat like kwanro then he shouldn't be raged at. He used queens to mindfuck Light so that in the last game the person with the mental edge would win, which most probably would be jaedong since light got mindfucked hard.

Add the fact that he went zerglings he forced light into investing into firebats, which meant fewer marines for his muta buid to succeed.
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
August 21 2010 06:27 GMT
#1656
On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight!


Tell that to EffOrt!
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Tippereth
Profile Joined December 2009
United States252 Posts
August 21 2010 06:27 GMT
#1657
On August 21 2010 15:27 Danger_Duck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:14 randombum wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:13 AppleTart wrote:
light got greedy and didnt put a bunker he deserves it


Yep, a bunker would've helped so much.


Yeah, I feel like Flash always bunkers when in doubt (with no scout)

Flash triple bunkering versus Calm comes to mind. Damn hacker.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51416 Posts
August 21 2010 06:28 GMT
#1658
On August 21 2010 15:26 Tippereth wrote:
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On August 21 2010 15:24 rockon1215 wrote:
Can we go ahead and call JD/Flash co-bonjwas? 3 straight MSL finals with both. 4 straight OSL finals with one of them. This is dominance.

The term bonjwa is kind of defined by its singularity though. It'd be like saying we have co-presidents, or two highlanders. There can be only one.


doesn't really help that msl purposely rig the brackets to get jd/flash to always play each other in the final.
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
August 21 2010 06:28 GMT
#1659
On August 21 2010 15:26 n.DieJokes wrote:
Before people jump on Jaedong for playing so cheesy, you have to keep in mind that these were the second worse series ZvT maps bested only by the arena ones. And their not like lt, hehe I can run up you ramp or hit your nat lt style imba, they're late game imba. So all credit to light, that game on fighting spirit was one of the best I've ever seen but it's not like Jaedong had a whole lot of choices

I agree.

I'm disappointed by the result, but complaining about Jaedong for playing to win is stupid
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ZavikZyke
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States382 Posts
August 21 2010 06:28 GMT
#1660
The way i see it is that if flash wins both finals, he will be a bonjwa
if he loses one or both, we're gonna be stuck at without one for another while
Hoejja is Bonjwa
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