EPT[SWL] KT Rolster vs Woongjin Stars - Page 47
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SkelA
Macedonia13090 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
That said, it shouldn't have mattered if he saw a muta switch. 5 base Mutas should run over any army Flash could make out of 2 base. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13090 Posts
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moopie
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:57 TwoToneTerran wrote: Flash had 2 rax around Kwanro's Nat and Main for most of the midgame. He would've seen a muta switch. That said, it shouldn't have mattered if he saw a muta switch. 5 base Mutas should run over any army Flash could make out of 2 base. When Kwanro had 5 saturated bases to 2 bases of Flash? Muta seem obvious but you are exaggerating Kwanro eco. | ||
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
On March 01 2010 22:01 Polis wrote: When Kwanro had 5 saturated bases to 2 bases of Flash? Muta seem obvious but you are exaggerating Kwanro eco. i would not say saturated BUT kwanro tech switching muta will definitely cause irreversible damage to flash | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On March 01 2010 22:01 Polis wrote: When Kwanro had 5 saturated bases to 2 bases of Flash? Muta seem obvious but you are exaggerating Kwanro eco. Only 3 bases were well saturated but to mass up mutas you just need extra geysers. | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
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Etopen
United States138 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On March 01 2010 22:03 lavion wrote: i would not say saturated BUT kwanro tech switching muta will definitely cause irreversible damage to flash I agree that muta was obvious choice for Kwanro, but that is not a reason to say that Kwanro eco advantage was bigger then it was. | ||
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Etopen
United States138 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:43 Highways wrote: Jaedong is able to kill massive Terran mech balls with hydra/muta on 3 bases. Kwanro on 5+ bases should've completely owned Flash, if he played half smart. Is this the same Jaedong that lost to Flash on katrina when he goes mech? | ||
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Highways
Australia6122 Posts
On March 01 2010 22:12 Etopen wrote: Is this the same Jaedong that lost to Flash on katrina when he goes mech? That game was ages ago, before mech started to take off. This game shows the most effective way of dealing with mech: | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + What just happened in ace vs Oz | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
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SturmAddict
Malaysia176 Posts
He was 3 base vs 4 (with one base being harrassed by vults) and 3 base vs 6 unsaturated base, however at this point, flash had a large army of tank and vultures. Flash also had lifted buildings and scans at this point. Im pretty sure someone of flash caliber would know if kwanro was saving up larvae and resources for muta's. and if its less then 10 muta's, flash has 7 factories and he can mass up critical golliaths in 1 minute . if kwanro had switched to muta and stopped his ground army, vultures would just roll all his expansions and flash would easily reverse the situation (and do note, even with a ground army, vultures rolled almost every single zerg expansion in this game) | ||
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Vasoline73
United States8184 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:54 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Be reasonable, Flash fans. That was 49% Flash being Flash, and 6,000% Kwanro being retarded. From the halfway point on, yes. I was cringing when Kwanro a-moved 10 ultras from his natural rally point to Flash's 9 o clock and only two got there because all the others got killed by mines. That was ridiculously bad and hilarious at the same time. On March 01 2010 21:43 Highways wrote: Jaedong is able to kill massive Terran mech balls with hydra/muta on 3 bases. Kwanro on 5+ bases should've completely owned Flash, if he played half smart. I think you underestimate how well Jaedong controls the game flow up to the point of crushing the terran army. He makes it look easy by controlling the game flow. Kwanro on the other hand got dropped, lost some drones/ his pool and then was facing a 3 base terran who tech switched with only 4 bases for himself. Kwanro definitely didn't have 6 bases until Flash was starting to mine 6 o clock (his 4th) at which point he began shelling Kwanro's 6 o clock natural expansion from the high ground. I dont doubt that Kwanro could have played better but it's not like you can just say "Jaedong would have xyz here" and expect it to be the same for Kwanro. Jaedong would have ended the game with the lurkers. JD wouldn't have let Flash set up a third, and probably wouldn't even have gotten dropped. Kwanro just showed no control over the flow of the game. His opportunity to muta switch was way smaller than it's being made out to be. On March 01 2010 22:00 SkelA wrote: yea even if he saw the muta he had no vessels to counter mutas and 5 gas muta can rape turrets/goliaths preety easy Yeah but he didn't have 5 gas until Flash took 6 o clock which is what people aren't getting. Once Flash has 4 bases and upgraded mech mutas don't just rape everything. In order for a muta switch to work it would have had to have been like, right as Flash lifted his barracks imo. He would have had to have started air upgrades, and constantly switch between hydra and muta to chip away at Flash's army, third base and economy. It would have had to have been contant pressure while expanding himself and preventing any sort of 4th base or push. Even then it would have been a long game (though Kwanro would likely win) If he tried switching after that timing window Kwanro would be fighting 2-1 golaiths and infinite spammed turrents, as Flash took his 4th, with 0-0 muta and some ultras that he would have already made at that point. I'll say it again, I'm pretty sure Kwanro wasn't on 5 gas until Flash had started to set up 6 o clock... | ||
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Emon_
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okum
France5779 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
kwanrolled fail?? | ||
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