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[MSL] Semi-Final B: Light vs Jaedong - Page 89

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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 07:02:10
August 21 2010 07:00 GMT
#1761
Again, the object of the game is to win by any means. There's nothing wrong with what Effort did to Flash, what Jaedong did to Light, or what Light did to Effort.
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LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 07:01 GMT
#1762
On August 21 2010 16:00 _awake_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:50 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:48 King K. Rool wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:41 Savant wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:33 shadesofkarma wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.


after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that


Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens


Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.


So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.

And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).

And it worked.

The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.

There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.



I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.


what's wrong with early ling aggression? it's the terran's fault for skimping out on defense



Again, it was 2 times it was like jd refused to go to lategame no matter what.
When there's Flash there's a way.
FearDarkness
Profile Joined February 2009
United States519 Posts
August 21 2010 07:02 GMT
#1763
Terrans practicing late game too much
Can't spell Voidrays without Idra
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
August 21 2010 07:02 GMT
#1764
On August 21 2010 16:01 LuigiNMario wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 16:00 _awake_ wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:50 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:48 King K. Rool wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:41 Savant wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:33 shadesofkarma wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.


after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that


Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens


Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.


So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.

And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).

And it worked.

The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.

There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.



I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.


what's wrong with early ling aggression? it's the terran's fault for skimping out on defense



Again, it was 2 times it was like jd refused to go to lategame no matter what.


players aren't obligated to go to lategame
always tired -_-
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 07:02 GMT
#1765
I have to argue for 1 more hour so let's keep it up.
When there's Flash there's a way.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
August 21 2010 07:03 GMT
#1766
oh shit, i slept to long for this need vods ~
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
August 21 2010 07:03 GMT
#1767
On August 21 2010 16:01 LuigiNMario wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 16:00 _awake_ wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:50 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:48 King K. Rool wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:41 Savant wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:33 shadesofkarma wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.


after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that


Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens


Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.


So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.

And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).

And it worked.

The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.

There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.



I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.


what's wrong with early ling aggression? it's the terran's fault for skimping out on defense



Again, it was 2 times it was like jd refused to go to lategame no matter what.

Smart decision, too. Light has basically destroyed every zerg he's faced since he got rolled by Kwanro. Why play his game when you can take him out of his comfort zone?
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 07:04 GMT
#1768
On August 21 2010 16:02 AppleTart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 16:01 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 16:00 _awake_ wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:50 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:48 King K. Rool wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:41 Savant wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:33 shadesofkarma wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:
[quote]

after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that


Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens


Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.


So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.

And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).

And it worked.

The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.

There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.



I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.


what's wrong with early ling aggression? it's the terran's fault for skimping out on defense



Again, it was 2 times it was like jd refused to go to lategame no matter what.


players aren't obligated to go to lategame


It's not obligated, but i think it's courtesy to go atleast to mid game where jd can show off some good muta harrass and win. I just feel it's much cleaner and you won't get bashed on.
When there's Flash there's a way.
darkmetal505
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States639 Posts
August 21 2010 07:04 GMT
#1769
On August 21 2010 16:01 LuigiNMario wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 16:00 _awake_ wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:50 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:48 King K. Rool wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:41 Savant wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:33 shadesofkarma wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.


after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that


Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens


Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.


So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.

And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).

And it worked.

The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.

There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.



I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.


what's wrong with early ling aggression? it's the terran's fault for skimping out on defense



Again, it was 2 times it was like jd refused to go to lategame no matter what.


Why does he have to though if he knows he can end it right then and there?
_awake_
Profile Joined August 2007
196 Posts
August 21 2010 07:04 GMT
#1770
seems to me that a zerg user is just pissed that his own early ling aggression always fails unlike jd
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
August 21 2010 07:04 GMT
#1771
On August 21 2010 16:00 LuigiNMario wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:56 Severedevil wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:52 Savant wrote:
Flash's maphack isn't %100 foolproof. He lost to carriers vs Kal today. Still, I want Jaedong to cheese and watch him get shut down in humiliating fashion. I think double-infesting Light pushed me over the brink to being an anti-fan. I already dislike Free.

Wait... Jaedong's use of Queen's made you dislike Jaedong?

When Stork dominates Effort with Scouts, are you going to hate Stork?

When Leta defeats Flash and then Free with mass lockdown, are you going to hate Leta?



It was hard to tell if it was bm or actually making light suffer like crazy, Mutas with +1 upgrade is practically no match for a bundle of goliaths. I also saw jd have 4 bases by the 8min mark? :/

That's how Triathlon is played. There are tons of bases only accessible by air (or by ground after you kill the Arbiter + eggs), so until mutas or wraiths/dropships are on the field, those expos can be taken at very little risk.

This is good for Zerg, but also good for mech, because Terran can hold 5+ bases while barely advancing past his natural. This makes the late game rather unattractive for Zerg, so rushing a powerful economy --> mass muta is one good solution.
My strategy is to fork people.
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
August 21 2010 07:05 GMT
#1772
On August 21 2010 16:04 LuigiNMario wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 16:02 AppleTart wrote:
On August 21 2010 16:01 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 16:00 _awake_ wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:50 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:48 King K. Rool wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:41 Savant wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:33 shadesofkarma wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
[quote]

Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens


Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.


So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.

And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).

And it worked.

The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.

There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.



I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.


what's wrong with early ling aggression? it's the terran's fault for skimping out on defense



Again, it was 2 times it was like jd refused to go to lategame no matter what.


players aren't obligated to go to lategame


It's not obligated, but i think it's courtesy to go atleast to mid game where jd can show off some good muta harrass and win. I just feel it's much cleaner and you won't get bashed on.


you think JD gives a fuck if a couple guys on TL bash him?
Oh yeah, It's also common courtesy to not blind 14cc 3 times
always tired -_-
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 07:05 GMT
#1773
On August 21 2010 16:03 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 16:01 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 16:00 _awake_ wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:50 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:48 King K. Rool wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:41 Savant wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:33 shadesofkarma wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:
[quote]

after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that


Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens


Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.


So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.

And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).

And it worked.

The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.

There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.



I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.


what's wrong with early ling aggression? it's the terran's fault for skimping out on defense



Again, it was 2 times it was like jd refused to go to lategame no matter what.

Smart decision, too. Light has basically destroyed every zerg he's faced since he got rolled by Kwanro. Why play his game when you can take him out of his comfort zone?



Sooo... early aggression into cheese is his comfort zone, If all the zergs would do this i wonder what would happen to TvZ <___>
When there's Flash there's a way.
Creationism
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
China505 Posts
August 21 2010 07:05 GMT
#1774
On August 21 2010 15:53 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:49 DatTheMighty wrote:
To all the newbs complaining about jaedongs play please watch this game
a better terran woulda won in light's situation (I.E. Flash). lights been around these leagues since the dinosaur age if hes any good he woulda made a final long ago. focusing all your energy doing ur own strategy and not contemplating what the opponent is doing doesnt make you a winning player. Notice how in game 3 jaedong did a fake hydra all in? light had jack shit and didn't even bother putting up a bunker, jaedong prolly thought how dumb of him to fake when he woulda prolly won doing what he was trying to fake lol. light had it coming to him in the ace match, the series vs kwanroll a couple of seasons back where he loss to like all in ling rushes i dont know how many times taught him nothing.

...Please. You could say there IS no better terran than Light and you wouldn't be far from the truth. Him or Flash. If Light loses, then there's a damn good chance Flash would too. Light is no TvZ failure.

What??? No better terran than Light? Are you serious? He demonstrated excellent mid-late game play today, but his early game planning and game sense was god awful. I mean he basically lost to C+ iccup strats.
The hoi polloi is the plague upon the world.
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
August 21 2010 07:05 GMT
#1775
On August 21 2010 16:04 LuigiNMario wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 16:02 AppleTart wrote:
On August 21 2010 16:01 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 16:00 _awake_ wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:50 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:48 King K. Rool wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:41 Savant wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:33 shadesofkarma wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
[quote]

Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens


Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.


So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.

And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).

And it worked.

The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.

There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.



I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.


what's wrong with early ling aggression? it's the terran's fault for skimping out on defense



Again, it was 2 times it was like jd refused to go to lategame no matter what.


players aren't obligated to go to lategame


It's not obligated, but i think it's courtesy to go atleast to mid game where jd can show off some good muta harrass and win. I just feel it's much cleaner and you won't get bashed on.



Players will be bashed on no matter what. Fans and anti-fans will always get mad at something. Its the nature of the beast.
Jaedong and Baby
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
August 21 2010 07:06 GMT
#1776
lol the same MSL finals again
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 07:08:01
August 21 2010 07:06 GMT
#1777
On August 21 2010 16:01 LuigiNMario wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 16:00 _awake_ wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:50 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:48 King K. Rool wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:41 Savant wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:33 shadesofkarma wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.


after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that


Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens


Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.


So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.

And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).

And it worked.

The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.

There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.



I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.


what's wrong with early ling aggression? it's the terran's fault for skimping out on defense



Again, it was 2 times it was like jd refused to go to lategame no matter what.


He just lost to Light on Fighting Spirit, the most ZvT balanced map of the series, in a late game match. Why would he choose to do it on Polaris Rhapsody when it's the worst (iirc) ZvT map? It's sort of basic strategy to not play to your opponent's strengths...

And like someone else said, players aren't obligated to go to the late game.

edit:
Sooo... early aggression into cheese is his comfort zone, If all the zergs would do this i wonder what would happen to TvZ <___>


What cheese? You just lost all credibility...
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
August 21 2010 07:06 GMT
#1778
On August 21 2010 16:05 LuigiNMario wrote:
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On August 21 2010 16:03 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On August 21 2010 16:01 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 16:00 _awake_ wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:50 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:48 King K. Rool wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:41 Savant wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:33 shadesofkarma wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
[quote]

Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens


Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.


So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.

And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).

And it worked.

The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.

There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.



I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.


what's wrong with early ling aggression? it's the terran's fault for skimping out on defense



Again, it was 2 times it was like jd refused to go to lategame no matter what.

Smart decision, too. Light has basically destroyed every zerg he's faced since he got rolled by Kwanro. Why play his game when you can take him out of his comfort zone?



Sooo... early aggression into cheese is his comfort zone, If all the zergs would do this i wonder what would happen to TvZ <___>


Maybe they will build a bunker cough cough
always tired -_-
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 07:06 GMT
#1779
On August 21 2010 16:05 AppleTart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 16:04 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 16:02 AppleTart wrote:
On August 21 2010 16:01 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 16:00 _awake_ wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:50 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:48 King K. Rool wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:41 Savant wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:33 shadesofkarma wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
[quote]
hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens


Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.


So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.

And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).

And it worked.

The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.

There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.



I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.


what's wrong with early ling aggression? it's the terran's fault for skimping out on defense



Again, it was 2 times it was like jd refused to go to lategame no matter what.


players aren't obligated to go to lategame


It's not obligated, but i think it's courtesy to go atleast to mid game where jd can show off some good muta harrass and win. I just feel it's much cleaner and you won't get bashed on.


you think JD gives a fuck if a couple guys on TL bash him?
Oh yeah, It's also common courtesy to not blind 14cc 3 times


Light clearly has balls , and remember jd got his ass wooped by flash's 14cc.
When there's Flash there's a way.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 21 2010 07:06 GMT
#1780
On August 21 2010 16:05 Creationism wrote:
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On August 21 2010 15:53 Lightwip wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:49 DatTheMighty wrote:
To all the newbs complaining about jaedongs play please watch this game
a better terran woulda won in light's situation (I.E. Flash). lights been around these leagues since the dinosaur age if hes any good he woulda made a final long ago. focusing all your energy doing ur own strategy and not contemplating what the opponent is doing doesnt make you a winning player. Notice how in game 3 jaedong did a fake hydra all in? light had jack shit and didn't even bother putting up a bunker, jaedong prolly thought how dumb of him to fake when he woulda prolly won doing what he was trying to fake lol. light had it coming to him in the ace match, the series vs kwanroll a couple of seasons back where he loss to like all in ling rushes i dont know how many times taught him nothing.

...Please. You could say there IS no better terran than Light and you wouldn't be far from the truth. Him or Flash. If Light loses, then there's a damn good chance Flash would too. Light is no TvZ failure.

What??? No better terran than Light? Are you serious? He demonstrated excellent mid-late game play today, but his early game planning and game sense was god awful. I mean he basically lost to C+ iccup strats.

By ELO he is #2.
Look at his record.
Also, anyone can lose to being too greedy. Especially in TvZ, which is all about exploiting a weakness and repetitive rape.
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