EPT[MSL] Ro8 Day 1 - Page 49
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
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Shatter
United States1401 Posts
On August 05 2010 20:57 DarkMatter_ wrote: Sea sucks? I guess 95% of progamers suck under your standards.That game is making me rage so hard. Fuck the MSL and its shitty map pool. How the hell is zerg supposed to beat that? Jaedong, as usual, was the much better player than the shitty Terran opponent with their turtling mech bullshit. Sea sucks and didn't deserve to win that. He just let a huge bunch of tanks get killed early on (first to mutas and then to the flank) without even noticing it until the last second because hey, who needs basic multitasking when you can just abuse TvZ and map imbalance. | ||
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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AJ-
United States316 Posts
On August 05 2010 20:55 revy wrote: OMG what do you mean I cant a move into terran defense setups?!!?!?!?! This sounds just like the SC2 arguments against mech when 95% of the zergs just a-move into my tank setup. i doubt the top 3 z progamers in this msl are "a-moving into a tank setup." although the end of effort's game looked exactly like that, i think by that time he knew he lost. let's not compare him to diamond sc2 | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On August 05 2010 21:00 4Servy wrote: its bo5 with other maps to play so jd can still take it if hes the better player. Yeah but odd-eye 3 seems to be favoring terrans too.  | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On August 05 2010 21:00 4Servy wrote: its bo5 with other maps to play so jd can still take it if hes the better player. My other half, snowdrift, and I agree that it's going to be LWWW. I don't really hate Terran other than when I'm raging. I just don't like maps. Dreamliner? Heh. PR? Yeah... At least FS is pretty even... | ||
disciple
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
no fucking idea how to remedy that though | ||
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4753 Posts
Everytime a game plays out like this there is so many comments on "lol, he just suicided his whole army, he is bad/sloppy/whatever". Well, zerg cannot wait forever to attack (200/200 terranmech with 5k/2k in the bank won't be too nice for zerg). Late game, each attack they go in with like 120 food worth of stuff and if one attack is misstimed it gets pretty difficult. On other maps you can drop the main and fun stuff like that, but on Polaris it's pretty easy for terran to cover everything and slowly take their half. Still, Light and Sea are not your average terrans, you have to give them credit for their execution. | ||
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luckybeni2
Germany1065 Posts
On August 05 2010 20:59 Shatter wrote: Sea sucks? I guess 95% of progamers suck under your standards. Well, if someone sais these things he can't be taken seriously. Sea has an over 60% win ratio and he is in th leagues for like forever. | ||
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Firien
Poland115 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Liquipedia_QnA_Episode_1 readin' | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
Jaedongs early game was pretty much flawless, those "bad attacks" that lost him the game or "mistakes" as you call them are basically 80% the maps fault, not Jaedongs. Yeah, "a-moving into the tank ball" is stupid. However options are pretty limited when there's no way to flank. Sure you can pull some miracle composition/control out of your ass, but the Zerg shouldn't be forced to perform miracles when being up a dozen bases and facing a "strategy" that revolves around the (terran mech) equivalent of "a-moving". | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
On August 05 2010 20:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: on this map there's really not a lot. because of the gigantic rush distance, anything pool-first and a lot of 2-base all-in builds simply don't work. if he saw this build coming, 2hatch muta would have been vastly preferable to his slow 3hatch build, but by no means a guaranteed win. jaedong's ineffectual muta harass put him in a small hole initially, and he did very well to climb out through some smart unit control. choosing hydralisk as the backbone of his army wasn't a great idea, an extra two hatcheries and lurker/ling would have been preferable and would have given jaedong some much-needed map control before sea's mech transition occured. had he done that, sea wouldn't have been able to so easily cut the map in half, though with the way this map is set up i suspect it's something of an inevitability. Thanks for the reply and insight FS. The map definitely brings out some tough ZvTs | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On August 05 2010 21:03 Firien wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Zerg_vs._Mech_Terran_Guide readin' There's a big difference between regular mech versus the bio into lategame mech transition. | ||
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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jackknight
United States51 Posts
There must have been a recent patch for SC:BW that made people complain about T being imbalance? I mean, looking at the past winner of OSL/MSL, you can clearly see the imbalance race. So, when did this imbalance conversation became so annoying every dam day? Until I see constant race (such as when Zerg dominated in the 08-09 MSL/OSL) win every time, I rather read better analysis of the game/map/player than some junk post. | ||
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