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[SWL] KT Rolster vs Woongjin Stars
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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/keit/plNamdaemun.png) Thanks to keit for the banner 2010 Shinhan Bank Winners League Week 5: KT Rolster vs Woongjin Stars ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/2.jpg) vs. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/6.jpg) KT Rolster vs Woongjin Stars Monday, March 1, 2010: 18:00 KST Lineup: ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/207.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4298241699_df9ec0ba14_o.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/647.jpg)  fOrGG < Roadrunner >  Neo.G_Soulkey ![[image loading]](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2780/4270138554_182b8f6714_o.jpg) Set 2 < New Tornado > ![[image loading]](http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/4298233007_a8f48c0585_o.jpg) Set 3 < Judgment Day > ![[image loading]](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2711/4270138498_55d0c9b2b1_o.jpg) Set 4 < Fighting Spirit > ![[image loading]](http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4270138486_fa49e5b17a_o.jpg) Set 5 < Match Point > ![[image loading]](http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4270138564_e2f4db281d_o.jpg) Set 6 < Neo Moon Glaive > Set 7 < Roadrunner > Predictions: + Show Spoiler + Turrets will be built, marines will be split, timing pushes will be executed, and drops will be enacted tonight. Results: + Show Spoiler + fOrGG < Roadrunner > Neo.G_Soulkey ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/544.jpg) fOrGG < New Tornado >  GuemChi ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/174.jpg) fOrGG < Judgment Day > ZerO![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/190.jpg) Luxury < Fighting Spirit > ZerO![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/140.jpg) Luxury < Match Point > Kwanro![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/153.jpg) FireFist < Neo Moon Glaive > Kwanro![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/424.jpg) Flash < Roadrunner > KwanrofOrGG > Neo.G_SoulkeyfOrGG > GuemChifOrGG < ZerOLuxury > ZerOLuxury < KwanroFireFist < KwanroFlash > KwanroKT Rolster 4-3 Woongjin Stars Recommended Games: + Show Spoiler [Spoiler-Free] + + Show Spoiler [Set 1] + It was good until the endgame. And then the loser failed to multitask. + Show Spoiler [Set 2] + Nice play by the winner. + Show Spoiler [Set 3] + Nice defense by the winner ends the game pretty quickly. + Show Spoiler [Set 4] + Very fast-paced game. Winner ends the game with good micro and a key snipe. + Show Spoiler [Set 5] + Zerglings are awesome! Good game, somewhat one-sided. Did I already say zerglings are awesome? + Show Spoiler [Set 6] + Nice gas miner snipes by the winner. The big battle is won pretty decisively and the game ends after that. + Show Spoiler [Set 7] + GAME OF THE NIGHT. GO. NOW. To summarize: winner comes out of the biggest build order disadvantage I've ever seen (partly due to loser's fail) with some great crisis management, tech switches like crazy, and then proceeds to lawl. Oh, and there are some pretty unorthodox units. Post your streams in the thread and I'll put them up here. How to watch: http://tv.zeroboy.net/mystlord | ||
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I see none of Woongjin can take out FlaSh beside ZerO but FvZ imba ... Free = useless vs FlaSh =)) lol | ||
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10-0 record will make antifans too butthurrrrr | ||
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Mystlord
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 )http://tv.zeroboy.net/mystlord | ||
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Flash all-kill please! EDIT: Until Flash has to focus on the individual leagues again, when I'll be cheering for the other KT players. | ||
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dukethegold
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or Zero ALL KILL!!! Flash is imba. All kill from him doesn't count. | ||
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On March 01 2010 17:51 MrHoon wrote: I want zero to all kill 10-0 record will make antifans too butthurrrrr your logo still says olleh KT but Flash will demolish anyone just like Jangbi and Stork *cough* Free and Gumechi | ||
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Soulkey gets nothingg | ||
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3 Hatch before pool | ||
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which is repelled by spore and hydra | ||
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He also saved both wraiths.. ForGG transitioning into bio already. 3 Ovies and 1 Drone is the tally. | ||
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Mystlord
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One wraith goes down, but well :/ God ForGG only built 3 wraiths and they're getting a ridiculous amount of ovies. | ||
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forgg continuing to snipe overlords with wraiths forgg doing an excellent job at microing wraiths against scourges | ||
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Forgg adding 2 rax, to a total of 6 | ||
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forgg fighting | ||
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Zona
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first defilers are out - no consume yet! | ||
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attack on 1 pushed back by swarm - but killing a decent number of zerg units - he's down to 1 tank now though | ||
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Mystlord
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Dividing Soulkey's forces up rather well  A single lurker holding SK's third... SK pushing in with more swarm and lings! Continuing to push up! Takes out all but 1 tank! Good play from Soulkey here. | ||
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Mystlord
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ling udner swarm.. ERASER FOR FORGG!! LURKS AT 9 GETTING PICKED OFF! | ||
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Zona
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a small mnm group kills a lot of unburrowed lurkers at 10 forgg's pushed into 1 - kills lots of drones - and the hatch | ||
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Mystlord
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ForGG's third forced to lift due to lings. | ||
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Zona
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but lots of things being irradiated | ||
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Mystlord
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SK needs vessel control with plague immediately. He's going ot get overrun purely by erasers soon enough. Really mediocre scourge control from SK. | ||
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loses another vessel pushing with mnmnf at 1 2 scourge fly right by a vessel another vessel scourged mnmnf killing 1 - no defense there | ||
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Zona
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lurker dropped at forgg's 7! | ||
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prototype.
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marines and firebats killing all the drones soulkey ggs | ||
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Mystlord
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Plague ont he vessels, but does it matter at this point? Dual drop in SK's main taking out everything. GG from SK. Wow ForGG showing solid Starcraft! Where was this guy after MSL? | ||
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RAX CC incoming!! | ||
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1 rax expo for forgg! | ||
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Vasoline73
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EDIT: Didn't notice the rax | ||
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Zona
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lol both playing so greedy | ||
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On March 01 2010 18:40 Vasoline73 wrote: Wow did ForGG just blind 14CC against protoss?! Nice EDIT: Didn't notice the rax The power of faith, my friend. EDIT: I didn't see if was a 14 cc, other people saying no. I don't know. | ||
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forgg can't be sure where the toss base is - but he probably knows it's at 3 he adds his first 2 factories and his nat gas | ||
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Mystlord
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Range goons incoming soon though... ForGG gets up the ramp that he was denied earlier annd... EMPTY MAIN! Hahaha suck it. Robo for Guemchi, probably for obs. Third gateway? Interesting. | ||
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Zona
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1 shop researching, another shop being constructed ebay going up 3rd gate being added | ||
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Zona
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forgg also adding a turret at the nat | ||
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4th gate is done observatory first | ||
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On March 01 2010 18:43 Mystlord wrote: Now we got 4 goons on the bunker trying to snipe it, SCVs repairing it, Hiya's first tank is out and siege mode is done, so Guemchi is driven back. huh? | ||
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2 factories being added (to 4) double vulture upgrades in progress archives warping in | ||
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On March 01 2010 18:44 moopie wrote: guemchizzle hwaiting Oh, it's not free? I just saw it was a toss. There's Guemchi's face. Fear the WL bonjwa. | ||
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Mystlord
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Don't tell me.. Bulldog? | ||
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Zona
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and observer watches as forgg starts his push so the goons back up a bit | ||
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Vasoline73
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Really laggy stream today  . | ||
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Zona
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guemchi has walled off 5 | ||
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On March 01 2010 18:46 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Oh, it's not free? I just saw it was a toss. There's Guemchi's face. Fear the WL bonjwa. nope, guemchi. free will likely come out later (unless if the bonjwa guemchi finishes KT off, lol) | ||
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Zona
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but forgg immediately scans and kills it tanks shelling the halfwall at guemchi's nat LOTS of tanks there | ||
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Mystlord
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Shuttle over those tanks makes ForGG pull back... Natural gas gets sniped! | ||
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guemchi loses his nat gas | ||
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On March 01 2010 18:47 Beachac wrote: why do the streams lag so much now? Sources are all kinds of fucked up lately. Though to be fair, it's usually like this with MBC. Or this that with just Afreeca in general? Ferron isn't good for jack shit lately, either. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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this sense of timing is just unreal. time attacker fighting! | ||
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Zona
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shuttle killed after dropping one? zealot - unsuccessful | ||
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Mystlord
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This counter is doing a fair bit of damage... GUEMCHI CHARGING WITH HIS ARMY!!! ZEALOTS ALL MELT! TOO MANY TANKS! Guemchi is in HUGE trouble now! | ||
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Zona
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a few tank kills, all the vultures killed - but a ton of zealots and goons lost and now more tanks move up to take the place of the lost ones first arbiter out | ||
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Mystlord
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Guemchi needed tons more Zealots with that army. His natural Nexus has been destroyed. What is Guemchi going to do now... | ||
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Mystlord
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On March 01 2010 18:50 SkelA wrote: how the hell you lose when you are on 6 gate all the time and terran is 4 fact Such is the power of Rax CC. Edit: I mean, Rax CC vs. 2 Gate robo expand. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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fOrGG all-kill please | ||
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Zona
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guemchi's 2 goons find forgg's 11 - but reinforcements are cleaning that up 7 vultures attacking the pylon wall at 5 - about to kill it guemchi in real trouble now | ||
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2 kills and counting! | ||
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Mystlord
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1 recall with an arb... 2nd arb gets picked off before it can do anything. ForGG looks poised to take this game since Guemchi is on 1 base.. GG from Guemchi! Waa no need for Flash tonight? | ||
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SkelA
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On March 01 2010 18:51 Mystlord wrote: ]Such is the power of Rax CC. Edit: I mean, Rax CC vs. 2 Gate robo expand. guemchi did 12 nexus there is no excuse for losin that | ||
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On March 01 2010 18:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh man. The idea of an in-form fOrGG/Flash terran duo is just so scary If ForGG is playing not bad -- not even amazingly, just not bad, then KT goes from #2/3 Terran line up to #1. Which is pretty nice. | ||
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On March 01 2010 18:55 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How much of this recent success goes to forgg and how much of it goes to the maps? Every terran is a bonjwa suddenly. only in proleague individual league is still the same as 3 seasons ago | ||
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Holgerius
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On March 01 2010 18:55 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How much of this recent success goes to forgg and how much of it goes to the maps? Every terran is a bonjwa suddenly. He raped in OSL as well. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
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Well he raped zergs in the OSL thus far, which is his best MU. I hope forgg is moderately back for real. It'll soften the damage from the horror of Luxury's play | ||
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Vasoline73
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On March 01 2010 19:00 Gao Xi wrote: KT is up 2-0 right? Yes | ||
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flamewheel
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Oh, and then the bunker falls when I go back. Lots of lings take out the bunker and three marines. | ||
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Mystlord
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LINGS TAKE IT DOWN!! ForGG bringing down reinforcements to drive Zero's lings back... | ||
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but Zero knows | ||
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Mystlord
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And 3 rax.. Cutting SCVs.. All in incoming from ForGG!! Zero does have... 5 sunks though... FORGG MOVING OUT! ZERO NOT MORPHING HIS SUNKS?? Oh there they go... 5 Sunks.. is it enough? | ||
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FORGG MOVES IN! SUNKS RAPES TONS OF RINES! FORGG FAILS THE BUST! GG FROM FORGG! | ||
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ForGG failed the push and GGs | ||
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Im glad Im a fan of zero lol | ||
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anch
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everyone know that was going to fail | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:16 Mystlord wrote: LUXURY FOR KT?? On March 01 2010 19:16 Vasoline73 wrote: Oh god it's Luxury On March 01 2010 19:16 Gao Xi wrote: Luxury Luxury Rules.. ya'll need to skate. | ||
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Holgerius
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ZvZ is lame. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
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On March 01 2010 19:17 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Oh God, no. I can't stand seeing Zero's sad face, but I can't handle Luxury fail either. What the hell do I do? Guess you'll have to watch Oz vs. ACE and just check the results of this later? | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:18 QuothTheRaven wrote: Guess you'll have to watch Oz vs. ACE and just check the results of this later? I never miss a ZvZ if Zero's in it. Zero's ZvZs are the most watchable in the game. | ||
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flamewheel
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Haha just kidding, good luck yo. | ||
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Mystlord
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On March 01 2010 19:17 Xtal wrote: Luxury Rules.. ya'll need to skate. 7 posts and using that? Come on man And Luxury is good at being one thing: Inconsistent. | ||
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Itachii
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On March 01 2010 19:17 Xtal wrote: Luxury Rules.. ya'll need to skate. get out | ||
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Biff The Understudy
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... Flash plz/ | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:20 Mystlord wrote: 7 posts and using that? Come on man And Luxury is good at being one thing: Inconsistent. But if you're inconsistent, are you then inconsistent on a consistent basis and therefore in reality very consistent? | ||
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prototype.
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ZerO @ top leftLuxury @ bottom right | ||
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QuothTheRaven
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And Luxury is good at being one thing: Inconsistent. Amen to that. Though it's great being a KT fan during those periods when he's on fire. | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:22 snowdrift86 wrote: Neither of these guys are very good at ZvZ anymore, so it could go either way. But Lux failed really hard in the MST against Modesty, so I'm thinking Zero should take it. If it was any other player this kind of argument (he sucked the other day in the same matchup, so he'll suck today) would work - but this is see-saw Luxury here. He changes form from day to day. | ||
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prosatan
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practice - violet | ||
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Edit: and now they just mirror build overgas. | ||
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how could they get 10 gas before the overlord spawns - silly me, must have miscounted | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:26 MountainDewJunkie wrote: LoL both players 0/4 with overlord scouting well, they are at cross positions Lux building a hatch in-base | ||
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Lux getting 2nd hatch | ||
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sees lux's spire, in-base hatch, everything | ||
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someone embarrassing their friend with a sign pointing at them in the audience zero's ling in the main finally killed | ||
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Including female-version clones. | ||
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zero taking his nat gas lux also has a lot of scourge - 6? | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:28 frog HERO wrote: rofl the girl looks like zero ROFL | ||
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Oh wait here Lux comes again with more lings to pressure the hatchery! Hatch goes down to mutas! | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:31 Blind wrote: fuck i hate zvz You must be BLIND. llllllllol. I had to ^^. Anyways, the question is, can KT go through WL with a flawless record? Has any team had a flawless round ever? | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:31 SilverskY wrote: Now, Free is gonna play and we're gonna see how horrifically bad Luxury's ZvP is. I'd send Kwanro. | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:33 Gao Xi wrote: KT got this, after Lux loses to whoever, someone whose name is not Flash will come out, and if they lose then Flash comes. =O Naah, Flash will come out in sixth set its Neo Moon Glaive | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:33 HopLight wrote: Naah, Flash will come out in sixth set its Neo Moon Glaive Hopefully we see Barracks or maybe Suny will get his first match for KT ^^ | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:33 HopLight wrote: Naah, Flash will come out in sixth set its Neo Moon Glaive I would rather send Flash out if it was a TvP on Road Runner rather then NMG | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:36 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Looks like Kwanro. Wow, Lux might actually get 2 wins! What's with the Lookforhitech hate? He's pretty decent at ZvZ, and far stronger than Lux overall. | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:38 Holgerius wrote: I'm confused here; doesn't Free play for Stars? If so, why don't they send him out at all? I tend to agree. Lux's ZvP is very bad right now, and free would have a shot vs Flash. At least a better shot than Kwanro. But Kwanro has the best ZvZ in the game right now, so it's not a terrible decision. | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:41 snowdrift86 wrote: What's with the Lookforhitech hate? He's pretty decent at ZvZ, and far stronger than Lux overall. Ehhh. I disagree, I think Luxury is better than Kwanro when he's playing well... which is never. So maybe you have a point. | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:38 Holgerius wrote: I'm confused here; doesn't Free play for Stars? If so, why don't they send him out at all? no one questions the coach's decision. | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:41 snowdrift86 wrote: What's with the Lookforhitech hate? He's pretty decent at ZvZ, and far stronger than Lux overall. Isn't Zero far stronger than Lux overall, and look what happened. Zero is OK at ZvZ also. | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:38 Holgerius wrote: I'm confused here; doesn't Free play for Stars? If so, why don't they send him out at all? Because he'll die to Hoejja. Kwanro has marginally better chances since he can always all-in versus Flash and has good ZvZ. | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:41 snowdrift86 wrote: What's with the Lookforhitech hate? He's pretty decent at ZvZ, and far stronger than Lux overall. I said might, I'm a Lux fan, after all. | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:42 Gao Xi wrote: Isn't Zero far stronger than Lux overall, and look what happened. Zero is OK at ZvZ also. Zero used to be strong at ZvZ, but not anymore. And a matchup where Kwanro can make lings to his heart's content is good for him. | ||
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On March 01 2010 19:44 snowdrift86 wrote: Zero used to be strong at ZvZ, but not anymore. And a matchup where Kwanro can make lings to his heart's content is good for him. nvm too much faith in Lux | ||
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Kwanro lost mining time and 1 Drone thar! Slow lings running towards Luxury's base! Sunken is up though! | ||
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SUNKEN SNIPED! Kwanro barely winning that with 4 lings! More lings incoming for him though! Looks like the natural hatchery is going to go down! | ||
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THIS IS BAD FOR LUX YES? The hatch falls! | ||
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Kwanro might end it here! Sunkens at EXTREMELY low health! Both go down!! Kwanro with still more lings! This looks over! | ||
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Color me confused. | ||
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GG from Luxury! | ||
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sense - yellow zerg at 8 | ||
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gogogo kwanro! | ||
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prepares to take his nat kwanro already taking his nat I missed the openings | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:02 QuothTheRaven wrote: Why not send Violet? He's major slumping? Not major, but you know. | ||
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Lair going up for Firefist, now going up for Kwanro. Kwanro's a bit behind... | ||
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both players starting their spires - sense's is a little earlier kwanro taking his nat gas sense with a sunken finished at his nat | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:02 QuothTheRaven wrote: Why not send Violet? stats, 815 anyone?Or just Flash to finish this even faster | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:05 LOLCAKE wrote: For god sake. Is there a better stream about? This mylords keeps lagging every 2 seconds. Your stay on TL will be brief. | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:05 LOLCAKE wrote: For god sake. Is there a better stream about? This mylords keeps lagging every 2 seconds. Awesome contribution. Brilliant first post. | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:05 LOLCAKE wrote: For god sake. Is there a better stream about? This mylords keeps lagging every 2 seconds. It isn't lagging for me at all. No need to act so entitled -__- He can't do anything about Afreeca buffering and those are the best streams currently available. | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:05 Jackal03 wrote: i wish KT sent stats Would have been nice, if only to avoid having to watch another ZvZ | ||
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kwanro with a bunch of lings streaming towards sense's nat | ||
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-.- great way to ruin a potentially good match | ||
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Hm dangerous Spire positioning from Kwanro. A single spore won't cover that... Kwanro getting his natural gas already. Firefist with a pretty good ling line at his natural... KWANRO MOVING IN WITH... .... Bringing lings down! Kwanro losing some lings unnecessarily... | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:06 Itachii wrote: stats, 815 anyone?Or just Flash to finish this even faster They want to win like an iPad, NO FLASH NEEDED. | ||
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but he pulls back sense has 3 mutas out - the lings run again | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:06 prosatan wrote: stream lagging bad for me same!! Terrible lag. | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:07 AltaiR_ wrote: They want to win like an iPad, NO FLASH NEEDED. hahaha | ||
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He's going in! Oh man. Loses all his lings, but snipes three drones on gas? | ||
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kwanro has some mutas - starts a creep colony at his nat sense with mutas and scourge and lings attacking kwanro's nat | ||
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Gets 3 drones, but all of his lings are down! This is the time for Firefist to counter!! Sunk going up, but it won't finish in time! Waaa poor micro by Firefist! He loses a scourge and the leftover lings. | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:07 AltaiR_ wrote: They want to win like an iPad, NO FLASH NEEDED. Pfft, who needs Flash anyways? | ||
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he moves out | ||
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SNIPES ANOTHER OVERLORD!! HERE WE GO!! No micro from Kwanro.. WTF?? FF LOSES ALL OF HIS MUTAS THOUGH!! GG FROM FF!!! | ||
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Barely any hit though. MUTA BATTLE GOING. KWANRO COMES OUT AHEAD. FIREFIST GGs. Okay Flash now. Please? | ||
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Kwanro going to pass out drinks... But I think that's free? Decides to rip the box out of Kwanro's hands to help. | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:11 snowdrift86 wrote: It was either getting KWANROLLED or FIREFISTED. The former sounds much more pleasant. Ow... Ow... I never want to hear the term 'firefisted' again. Ow... | ||
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Roll this newb Flash. | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:11 snowdrift86 wrote: It was either getting KWANROLLED or FIREFISTED. The former sounds much more pleasant. getting firefisted is really hard, seeing that gatored zerg kinda sucks | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:13 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Too bad Flash finally learned how to TvZ after Avalon. Kwanro's gonna need to go like... like... something crazy... finally learned to tvz? you gotta be kidding me | ||
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EDIT: Flash's TvZ weakness was also evident when he played Kwanro in the Nate MSL. It's too bad Kwanro didn't advantage of it. | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:13 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Too bad Flash finally learned how to TvZ after Avalon. Kwanro's gonna need to go like... like... something crazy... Lots of zerglings maybe? | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: finally learned to tvz? you gotta be kidding me vs Luxury EVER 2008 vs GGplay Incruit vs Kwanro Avalon vs Yarnc, Dong Bacchus '09 Yes, finally. Now zergs are like a free meal for him. But they weren't before. | ||
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Saying "HE FINALLY LEARNEDTO TVZ" is insinuating that his TvZ was bad or awful in the past which is fucking ridiculous lol He always considered TvZ his strongest matchup, it seemed weak in comparison to his TvP at the time but it was never bad saying "flash finally learned to play this matchup" is just ridiculous | ||
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his win on heartbreak ridge against Movie was very impressive | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He lost to zergs before but he also lost to terrans and protoss too Saying "HE FINALLY LEARNEDTO TVZ" is insinuating that his TvZ was bad or awful in the past which is fucking ridiculous lol His TvZ was a weakness in individual leagues and this season he's whooped the shit out of them. There was nothing wrong about what I said. Chillax. | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:19 White_Raven wrote: His TvPower is still somewhat lacking however You kidding me? Look at his reverse AK of SKT, to see the most recent. ...M18M doesn't count, either. | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:17 MountainDewJunkie wrote: vs Luxury EVER 2008 vs GGplay Incruit vs Kwanro Avalon vs Yarnc, Dong Bacchus '09 Yes, finally. Now zergs are like a free meal for him. But they weren't before. still, he lost to JD in msl finals on T favored maps, flash TvZ is one of the best out there, but still he will lose sometimes. Flash TvZ was never bad | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:21 Jackal03 wrote: still, he lost to JD in msl finals on T favored maps, flash TvZ is one of the best out there, but still he will lose sometimes. Flash TvZ was never bad Flash's TvZ is one of the best out there? who has tvz that is comparable to flash's right now. Everyone loses sometimes that doesn't mean anything. Flash's TvZ is the best, hands down. | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol what are you talking about have you seen him play recently? he has been smashing protoss in winners league and he JUST won the OSL against a protoss his win on heartbreak ridge against Movie was very impressive im pretty sure he meant TvPower (outage) | ||
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Luxury played EVER08 extremely well and played to Flash's weaknesses and his Troy build was the game of the tournament in many ways. GGPlay was very much a fluke on Plasma... I mean, look at his game on Loki II v Jaedong or Python vs GGPlay.. that's not a terran who doesn't know how to TvZ. EDIT: Not saying that you were literally saying Flash was bad, I'm just saying. ^^. | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Flash's TvZ is one of the best out there? who has tvz that is comparable to flash's right now. Everyone loses sometimes that doesn't mean anything. Flash's TvZ is the best, hands down. yeah, he is the best one today | ||
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'Nuff said. | ||
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Who am I kidding... | ||
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Kwanro throws down the 3rd hatchery before gas Zerglings out and moving toward Flash's base. | ||
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Now adding a Starport. Fast drop? Or just fast vessel build? | ||
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Mech? Mech? | ||
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Valks? Valks? Doesn't look like traditional mech, anywho. Kwanro trying to sneak in but Flash is like "no u." | ||
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Bold... This'll have to be perf - LOL FLASH GOT A VALK! | ||
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Hydra den down for Kwanro, skipping mutas altogether. Spire is a feint! Kwanro also taking a sneak 3rd! | ||
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This is going to be an interesting game. KWANRO NINJAS THIRD? | ||
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Flash pushing out with his Valkonic! SCOURGE GET BOTH VALKS!! | ||
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RUNS PAST THE BUNKER!!! FLASH'S NATURAL IS COMPROMISED! | ||
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............... WHAT THE HELL LURKERS? OH MAN OH MAN OH MAN. FLASH IN TROUBLE. FLASH IN TROUBLE. | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:33 LOLCAKE wrote: Wow low life cheese by kwanro What? Flash goes Valks. Kwanro goes Lurkers. Not cheese, by my book. Flash drops main! Dropship gets scourged, but drones are pwned. | ||
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Flash loading up a DROPSHIP? Is this smart?? Kwanro continuing to push in.. Kwanro's Lurks get cleaned up! DROP IN KWANRO'S MAIN! Drones flee! Scourge get the dropship! Flash is seriously low on units! Flash's drop lives for now! POOL GOES DOWN! | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:33 SuperArc wrote: You would think Flash has learned that he shouldnt copy other people's builds. He failed with mech a lot of times and now hes trying the oov build? as much as I hate to agree with SuperArc in general, he is right This is why flash fucking sucked last year; because he kept doing shit he sucked at. | ||
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Kwanro heading down there with defense now. | ||
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transitioning to mech | ||
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Adding 2 facts to get to 3 facts. | ||
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Oh man. Why is Flash. So. Sexy? Yes? | ||
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QuothTheRaven
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Flash lifting his barracks and committing to mech play! More factories coming down and a 3rd CC!!! | ||
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RowdierBob
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Such confidence in his game.. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33397 Posts
Valk M&M into mech switch | ||
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On March 01 2010 20:36 RowdierBob wrote: Flash looks like he's just making it up as he goes along. Such confidence in his game.. That's what Flash always does. He plays on his game sense not a cut and dry BO | ||
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nebffa
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Zona
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lurkerling approaching 10 flash's vulture potshot the new hatch at 1 | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:36 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Oh wow. Flash is still going to win? His perfect crisis management really paid off. | ||
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Mystlord
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Kwanro pushing into Flash's third! WOW SO LUCKY AGAINST THOSE MINES! He diffused literally every single one without failing! Kwanro taking 1, going to get shut down.. Or not. | ||
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Zona
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now a swarm placed flash clears the lurkers from 10 and land his cc again adds a 2nd armory and lays mines around 10 kwanro needs to mass expand! he takes 6 | ||
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Australia13008 Posts
I don't know if he can defend his way out of this one.. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33397 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's what Flash always does. He plays on his game sense not a cut and dry BO Midas did this like 2 days ago =o | ||
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QuothTheRaven
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On March 01 2010 20:38 prosatan wrote: One question: Mines work on under DarkSwarm ? Yes, they do. | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:38 prosatan wrote: One question: Mines work on under DarkSwarm ? yes, their splash works | ||
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Zona
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but a plague landed on them pure vultures kill the hatch | ||
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United States15034 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:38 RowdierBob wrote: Flash gotta get something going soon or Kwanro's eco will be too strong. I don't know if he can defend his way out of this one.. huh? kwanro is ahead by one mining base i think | ||
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RowdierBob
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Flash doing well at limiting Kwanro's eco with vults. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:38 nebffa wrote: does flash know about the hidden expo? A while ago Flash sent a small group of marines that got stopped by the stop-lurkers + lings, so I'd expect he knows about the hidden base at 5:00 | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash moving out with a mech army, but Kwanro sees it! Now he can adapt ez. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
But it is Flash.. | ||
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United States10341 Posts
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prosatan
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QuothTheRaven
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Flash is still showing incredible vulture and mine play. | ||
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United States33397 Posts
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NguN
Australia1322 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Vults at 6... Waa Ultras come in and rape those Vults! | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
kills 2 drones at 6 - ultras arrive and kill the vultures | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
GO COWS GO... Er I mean I root for Flash! | ||
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United States10341 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
Kwanro needs to choke epicly to lose here. | ||
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Australia43 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:40 Waxangel wrote: I dunno if ultra is ever the answer vs mech, I'd even prefer a surprise muta switch vs seeing ultras die to tanks and mines agreed don't think this is the right decision considering especially how much flash has been damaging his eco | ||
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Zona
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adding at cc in his main - looking to take 7 | ||
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he's not out of it yet. | ||
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United States15034 Posts
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flamewheel
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Cows run. Overlord drops two ultras in, but Flash remains on the attacks with new tanks coming in. | ||
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Zona
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but he also lost his ultras there 6 is gone vultures raid 1 and kill a ton of drones | ||
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flamewheel
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Two cows loaded and the rest run up ramp, but forces die. Flash continues to shell 6. | ||
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United States5524 Posts
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Australia43 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:42 prosatan wrote: Flash desperatly needs a forth base he seems to be doing quite fine without one lol. mines rape a zerg drop, with pretty explosions | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
I still say Kwanro's eco is way too strong though. | ||
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United States278 Posts
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Zona
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vultures raid the new hatch at 3 - but there's no drones there vultures lay mines - ultras taking a lot of htis | ||
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QuothTheRaven
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Zona
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ultra drop at 10 - but tanks and mines killing a lot of them | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
No hydra/muta/guard vs tanks and vults =/ | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Though mines rape through some cows at 3. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
10 is forced to lift kwanro losing a lot of ol's at 7 | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:43 Itachii wrote: No matter at what tech stage you are and how many running bases you got - when Flash has 3 you are fucked. And when Flash has 4, you're really fucked. | ||
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flamewheel
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Yet Kwanro persists. Bam bam bam and cows go down. | ||
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freelander
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prototype.
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nebffa
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United States278 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:45 MountainDewJunkie wrote: So is Flash losing or not? I can't keep up with this at all lol He was, and now he's probably ahead. nvm just killed 8 ultras with mines | ||
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Australia43 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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clearing a huge mienfield wtih Ultralisks WTF | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
more ultras attacking through the middle of the map | ||
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United States10341 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
No mines needed yo. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:43 Itachii wrote: No matter at what tech stage you are and how many running bases you got - when Flash has 3 you are fucked. lmao classic quote | ||
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Australia13008 Posts
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NguN
Australia1322 Posts
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Zona
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c'mon kwanro, pull yourself together! | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
He's trying to defend and amass while Kwanro throws units away. Kwanro is obliging. | ||
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United States33397 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:46 NguN wrote: WHERE ARE THE DAMN HYDRAS? This is frustrating to watch... ................................................................... why the fuck would you make hydras versus a tank-heavy terran? hydras are WORSE than ultras vs mech | ||
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QM
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
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when he drops they immediately become blood | ||
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Austria7781 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:47 Chen wrote: ................................................................... why the fuck would you make hydras versus a tank-heavy terran? hydras are WORSE than ultras vs mech No, hydras are cheaper so you can make more of them --> many will get past mech defense | ||
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MrHoon
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
That could break Flash's resistance. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
wtf wtf wtf | ||
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LOLCAKE
Australia43 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
by Han Song Bong | ||
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United States33397 Posts
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United States6344 Posts
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How To Lose Ultralisks For Dummies by Han Song Bong haha | ||
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Australia13008 Posts
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United States15034 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
2 more ultralisks dropped at 10 to eat more mine and tank hits a big drop at 10 - killing scv's! | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:48 SuperArc wrote: No, hydras are cheaper so you can make more of them --> many will get past mech defense Also tanks are almost guaranteed to get their full damage off on ultralisks, while they effectively get less out of their shots on hydras since they have less HP (and thus waste more of their shots). Also hydras are much better against mines than ultralisks. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:48 SuperArc wrote: No, hydras are cheaper so you can make more of them --> many will get past mech defense but they all die before they get to the tanks..... at least with ultras you can drop them directly on top of the tanks and do something that way QUEENS OUT FOR KWANRO | ||
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MrHoon
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kwanro tries a new tactic - builds 5 queens | ||
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United States10341 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
WHAT ARE YOU, ZERO? | ||
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moopie
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Zona
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oh, there's like 10 or more queens, not 5 | ||
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Australia43 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
must... resist... liking him :-p | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
flash has like 2 goliaths - why can't you see what you need to do? | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
I sense a drop coming. And queens. Did we mention queens? | ||
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moopie
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
just wow lol | ||
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United States10341 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:50 LOLCAKE wrote: Man this is bullcrap. noob cheese by kwanro. For quick game end with lurkers. Its a miracle Flash survived this long. Just stop already. Going lurkers is not "noob cheese"; if it was so effective it was because Flash fucked around with valks. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
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but a few queens lost and now flash adding goliaths to his army good job - now terran will be invincible flash attacking 4 | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Let's see you queen this, Kwanro. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
FFS Kwanro sucks =/ | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:52 snowdrift86 wrote: Just stop already. Going lurkers is not "noob cheese"; if it was so effective it was because Flash fucked around with valks. Not only that, he had the cleverness to throw down a spire at the normal timing and in the normal position, and ALSO to make 4 scourge to deal with the valks. | ||
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NguN
Australia1322 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:49 Chen wrote: but they all die before they get to the tanks..... at least with ultras you can drop them directly on top of the tanks and do something that way QUEENS OUT FOR KWANRO If he dropped hydras onto the tanks rather then ultras he'd probably get better results. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
kwanro drops ultras to defend - but flash's army so strong | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
Omg... | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
MINES CONTINUE TO RAPE THE ULTRAS. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
He seems to think pure ultra is the answer.. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
perhaps 80 or more all game | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
flash is ridiculous | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
so disappointing | ||
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United States15034 Posts
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raga4ka
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Australia13008 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How To Lose Ultralisks For Dummies by Han Song Bong also How not to play vs mech part a million by Day9 | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Queen fleet moving toward 3 lololol. Conclusion: mass broodling is pretty inefficient. | ||
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Australia43 Posts
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Zona
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On March 01 2010 20:54 freelander wrote: LOL BEST TVZ OF ALL TIME Along these lines, it's the worst ZvT of all time | ||
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
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Germany10157 Posts
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Australia43 Posts
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Vietnam69 Posts
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MrHoon
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On March 01 2010 20:55 LOLCAKE wrote: DIE KWANROOOOOO U NOOB CHEESER DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE no need to be so bm jeezes man | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
Mass ultras vs Mech Broodlings instead of mutas. No worse player alive. Ahead 7 bases to 3. No worse player alive. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
Not to be overly harsh on Kwanro, but damn... | ||
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United States5524 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
in a tvz in a mech where he lost his nat to lurker all in where at one point kwanro was like 7 bases to 2 | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:55 LOLCAKE wrote: DIE KWANROOOOOO U NOOB CHEESER DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Can you stop already, please? Diss the game, not the gamers. | ||
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Romania8078 Posts
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:55 LOLCAKE wrote: DIE kwanro you noob CHeeser die MUAHAHAHAHAH Wow you really like Flash huh! | ||
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United States33397 Posts
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Bulgaria5679 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Kwanro. Just give up? It was entertaining. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: flash is ahead in mining bases now in a tvz in a mech where he lost his nat to lurker all in where at one point kwanro was like 7 bases to 2 Flash is just on a whole nother level where the standard rules of normal play just don't apply. | ||
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QM
Vietnam69 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
MINES AND TANKS TAKE OUT ULTRAS AT 3! | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
FFS. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:57 QM wrote: some flash fanboy goin to say sth imba ,totally bullshit Kwanro's stupidness imba. :p | ||
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United States7801 Posts
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Australia43 Posts
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:55 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Ahead 7 bases to 3. That is not true, he never had 7 saturated bases. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
14 kill lurkers, all workers | ||
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Poland12466 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
Worst choke in a long, long time. | ||
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Romania8078 Posts
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snowdrift
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Vietnam9021 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
14 KILL LURK AT 6!!! OMG KWANRO LOADED UP! Let his OL sit there! Loses one! Attampted drop fails! | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Just look at the map. Overlords are getting pwned by goliaths. | ||
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United States15034 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/KwanroMineSweeper.jpg) | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:59 Hot_Bid wrote: LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:59 Hot_Bid wrote: LOL | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
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Australia13008 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8078 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:57 Nemesis wrote: This is how you lose against mech This is how you won with mech | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:59 Hot_Bid wrote: ROFLLLL | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:59 Hot_Bid wrote: lolololololololololol | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
KWANRO TRYING TO DROP! MINES RAPE THOSE DROPPED UNITS!!! | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
hot_bid | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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United States10341 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:59 Hot_Bid wrote: THIS MADE MY NIGHT. | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:59 Hot_Bid wrote: Rofl that's good. FLASH SMILING LOOL!!! | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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prosatan
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I LOVE YOU MAN | ||
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RowdierBob
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Well he should,, GG immminent now. | ||
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snowdrift
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On March 01 2010 20:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Kwanro it's over bro you can leave the game now. Thing is when you're still pumping out ultras you're not going to gg like that. Plus, his crap macro means he prolly has a ton of minerals saved up. | ||
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On March 01 2010 21:01 LOLCAKE wrote: Bahahah Cheeser down. Shut up will you? Your entire post history is this crap. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
This is embarrassing. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
loooooooooooooooooooooooool hot_bid youre a genius | ||
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Australia43 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:03 Zona wrote: Shut up will you? Your entire post history is this crap. don't feed the troll | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
This is what we want with SC2; a matchup as beautiful as TvZ. Great game | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Kwanro with one last attempt to save it.. Shut down easily. Kwanro still refusing to GG. Kwanro looking so disappointed... | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:03 Klive5ive wrote: Are you watching Blizzard, are you watching? This is what we want with SC2; a matchup as beautiful as TvZ. Great game Amen. Funny as hell. Game of the night, anybody? | ||
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Mystlord
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Refusing to GG still... GG FROM KWANRO!!!! WAAAA!! FLASH RUNS OUT TO HIGH FIVE!! | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Fuck yeah Flash. | ||
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kyzers0ze
Singapore1073 Posts
Team Liquid is currently unavailable due to a server problem. We'll be back soon! | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
Can't believe Flash almost lost that game. Must suck to be a Stars fan watching this series | ||
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OF ALL TIME. | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
Next game Flash could try like double expand before barracks or something like that. | ||
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Canada6172 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
Kwanro should hand in his progaming license! | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
Especially while knowing that Kwanro had tones of money in the bank and a huuuge economy and could have gone for muta at any moment and pwn Flash really hard. I mean... 24 mutas and the game was over. But no, queen cows ftw. Oh god. | ||
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
but KT cut it pretty close. relying on zergs to eliminate the other teams zergs will always be a risky venture, and i wished they wouldve had either stats or violet practice PvZ for this match so that it didnt come so close | ||
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United States7222 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
I love how Flash can get off to the most awful starts and then come back through his near-perfect defense and macro. Plus, Kwanro was terrible, of course. | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
Oh my god that has to be the funniest game I've ever seen | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:07 Vedic wrote: All that, and not a single vessel was made by Flash. Holy nuts, that's true. Ffffffffffffffffffffff why is Flash so epic? | ||
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
wouldn't help | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
Mass muta, mass guards, hydra/ling/lurk/defilers. Instead he decided to drip feed ultras to Flash's vultures and siege tanks... So bad. | ||
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
"And Kwanro is going mass infestors, why, why??" | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
And don't forget the early Valkyries lololololol! ^^ | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:08 MrHoon wrote: I was laughing throughout the whole game Oh my god that has to be the funniest game I've ever seen i lold so hard when he lsot like 20 ultras to mines i thought i had fallen asleep and was dreaming or something | ||
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Fx_
503 Posts
kwanroFreak! so many time i told u DON'T EVEN TRY TO ARGUE THIS ONE. | ||
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composition
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THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:07 okum wrote: This game can only be described as unnecessarily exciting. I love how Flash can get off to the most awful starts and then come back through his near-perfect defense and macro. Plus, Kwanro was terrible, of course. That pretty much summarizes this game perfectly. Flash's just refuses to die and hangs in there until he overcomes his opponent. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Zergs need to apply for permits to use queens in the pro scene. Kwanro used a ton of overlords and queens but he didn't upgrade air carapace .... | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:08 snowdrift86 wrote: I can see the equivalent in SC2 already... "And Kwanro is going mass infestors, why, why??" Actually apparently infestors are pretty fun now to use, from what I've seen/read... Then again, it's Kwanro. I still say he'll keep to massing zerglings. | ||
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POWEROUTAGE
Singapore884 Posts
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
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10183 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:09 composition wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/10006_Flash_vs_GGPlay THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT seriously, it's like GGplay was the only zerg who ever figured Flash out | ||
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Fx_
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On March 01 2010 20:51 RowdierBob wrote: Just make like 12 guards and win =/ YES did it next time U are bonjwa LOL | ||
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
He had the economy to support hydra/muta and ultra/ling tech switches. If he had used his brain he would've realised a muta/hydra switch would own Flash's army composition. Kwanro is soo bad. | ||
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United States33397 Posts
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:08 flamewheel91 wrote: Holy nuts, that's true. Ffffffffffffffffffffff why is Flash so epic? yep, he didnt start the mech till pretty late because of the unexpected lurkers so he had to conserve as much gas as possible, evidently doing this by cutting vessels + irradiate, and also the goliaths that would be needed to protect the vessels from scourge. it makes it even more impressive that he was able to win | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
Kwanro must feel so damn stupied when he watch this replay. I wonder how he will explain this? | ||
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Gorgy
Chile65 Posts
kwanro regrettably... you suck. | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:11 purpose wrote: To be honest here, if a retard would have played instead of Kwanro, Flash would have lost this game after that start. Kwanro must feel so damn stupied when he watch this replay. I wonder how he will explain this? OMG Kwanro had lurkers in Flash's main! And he let the game slip like this? It's like the game vs. FBH all over again. | ||
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
//e : and i never saw flash so out of breath, when he laughed at the end he was also very exhausted. that was some serious multitasking by both of them. | ||
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United States10341 Posts
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Jesus, Flash. | ||
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Macedonia13032 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:10 Highways wrote: Kwanro is one of the worst progamers ever. He had the economy to support hydra/muta and ultra/ling tech switches. If he had used his brain he would've realised a muta/hydra switch would own Flash's army composition. Kwanro is soo bad. I wouldn't go this far, but his situational smarts aren't very good. It really looked like he had never played vs mech before watching this game (which obv isn't true). Not a single muta or hydra. Not one. Kwanro's alright, but he isn't a high IQ BWer! | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
and the fast valks wins! | ||
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Fx_
503 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:55 LOLCAKE wrote: DIE KWANROOOOOO U NOOB CHEESER DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE yeaaaaaaaaaa man HE MUST DIE | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:13 SkelA wrote: kwanro had the eco to make like 40 muta in 3 min and he didnt ...can we put this the most epic fail in the history of sc??? I don't think there's any question. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
I don't even think he believed he could have won the game from where he was. | ||
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Australia3596 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Immediately pulled back SCVs and lifts CC, not even a millisecond hesitation, pristine micro with his tank and SCV clears out lurkers before they can take out a barracks and he doesn't hesitate to counter drop, he just automatically responds with a counterdrop that force kwanro to pull out drones and takes out the spawning pool that was very impressive | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:15 RowdierBob wrote: The best part was at the end where Flash was literally laughing at Kwanro. I don't even think he believed he could have won the game from where he was. Flash just ran out to hi5 his team ^^ Can't wait for the interview | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
He got lucky this time because his opponent was a retard, but against JD or someone competent he would've been crushed in that game. So please Flash, stick to MnM. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:16 J1.au wrote: You guys assume that Flash wouldn't know how to counter a tech switch by Kwanro. Of course he knows how to deal with it, but with Kwanro's superior eco mass hydra/muta would have been prety much unstoppable. Kwanro could continue reinforcing while constantly reinforcing Ultras is a lot more difficult not to mention hydra/muta is a lot better against Flash's army compsotion in general especially when you have that much production power | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:16 J1.au wrote: You guys assume that Flash wouldn't know how to counter a tech switch by Kwanro. I don't think you understand. You're up 4 bases, there's spider mines everywhere... Upgrade air carapace and make like even 24 mutas instead of 99 ultras and he woulda had that shit, but that's why he's Kwanro, and the other guy is Flash. | ||
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SubtleArt
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. What exactly happened? A zerg not named JAedong actually had a chance to beat Flash? | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13008 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:16 J1.au wrote: You guys assume that Flash wouldn't know how to counter a tech switch by Kwanro. It would've been really hard for Flash if Kwanro went mutas. He had no vessels, valks and smallish number of gols. They def would've given Kwanro the ability to stretch Flash's defenses and break him much easier. Instead he lost epic amounts of ultras to vults, mines and set-up siege tanks. Just awful. | ||
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Fx_
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On March 01 2010 20:59 Hot_Bid wrote: this picture make me lol so much +9999999 | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
(since wax is here I will say I gathered this from Fomos :D) Netizen lol that was just sick Netizen so inhuman Netizen lol only Flash can do this Netizen Kwanro needs to stick to all ins Netizen I joined Kwanro's fan cafe because he was so anal about it and today I'm going to leave his cafe. Netizen heater isn't bonjwa anymore Netizen The first true OME (OME = Oh my eyes, which is a way Koreans describe terrible games) Netizen Mines are the true victor of this game Netizen Mines probably have like 300 ultra kills Netizen As a zerg fan watching Flash win made me puke in my mouth but god fucking damn kwanro you fucking suck ass Netizen plz retire kwanro Netizen only flash can pull this off Netizen OME game in a decade Netizen MY EYES ARE ROTTING Netizen AHHHHH MY EYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Netizen lolmines Netizen I almost died laughing Netizen watching this live made me believe that flash should take a drug test Netizen Ultraqueens, so revolutionary Netizen ULTRALISKSSS Netizen OH MY EYESSSSSSSSSSSSS Netizen As a woongjin fan I want flash to die Netizen Speechless Netizen bonjwa feelings from flash Netizen This is why GGplay and Jaedong are respected; they are the only ones who can kill Flash Netizen MY EYES ARE BLEEDING AHHHHHHHH | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:21 MrHoon wrote: Return of Netizen comments (since wax is here I will say I gathered this from Fomos :D) Netizen lol that was just sick Netizen so inhuman Netizen lol only Flash can do this Netizen Kwanro needs to stick to all ins Netizen I joined Kwanro's fan cafe because he was so anal about it and today I'm going to leave his cafe. Netizen heater isn't bonjwa anymore Netizen The first true OME (OME = Oh my eyes, which is a way Koreans describe terrible games) Netizen Mines are the true victor of this game Netizen Mines probably have like 300 ultra kills Netizen As a zerg fan watching Flash win made me puke in my mouth but god fucking damn kwanro you fucking suck ass Netizen plz retire kwanro Netizen only flash can pull this off Netizen OME game in a decade Netizen MY EYES ARE ROTTING Netizen AHHHHH MY EYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Netizen lolmines Netizen I almost died laughing Netizen watching this live made me believe that flash should take a drug test Netizen Ultraqueens, so revolutionary Netizen ULTRALISKSSS Netizen OH MY EYESSSSSSSSSSSSS Netizen As a woongjin fan I want flash to die Netizen Speechless Netizen bonjwa feelings from flash Netizen This is why GGplay and Jaedong are respected; they are the only ones who can kill Flash Netizen MY EYES ARE BLEEDING AHHHHHHHH LOL | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Roflllllllllllll. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
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Fx_
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On March 01 2010 21:01 Zona wrote: No, despite Flash's skill that game, it wasn't his win, it was an idiotic loss by Kwanro. if kwanro switched to hydra/muta I think FlaSh would have found a best answer | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
Netizen Ultraqueens, so revolutionary Deserves a shrine. | ||
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Of course he knows how to deal with it, but with Kwanro's superior eco mass hydra/muta would have been prety much unstoppable. Kwanro could continue reinforcing while constantly reinforcing Ultras is a lot more difficult not to mention hydra/muta is a lot better against Flash's army compsotion in general especially when you have that much production power seemed to me that Kwanro was behind economically the entire game. he tried to win the game with his initial lurkers and Flash did a drop in his main, killing pool. its a big loss right there and flash macro is always perfect. he only had to lift his CC for < 1 minute, no damage at all. and he only did like 2 valks, which is not so bad to his economy. going hydras when your enemy is full of tanks and vulture mines is not good at all. maybe all muta could work, but hydras would be melted. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
Anyways, what's most impressive to me is how badly Flash's opening got blind countered and he still won with clutch decision making. I think alot of people miss that | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:23 Fx_ wrote: if kwanro switched to hydra/muta I think FlaSh would have found a best answer you cant find an answer when you are mass tank vult and out of nowhere 30 muta come in and rape your ass | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:26 ilbh wrote: seemed to me that Kwanro was behind economically the entire game. he tried to win the game with his initial lurkers and Flash did a drop in his main, killing pool. its a big loss right there and flash macro is always perfect. he only had to lift his CC for < 1 minute, no damage at all. and he only did like 2 valks, which is not so bad to his economy. going hydras when your enemy is full of tanks and vulture mines is not good at all. maybe all muta could work, but hydras would be melted. did you miss the part where kwanro was ahead by abotu 4-5 bases for the better part of the midgame? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:27 Vasoline73 wrote: Honestly, a muta switch would have helped alot but I don't know if Kwanro was winning that game. Flash had great upgrades and could easily just start pumping golaiths. It's not like he didn't have turrets all around his 6 o clock bases... Anyways, what's most impressive to me is how badly Flash's opening got blind countered and he still won with clutch decision making. I think alot of people miss that Kwanro had the production power of 6 mining bases, Flash had the power of 2. If Kwanro did the muta switch Flash wouldn't have gotten his third up nearly as easily. | ||
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:16 Holgerius wrote: I hope Flash never ever goes for some stupid Fantasy-style build again (Valks vs Lurkers). He got lucky this time because his opponent was a retard, but against JD or someone competent he would've been crushed in that game. So please Flash, stick to MnM.flash knows his opponent well enough to know when to do fun builds | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Kwanro had the production power of 6 mining bases, Flash had the power of 2. If Kwanro did the muta switch Flash wouldn't have gotten his third up nearly as easily. I don't understand at what point of the game this occurred... Flash got his third up when Kwanro was on 4 bases. There was time for a muta switch in there somewhere, but people calling for it once Flash took 6 o clock are underestimating how quickly you can pump goliaths and turrets | ||
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United States614 Posts
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Fx_
503 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:21 MrHoon wrote: Return of Netizen comments (since wax is here I will say I gathered this from Fomos :D) Netizen lol that was just sick Netizen so inhuman Netizen lol only Flash can do this Netizen Kwanro needs to stick to all ins Netizen I joined Kwanro's fan cafe because he was so anal about it and today I'm going to leave his cafe. Netizen heater isn't bonjwa anymore Netizen The first true OME (OME = Oh my eyes, which is a way Koreans describe terrible games) Netizen Mines are the true victor of this game Netizen Mines probably have like 300 ultra kills Netizen As a zerg fan watching Flash win made me puke in my mouth but god fucking damn kwanro you fucking suck ass Netizen plz retire kwanro Netizen only flash can pull this off Netizen OME game in a decade Netizen MY EYES ARE ROTTING Netizen AHHHHH MY EYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Netizen lolmines Netizen I almost died laughing Netizen watching this live made me believe that flash should take a drug test Netizen Ultraqueens, so revolutionary Netizen ULTRALISKSSS Netizen OH MY EYESSSSSSSSSSSSS Netizen As a woongjin fan I want flash to die Netizen Speechless Netizen bonjwa feelings from flash Netizen This is why GGplay and Jaedong are respected; they are the only ones who can kill Flash Netizen MY EYES ARE BLEEDING AHHHHHHHH ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
I could sum up the game this way: Flash + terran = mega imba. ㅜㅜ | ||
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Fx_
503 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:29 SkelA wrote: you cant find an answer when you are mass tank vult and out of nowhere 30 muta come in and rape your ass THX for your comment, gosu | ||
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:36 Vasoline73 wrote: I don't understand at what point of the game this occurred... Flash got his third up when Kwanro was on 4 bases. There was time for a muta switch in there somewhere, but people calling for it once Flash took 6 o clock are underestimating how quickly you can pump goliaths and turrets cause it didnt, the base difference was never THAT significant. at points it was pretty difficult, i think 3base vs 6base. we need to take into account flash's extremely efficient vulture harass. mutas probably couldve done a fair bit of damage, but exaggerating how many bases kwanro was ahead by doesnt help the credibility of an argument for them | ||
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:27 Vasoline73 wrote: Honestly, a muta switch would have helped alot but I don't know if Kwanro was winning that game. Flash had great upgrades and could easily just start pumping golaiths. It's not like he didn't have turrets all around his 6 o clock bases... Jaedong is able to kill massive Terran mech balls with hydra/muta on 3 bases. Kwanro on 5+ bases should've completely owned Flash, if he played half smart. | ||
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
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POWEROUTAGE
Singapore884 Posts
THIS IS HILARIOUS! | ||
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Titanidis
Greece132 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:29 SkelA wrote: you cant find an answer when you are mass tank vult and out of nowhere 30 muta come in and rape your ass obviously flash was scanning (and at the start he was rax scouting) | ||
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Gorgy
Chile65 Posts
On March 01 2010 20:59 Hot_Bid wrote: +9999999999999999999 | ||
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Sweden31 Posts
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Protocon
United States255 Posts
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Fx_
503 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:48 Titanidis wrote: obviously flash was scanning (and at the start he was rax scouting) thx man and moreover 2 rax scouting over 2 zerg's base | ||
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Sweden16951 Posts
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United States10341 Posts
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Macedonia13032 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
That said, it shouldn't have mattered if he saw a muta switch. 5 base Mutas should run over any army Flash could make out of 2 base. | ||
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Macedonia13032 Posts
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:57 TwoToneTerran wrote: Flash had 2 rax around Kwanro's Nat and Main for most of the midgame. He would've seen a muta switch. That said, it shouldn't have mattered if he saw a muta switch. 5 base Mutas should run over any army Flash could make out of 2 base. When Kwanro had 5 saturated bases to 2 bases of Flash? Muta seem obvious but you are exaggerating Kwanro eco. | ||
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
On March 01 2010 22:01 Polis wrote: When Kwanro had 5 saturated bases to 2 bases of Flash? Muta seem obvious but you are exaggerating Kwanro eco. i would not say saturated BUT kwanro tech switching muta will definitely cause irreversible damage to flash | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On March 01 2010 22:01 Polis wrote: When Kwanro had 5 saturated bases to 2 bases of Flash? Muta seem obvious but you are exaggerating Kwanro eco. Only 3 bases were well saturated but to mass up mutas you just need extra geysers. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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United States138 Posts
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Sweden16951 Posts
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On March 01 2010 22:03 lavion wrote: i would not say saturated BUT kwanro tech switching muta will definitely cause irreversible damage to flash I agree that muta was obvious choice for Kwanro, but that is not a reason to say that Kwanro eco advantage was bigger then it was. | ||
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Etopen
United States138 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:43 Highways wrote: Jaedong is able to kill massive Terran mech balls with hydra/muta on 3 bases. Kwanro on 5+ bases should've completely owned Flash, if he played half smart. Is this the same Jaedong that lost to Flash on katrina when he goes mech? | ||
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
On March 01 2010 22:12 Etopen wrote: Is this the same Jaedong that lost to Flash on katrina when he goes mech? That game was ages ago, before mech started to take off. This game shows the most effective way of dealing with mech: | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + What just happened in ace vs Oz | ||
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Netherlands1958 Posts
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SturmAddict
Malaysia176 Posts
He was 3 base vs 4 (with one base being harrassed by vults) and 3 base vs 6 unsaturated base, however at this point, flash had a large army of tank and vultures. Flash also had lifted buildings and scans at this point. Im pretty sure someone of flash caliber would know if kwanro was saving up larvae and resources for muta's. and if its less then 10 muta's, flash has 7 factories and he can mass up critical golliaths in 1 minute . if kwanro had switched to muta and stopped his ground army, vultures would just roll all his expansions and flash would easily reverse the situation (and do note, even with a ground army, vultures rolled almost every single zerg expansion in this game) | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:54 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Be reasonable, Flash fans. That was 49% Flash being Flash, and 6,000% Kwanro being retarded. From the halfway point on, yes. I was cringing when Kwanro a-moved 10 ultras from his natural rally point to Flash's 9 o clock and only two got there because all the others got killed by mines. That was ridiculously bad and hilarious at the same time. On March 01 2010 21:43 Highways wrote: Jaedong is able to kill massive Terran mech balls with hydra/muta on 3 bases. Kwanro on 5+ bases should've completely owned Flash, if he played half smart. I think you underestimate how well Jaedong controls the game flow up to the point of crushing the terran army. He makes it look easy by controlling the game flow. Kwanro on the other hand got dropped, lost some drones/ his pool and then was facing a 3 base terran who tech switched with only 4 bases for himself. Kwanro definitely didn't have 6 bases until Flash was starting to mine 6 o clock (his 4th) at which point he began shelling Kwanro's 6 o clock natural expansion from the high ground. I dont doubt that Kwanro could have played better but it's not like you can just say "Jaedong would have xyz here" and expect it to be the same for Kwanro. Jaedong would have ended the game with the lurkers. JD wouldn't have let Flash set up a third, and probably wouldn't even have gotten dropped. Kwanro just showed no control over the flow of the game. His opportunity to muta switch was way smaller than it's being made out to be. On March 01 2010 22:00 SkelA wrote: yea even if he saw the muta he had no vessels to counter mutas and 5 gas muta can rape turrets/goliaths preety easy Yeah but he didn't have 5 gas until Flash took 6 o clock which is what people aren't getting. Once Flash has 4 bases and upgraded mech mutas don't just rape everything. In order for a muta switch to work it would have had to have been like, right as Flash lifted his barracks imo. He would have had to have started air upgrades, and constantly switch between hydra and muta to chip away at Flash's army, third base and economy. It would have had to have been contant pressure while expanding himself and preventing any sort of 4th base or push. Even then it would have been a long game (though Kwanro would likely win) If he tried switching after that timing window Kwanro would be fighting 2-1 golaiths and infinite spammed turrents, as Flash took his 4th, with 0-0 muta and some ultras that he would have already made at that point. I'll say it again, I'm pretty sure Kwanro wasn't on 5 gas until Flash had started to set up 6 o clock... | ||
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Emon_
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okum
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
and if I don't watch now, I won't be able to watch until a lot later today. | ||
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LunarDestiny
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Tragic
Canada8 Posts
On March 01 2010 22:06 Etopen wrote: wow to everyone exaggerating about Kwanro economy, you guys should reread the thread since flash and kwanro begins. Flash had his 3rd setup when kwanro was getting a 4th and also killed kwanro's 4th hatch with vultures, even if your memory isn't good then the thread could be a reference. The "Hatchery Constrained Rule": Economy is constrained by hatcheries, not by minerals. Kwanro was 'decently' ahead through early-mid game. Losing the two valkyries, forcing Flash to transfer all the scv’s, putting the T back on 1 base mineral and GAS. The reason why GAS is a huge factor in this situation is because of how Flash chose to spend his initial gas=2 valkyries which killed 1 ovie, thus delaying science vessel production, upgrades, etc etc etc… and realistically making tech (mech) switching harder to pull off. Here I will not even consider the units Flash lost in the process. Now ask yourself was Kwanro ahead? At their programming level, the Zerg at a pretty GOOD favor, and shortly after the lurkers died off we already see hive finishing and the defiler mount building, and not a single science vessel yet. I even question if the science facility was even done, didn’t notice it during the game. Do not be blinded, just because he’s Flash, Kwanro should have had the game in the bag. Flash won, mainly because of Kwanro bad unit composition, suiciding units to mines, and unsaturated bases, and being overly aggressive. Another thing that was ridiculously stupid was people saying that if Kwanro tech switched, it wouldn’t matter because “if Flash saw mutas, within 1 minute Flash would have had 900 Goliaths and just anal rape Kwanro”. The reason why this logic is so utterly retarded is because first off Muta’s are one the key units in beating Mech. In this situation, there was a WINDOW, where if Kwanro tech switched, it would have done decent damage to Flash. Last time I checked, tanks and vultures do not do damage to Mutas. With proper muta control, Flash’s army will be trimmed down, forcing Flash to move back and more turrets, + giving Kwanro more map control before Flash goliath’s count mass up. In SC, you constantly make units that counter to your opponents units. Let’s put the previously retarded logic into play. I’m playing Terran, and I see 24 lings coming right into my base. (Lets just consider unit composition, no time for bunker or scv block or w.e.) I DO NOT want to make firebats because I know mutas will be coming shortly. Another example is, I’m playing Protoss, and I see lurkers, I do not want to make dragoons because ‘within 1 minute’ I’ll be anal raped by a group of hydra’s and lings. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On March 02 2010 00:40 Djabanete wrote: Are the vods up on wfbrood yet? Can't find them ... and if I don't watch now, I won't be able to watch until a lot later today. http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/SPL2010/movie_45905.html | ||
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Kyuukyuu
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Lebesgue
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On March 01 2010 21:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Flash's response to the lurker all-in was almost as beautiful as his defense against Mind's vultures on Othello Immediately pulled back SCVs and lifts CC, not even a millisecond hesitation, pristine micro with his tank and SCV clears out lurkers before they can take out a barracks and he doesn't hesitate to counter drop, he just automatically responds with a counterdrop that force kwanro to pull out drones and takes out the spawning pool that was very impressive Yeap, that was just a beautiful defence. And when I saw this counter drop coming my jaw dropped to the floor. Incredible game sense and understanding of the game. Maybe the rest of the game was lacking from Kwanro but this game is worth watching just for that moment. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On March 02 2010 00:40 Djabanete wrote: Are the vods up on wfbrood yet? Can't find them ... and if I don't watch now, I won't be able to watch until a lot later today. Vods are already on nevake account | ||
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Etopen
United States138 Posts
On March 02 2010 03:19 Tragic wrote: The "Hatchery Constrained Rule": Economy is constrained by hatcheries, not by minerals. Kwanro was 'decently' ahead through early-mid game. Losing the two valkyries, forcing Flash to transfer all the scv’s, putting the T back on 1 base mineral and GAS. The reason why GAS is a huge factor in this situation is because of how Flash chose to spend his initial gas=2 valkyries which killed 1 ovie, thus delaying science vessel production, upgrades, etc etc etc… and realistically making tech (mech) switching harder to pull off. Here I will not even consider the units Flash lost in the process. Now ask yourself was Kwanro ahead? At their programming level, the Zerg at a pretty GOOD favor, and shortly after the lurkers died off we already see hive finishing and the defiler mount building, and not a single science vessel yet. I even question if the science facility was even done, didn’t notice it during the game. Do not be blinded, just because he’s Flash, Kwanro should have had the game in the bag. Flash won, mainly because of Kwanro bad unit composition, suiciding units to mines, and unsaturated bases, and being overly aggressive. Another thing that was ridiculously stupid was people saying that if Kwanro tech switched, it wouldn’t matter because “if Flash saw mutas, within 1 minute Flash would have had 900 Goliaths and just anal rape Kwanro”. The reason why this logic is so utterly retarded is because first off Muta’s are one the key units in beating Mech. In this situation, there was a WINDOW, where if Kwanro tech switched, it would have done decent damage to Flash. Last time I checked, tanks and vultures do not do damage to Mutas. With proper muta control, Flash’s army will be trimmed down, forcing Flash to move back and more turrets, + giving Kwanro more map control before Flash goliath’s count mass up. In SC, you constantly make units that counter to your opponents units. Let’s put the previously retarded logic into play. I’m playing Terran, and I see 24 lings coming right into my base. (Lets just consider unit composition, no time for bunker or scv block or w.e.) I DO NOT want to make firebats because I know mutas will be coming shortly. Another example is, I’m playing Protoss, and I see lurkers, I do not want to make dragoons because ‘within 1 minute’ I’ll be anal raped by a group of hydra’s and lings. Flash tech switched AFTER he secured the second, he still had over 2 control groups of mnm I don't see how muta would do lots of damage as flash can easily put turret and build some goliath on 1 factory also making a valkyrie or 2 to defend off the muta while delaying them with his mnm so they can't harass them very well. I hope people didn't forget about the mnm groups before the tech switch so he wasn't purely on tanks and vultures. I never said kwanro wasn't ahead but people are just exaggerating how ahead he was, ie 24-30 mutas and win the game. | ||
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Fx_
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On March 02 2010 03:19 Tragic wrote: The "Hatchery Constrained Rule": Economy is constrained by hatcheries, not by minerals. Kwanro was 'decently' ahead through early-mid game. Losing the two valkyries, forcing Flash to transfer all the scv’s, putting the T back on 1 base mineral and GAS. The reason why GAS is a huge factor in this situation is because of how Flash chose to spend his initial gas=2 valkyries which killed 1 ovie, thus delaying science vessel production, upgrades, etc etc etc… and realistically making tech (mech) switching harder to pull off. Here I will not even consider the units Flash lost in the process. Now ask yourself was Kwanro ahead? At their programming level, the Zerg at a pretty GOOD favor, and shortly after the lurkers died off we already see hive finishing and the defiler mount building, and not a single science vessel yet. I even question if the science facility was even done, didn’t notice it during the game. Do not be blinded, just because he’s Flash, Kwanro should have had the game in the bag. Flash won, mainly because of Kwanro bad unit composition, suiciding units to mines, and unsaturated bases, and being overly aggressive. Another thing that was ridiculously stupid was people saying that if Kwanro tech switched, it wouldn’t matter because “if Flash saw mutas, within 1 minute Flash would have had 900 Goliaths and just anal rape Kwanro”. The reason why this logic is so utterly retarded is because first off Muta’s are one the key units in beating Mech. In this situation, there was a WINDOW, where if Kwanro tech switched, it would have done decent damage to Flash. Last time I checked, tanks and vultures do not do damage to Mutas. With proper muta control, Flash’s army will be trimmed down, forcing Flash to move back and more turrets, + giving Kwanro more map control before Flash goliath’s count mass up. In SC, you constantly make units that counter to your opponents units. Let’s put the previously retarded logic into play. I’m playing Terran, and I see 24 lings coming right into my base. (Lets just consider unit composition, no time for bunker or scv block or w.e.) I DO NOT want to make firebats because I know mutas will be coming shortly. Another example is, I’m playing Protoss, and I see lurkers, I do not want to make dragoons because ‘within 1 minute’ I’ll be anal raped by a group of hydra’s and lings. so many words. so little sense. | ||
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Fx_
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On March 02 2010 04:30 Etopen wrote: Flash tech switched AFTER he secured the third, he still had over 2 control groups of mnm I don't see how muta would do lots of damage as flash can easily put turret and build some goliath on 1 factory also making a valkyrie or 2 to defend off the muta while delaying them with his mnm so they can't harass them very well. I hope people didn't forget about the mnm groups before the tech switch so he wasn't purely on tanks and vultures. I never said kwanro wasn't ahead but people are just exaggerating how ahead he was, ie 24-30 mutas and win the game. its true closely watch a game vod | ||
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anch
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Tragic
Canada8 Posts
On March 02 2010 04:30 Etopen wrote: Flash tech switched AFTER he secured the second, he still had over 2 control groups of mnm I don't see how muta would do lots of damage as flash can easily put turret and build some goliath on 1 factory also making a valkyrie or 2 to defend off the muta while delaying them with his mnm so they can't harass them very well. I hope people didn't forget about the mnm groups before the tech switch so he wasn't purely on tanks and vultures. I never said kwanro wasn't ahead but people are just exaggerating how ahead he was, ie 24-30 mutas and win the game. "Flash tech switched AFTER he secured the second"= so? "He still had over 2 control groups of mnm I don't see how muta would do lots of damage"=Buddy we are talking about using mutas for fighting mech against mech not fight mnm "as flash can easily put turret and build some goliath on 1 factory also making a valkyrie or 2 to defend off the muta while delaying them with his mnm so they can't harass them very well" How about some battlecrusiers in the mix too? "I hope people didn't forget about the mnm groups before the tech switch so he wasn't purely on tanks and vultures."= 90% mech tank + vulture and 10% mnm. | ||
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Tragic
Canada8 Posts
prove me wrong plz i beg. | ||
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Fx_
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read above so many times that to understand | ||
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Etopen
United States138 Posts
On March 02 2010 06:03 Tragic wrote: "Flash tech switched AFTER he secured the second"= so? "He still had over 2 control groups of mnm I don't see how muta would do lots of damage"=Buddy we are talking about using mutas for fighting mech against mech not fight mnm "as flash can easily put turret and build some goliath on 1 factory also making a valkyrie or 2 to defend off the muta while delaying them with his mnm so they can't harass them very well" How about some battlecrusiers in the mix too? "I hope people didn't forget about the mnm groups before the tech switch so he wasn't purely on tanks and vultures."= 90% mech tank + vulture and 10% mnm. "putting the T back on 1 base mineral and GAS" for around 2 minutes, my point is he secured his 2nd and then tech switch so it wasn't 1 base mineral and GAS. About the using the mutas to fight mech, what are the numbers of mutas going to be? And at what stage of the game should they appear? "How about some battlecrusiers in the mix too?" Dude you were saying if kwanro made mutas to harass, I just said how flash could have done to defend the harass, again he wasn't on one gas long. "90% mech tank + vulture and 10% mnm" I said before the tech switch, not after the tech switch. | ||
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dl2agon
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mmdmmd
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so little words. so much sense. | ||
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mmdmmd
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On March 02 2010 05:55 anch wrote: lol, the Chinese commentator kept saying every ZvT vs Flash should just give up and switch to SC2. He is a funny guy. I like him. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On March 02 2010 06:13 dl2agon wrote: Kwanro should have made mutalisk after seeing a tank and vulture only army. Even if flash can get goliaths easily, the mutalisks still could have done surprise damage. Its way more effective than Ultralisks vs spider mines. Yeah the point vs mech is to abuse immobility, not run endless units into their lines. Mutas can move back and forth between the bases, outrun goliaths very effectively. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
dropping ultras on tanks in mine field totally works if flash hadn't controlled his tanks so well only problem is flash controlled his tanks too fkin well | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Rfgf0.gif) Flash EZPZ face expression. | ||
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Tragic
Canada8 Posts
Main point is Kwanro threw away a game he should of won, totally wrong unit composition, and eating mines like shit + overly aggressive. LOL @ the minesweeper pic. | ||
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J1.au
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
The thing is, it is always at the slight faults of the opponent. It is not a display of Flash's perfection so much as his ability to catch small advantages in high numbers, despite taking a single, enormous disadvantage. Also, map helped. Pretty nice to be able to tank push a high ground and snipe expansions that way, on a map with several small passageways that make vulture runbys effective but make engaging a terran ball suicide thanks to splash. Really, it's a cacophony of things | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On March 02 2010 09:30 J1.au wrote: It's funny how people always seem to "throw away" games against Flash. Hmm, I wonder what it could mean. It means that unless you're Jaedong or Stork, you should all-in every single game and GG if it goes longer than 12 minutes. Even when it looks like Flash is losing, he's actually winning. | ||
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poptartazn
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Tragic
Canada8 Posts
On March 02 2010 10:21 Djabanete wrote: It means that unless you're Jaedong or Stork, you should all-in every single game and GG if it goes longer than 12 minutes. Even when it looks like Flash is losing, he's actually winning. LOL. I say 4 pool him every game. The zergs got this. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
On March 02 2010 12:00 Xiphos wrote: Hey what if you fake Muta switch but then you are actually massing up with Hydra, Zergling army? Those Goliath would go to waste. What if he double faked thinking Flash would predict the fake but really Flash already made golaiths so the fake fake muta switch wouldn't be that effective? | ||
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sharkeyanti
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
On March 02 2010 12:29 Vasoline73 wrote: What if he double faked thinking Flash would predict the fake but really Flash already made golaiths so the fake fake muta switch wouldn't be that effective? Oh totally, a decent player like Jaedong would have predicted that Flash would have predicted the fake fake muta switch and would have triple-faked and then proceeded to destroy Flash, unlike that stupid newbie Kwanro. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On March 01 2010 22:06 Etopen wrote: wow to everyone exaggerating about Kwanro economy, you guys should reread the thread since flash and kwanro begins. Flash had his 3rd setup when kwanro was getting a 4th and also killed kwanro's 4th hatch with vultures, even if your memory isn't good then the thread could be a reference. Oh so when your on 3 bases you can totally pump out 60 ultras ^^ | ||
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JoepMeloen
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Jonten
Sweden5 Posts
On March 02 2010 09:44 TwoToneTerran wrote: It means that people get huge advantages that they, in any normal scenario, are guaranteed to win, and then piss away their advantage and underestimate Flash's capability to make game changing decisions in an almost rapid-fire like fashion. Flash's in-game adaptability is the best there's ever been so he has a particularly high rate of comebacks. The thing is, it is always at the slight faults of the opponent. It is not a display of Flash's perfection so much as his ability to catch small advantages in high numbers, despite taking a single, enormous disadvantage. Also, map helped. Pretty nice to be able to tank push a high ground and snipe expansions that way, on a map with several small passageways that make vulture runbys effective but make engaging a terran ball suicide thanks to splash. Really, it's a cacophony of things But no1 can play perfect. There is always mistakes in the games, and from my experience mistakes end games just as much as a good play does. Flash is good, better then many others, in taking advantage of the mistakes that other players do. As you said. In a way, however, i think it's a display of perfection to take advantage of all the opponents mistakes. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On March 02 2010 17:34 Scaramanga wrote: Oh so when your on 3 bases you can totally pump out 60 ultras ^^ Lies! That's over 200 supply | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
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EtherealDeath
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bentnormal
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On March 03 2010 07:11 EtherealDeath wrote: hmm thought he was at 2395 after last PL match for some reason. oh well I think he was at 2395 before the series vs samsung khan, and actually lost 5 points goin 3-1, and now is bact to 2395 after the kwanro game. | ||
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synapse
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Wings
United States999 Posts
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:29 SkelA wrote: you cant find an answer when you are mass tank vult and out of nowhere 30 muta come in and rape your ass Knowing Flash, he could probably sense when the muta switch is coming and have the appropriate defense prepared. This is the same guy that can sense protoss cheese despite protoss having a lot more variantions of it than zerg. | ||
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