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amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
July 30 2010 11:04 GMT
#721
time for some sea + Show Spoiler +
ownage
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-30 11:05:02
July 30 2010 11:04 GMT
#722
Sea has been tentative in TvZ, which is how he lost against Roro and Jaedong. I hope Sea realizes he can't turtle against JD.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-30 11:05:08
July 30 2010 11:04 GMT
#723
On July 30 2010 20:03 Waxangel wrote:
Reading DCinside SC forums, apparently Flash made 108 turrets -___-?

That has to be a record lol

Go Jaedong!
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
July 30 2010 11:04 GMT
#724
On July 30 2010 20:03 Waxangel wrote:
Reading DCinside SC forums, apparently Flash made 108 turrets -___-?

That's the way to go if you're turtling for the win. Who needs to waste supply on Goliaths..
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
July 30 2010 11:04 GMT
#725
On July 30 2010 20:03 Waxangel wrote:
Reading DCinside SC forums, apparently Flash made 108 turrets -___-?

wtf
seriously
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 30 2010 11:05 GMT
#726
On July 30 2010 20:03 Waxangel wrote:
Reading DCinside SC forums, apparently Flash made 108 turrets -___-?

so... flash only invested 8.1k minerals? O.o
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
July 30 2010 11:05 GMT
#727
On July 30 2010 19:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Zero played his heart out, I doubt any other Zerg could've done much better than he did. And yet Flash still won. Combination of Terran bullshit + Polaris bullshit. Any other map where Zero could've flanked at all he woulda won T_T


Well in fairness Flash wouldn't have played this strat on another map. And of course we all know he's perfectly capable of winning playing normally, he just chooses not to once in awhile haha.

Once again to reiterate, Flash's play was really LAME. However, in the grand scheme of things I thought it was brilliant. Note the following:

- Since this was Zero's first game in a long time, he was probably very prepared.

- Flash chose a build that was essentially completely indestructible in early game (scout before CC, ling-tight wall, Turrets ready at perfect timing ... note that Zero basically went fastest possible Mutas given that Flash knew his Lair timing and Flash's Turrets were still ready on time). This nullified any early game preparation by Zero.

- Flash chose a build that hasn't really been seen on Polaris yet. Certainly not to THIS degree. This nullified most mid-late game preparation by Zero. Essentially Zero was forced to play on the fly. He did a great job but had he known Flash was simply not going to push, he could have taken bases more aggressively and perhaps thought out his attack patterns a bit better. Frankly Flash was very prepared - Zero never even saw some of the Turret walls in Flash's main that were there in case he elected to do a backdoor drop.

- Flash chose a build on a new map that seems to be here to stay (2 player replacement for Match Point, balances PvZ, etc). At the minimum it's part of this OSL and now any Zerg that prepares to face him on this map will have to think about this strat and how they'll deal with it. He just greatly increased the range of possibilities Zerg players have to prepare for, which will help a lot later on (ie when he faces JD).

- Flash also gently reminded all Zergs out there that he can play this style and that no one comes even close to being able to do it the same way. Good luck finding practice partners for it.

All in all, "fun" stuff from Flash.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9430 Posts
July 30 2010 11:05 GMT
#728
108 turrets
108 * 75 = 8100 minerals
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
July 30 2010 11:05 GMT
#729
On July 30 2010 20:04 SkelA wrote:
i dont beleive the poll even with flash playing the most boring style on earth he played perfect and zero was close to perfect play too. Recommended game for sure

The "poll" is a quoted poll from Leta vs. Bisu.
. . . nevermore
Keidy
Profile Joined June 2009
253 Posts
July 30 2010 11:05 GMT
#730
EAPM?

JD, plz dont fail me now!
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
July 30 2010 11:06 GMT
#731
Record for Flash before was ~75 turrets in some TvP he played a couple years back when he was doing his "lol I have more Turrets and mines than you have units" style every game as far as I know, I guess that record got shattered...in a TvZ...

Fuck Terran TT
TranslatorBaa!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9430 Posts
July 30 2010 11:06 GMT
#732
GO GO JD you beast!!
Don't let us down!!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
July 30 2010 11:06 GMT
#733
On July 30 2010 20:02 Miragee wrote:
You call mech is not imba. It takes so much effort from the zerg for alomost nothing from the terran player. Zero drops, flanks and swarm at the same time while Flash just watching his army winning: by the way, he was very behind in economy...A drop everywere else was just impossible because of mass turrets and mines (I don't want to calculate how many minerals are spend on turrets this game).
Maybe mech isn't imba, but it is way more difficult for the zerg and the style like in this game is boring and frustrating.


Flash just watching his army winning?

No one can do that nearly as well as Flash does it. Same in TvP. The guy is just flawless. He makes it look so easy because he's extremely skilled, that is all.

This being said, M&M-oriented TvZ games are so much more fun to watch. :/
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
July 30 2010 11:06 GMT
#734
On July 30 2010 20:04 Kaervek56 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2010 20:02 JohnColtrane wrote:
On July 30 2010 20:01 Kaervek56 wrote:
On July 30 2010 20:00 JohnColtrane wrote:
435 t v 455 z

those are peaks not average, 310 t v 315 z


yeah, and where did i say they were average?

what's the point in relaying the peak apm? it's not a more accurate judgement of apm since since it takes into account early game spam.


its a statistic genius, if there wasnt a point it wouldnt be fucking broadcasted. people like seeing all different kinds of statistics, i just quoted one i found interesting. his peak may or may not be from that big battle with the swarm drops and shit flying in all over everything, and frankly average apm is diluted by the gay spamming they do at the start of the match
HEY MEYT
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 30 2010 11:06 GMT
#735
hoping sea wins, so that all terrans this day won :D
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Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
July 30 2010 11:06 GMT
#736
Well, flash gets the results, he wins, doesnt matter how.. As all of you who are flaming him, nonames, should maybe go and make a name for your self with all the "imba" tactics you have

For me, it was a great game, everything has its purpose..
One ring, to rule them all!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33713 Posts
July 30 2010 11:07 GMT
#737
DCinside guys calling the 108 turrets the "108 sins" (buddhist concept, Flash is a buddhist)
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 30 2010 11:07 GMT
#738
It makes sense to make that many turrets considering that 2 of his first 4 bases were mineral only.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
July 30 2010 11:07 GMT
#739
On July 30 2010 20:00 Wonders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2010 19:55 Sadistx wrote:
On July 30 2010 19:53 Waxangel wrote:
the shit Zero was doing was so incredibly hard and required so much APM

You mean terrible drops without swarm and a-moving hydraling into tank lines?


Are you trolling? You try controlling 100+ lings while dropping 10 overlords individually (unloading on themselves) and casting 5 swarms like Zero was doing.


You don't control lings individually, and you don't unload ovies individually either if you're unloading on yourself. It's actually not impossibly hard if you have defilers hotkeyed. Try not to accuse people of trolling if you have no clue.

No amount of control would have saved the stupid decision to drop the most protected place on the map.
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
July 30 2010 11:07 GMT
#740
how do they know 108 turrets exactly?
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
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