EPT[SPL] SK Telecom T1 vs MBCGame HERO - Page 33
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
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Jaester88
United States143 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Still though, bisu put up a good fight it's light ffs | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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below66
United States1761 Posts
On April 21 2010 15:31 below66 wrote: can you imagine if he sac some observers to check those mines in the mineral line? and only recalled like 5-7 zealots to pop the mines off and take all the scv's? would of been nice to see that... would have won him the game. yes i just quoted myself. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
 Stupid... | ||
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Jojee
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On April 21 2010 15:35 Holgerius wrote: It's so frustrating to watch Protoss players do these mindless recalls all the time. What was the point of recalling there in that situation? Stupid... So true though. ^ Bisu was up two bases on him, and Light wasn't even trying to take a 4th or anything. Light didn't have him contained or anything either. And I doubt Bisu was maxed. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4830 Posts
On April 21 2010 15:25 purpose wrote: Wow thats why I hate Terran. Camp with uber tanks, do some drops, then sit and watch while protoss recalls into mines and then just role out and own with uber tanks gg no re. On April 21 2010 15:26 KumquatExpress wrote: that game made no sense The game made perfect sense if you understand the matchup. Protoss took an early lead, which allowed him to easily take a third and then fourth and fifth base, with Terran stuck on three bases Protoss got a roaring economy, lots of gates, upgrades going, and arbiters. Protoss heavily favored to win, Terran's only choices are to expand (very hard versus recall and so many expendable zealots) or push out with a 200/200 ridiculous upgrades EMP + Tank + Vulture w/goliath attack and try to EMP enough arbiters + catch the Protoss army in an unfavorable enough position that massive gateway reinforcements can't make up the difference. Terran is holding a small number of locations, so Protoss cannot make any effective attack, including recall. Protoss uses recall, sacrificing 40+ food and a pile of arbiter energy. Terran takes that blessing and rushes the fuck out of Protoss before he can refill his army -- > Terran wins. I do find it a little obnoxious that Terran can always turtle up to a death blob regardless of how far behind they are (on a map with a fairly easy third) but three base Terran is perfectly manageable provided you the Protoss know your role in the game. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
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Garnet
Vietnam9011 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 21 2010 15:39 pylonsalad wrote: Why is storm so rare in PvT these days? Given the current metagame of PvT I think its more useful to delay arbitor tech in favour of storm. Terrans will just simply not let you recall without paying a heavy price anymore. Stasis is still useful but storm actually kills shit, especially important vs high upgrade Terran. I miss those oldschool games of breaking a terran push with goon/zlot/ht with shuttle support. I miss classic reach,Ra, jangbi overrunning a terran siege line. Yeah, I agree with Terrans becoming much better at handling recalls. Storms would have helped so much, and it's not like Bisu was hurting for resources. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On April 21 2010 15:39 pylonsalad wrote: Why is storm so rare in PvT these days? Given the current metagame of PvT I think its more useful to delay arbitor tech in favour of storm. Terrans will just simply not let you recall without paying a heavy price anymore. Stasis is still useful but storm actually kills shit, especially important vs high upgrade Terran. I miss those oldschool games of breaking a terran push with goon/zlot/ht with shuttle support. I miss classic reach,Ra, jangbi overrunning a terran siege line. I think it's because of two reasons: 1. Progamers are still stuck with the recall --> win mentality. Arbiters have a lot of merits, and offers Protoss units even greater mobility. If the Terran player is off-guard, one successful recall can be game-ending. 2. High Templars are hard to use, even for progamers. They walk slower, and tend to fall behind. Unless positioned perfectly (shuttles needed, often), they aren't going to be much use. Also, HTs cost a lot of gas, and those could be spent on arbiters and upgrades. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On April 21 2010 15:34 below66 wrote: would have won him the game. yes i just quoted myself. I'm pretty sure he did have an Obs with the Arbiter, might have to rewatch later but I thought I saw one. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4830 Posts
On April 21 2010 15:39 pylonsalad wrote: Why is storm so rare in PvT these days? Given the current metagame of PvT I think its more useful to delay arbitor tech in favour of storm. Terrans will just simply not let you recall without paying a heavy price anymore. Stasis is still useful but storm actually kills shit, especially important vs high upgrade Terran. I miss those oldschool games of breaking a terran push with goon/zlot/ht with shuttle support. I miss classic reach,Ra, jangbi overrunning a terran siege line. I think it's mostly that shuttle/templar are more effort to use. Although a true baller Protoss should really be using shuttle/templar AND arbiters. Recall is also very handy against a Terran who tries to slow push or otherwise take a position on the map. It's useless if Terran is turtling on less than four bases, in which case you should not recall. And ideally, Protoss would bring a bloody speed observer with the arbiter. | ||
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hubson
Sweden93 Posts
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wfoperational
United States143 Posts
On April 21 2010 15:45 Kyuukyuu wrote: I'm pretty sure he did have an Obs with the Arbiter, might have to rewatch later but I thought I saw one. He had one, but it died to the turrets before reaching the mineral line. And he had it in order to draw turret fire away the Arbiter, not to check on the minefield. EDIT: lol brainfart I couldn't remember what the terran air defense was called T_T | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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