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datscilly
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States529 Posts
January 07 2010 11:31 GMT
#1581
One important point about this game is that mined out starcraft is different from regular starcraft. The game played played out that way because harassment becomes ineffective, and the top priority is to fight cost effectively.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
January 07 2010 11:31 GMT
#1582
How can Protoss players whine about Terran though when someone like Best can be nearly invincible in PvT and he doesn't even make HTs?
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
January 07 2010 11:31 GMT
#1583
what the fuck at people calling best BM T_T
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7579 Posts
January 07 2010 11:32 GMT
#1584
On January 07 2010 20:28 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2010 20:26 AttackZerg wrote:
On January 07 2010 20:22 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On January 07 2010 20:19 Mooncat wrote:
On January 07 2010 20:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
sigh.. it makes me kinda sad that anyone here is impressed by either player in this one

embarassing performance on both sides


Makes me sad how few people realized that BeSt never had a chance at any time in the game...


yeah seriously its as if people see a big army and just discount everything that has lead to that point and go 'oh surely it must be even now, look best has 3 mining bases and flash has zero, surely he will win!'

nevermind the endless bank flash had from mining out four bases inside 20 minutes and losing barely any units the entire game -_-

I had no clue best could even outexpand after being behind 4 base to 2. I thought the 1o2o3o4o of 3/3 tank army of flash would just ripe him apart effortlessly.

=(

This is my second TvP I've seen since flash vs bisu on medusa in a long time though ... I guess it just always looks like protoss can win .....


it would have torn best apart, if flash had attacked at nearly any point in the game after he killed best's nat. his army was essentially unkillable for the entirety of that snoozer


ok.... then that is fucking weak then.

I think not being able to read a TvP or TvT minimap makes it harder for an uninformed observer(me).


Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
January 07 2010 11:32 GMT
#1585
On January 07 2010 20:30 konadora wrote:
Flash played the way he did BECAUSE of the map

12 can be nuked (which he did), and he can take 6 anytime

Which means Toss will at any point of time always be at 3 gas, and as long as Flash shows strong defence against recalls and/or straight on breaks, he knew he'll win.

Which was what he did.

Wasn't one of the changes to Match Point supposed to make it so that you can't nuke there anymore or is that PL only version?
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skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
January 07 2010 11:32 GMT
#1586
On January 07 2010 20:31 EpiK wrote:
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On January 07 2010 20:30 Gliche wrote:
i want flash to cheese this game

I think best would off himself

i really thought best would have last game. straight up pvt on match point is hell
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
January 07 2010 11:32 GMT
#1587
On January 07 2010 20:29 Conquest101 wrote:
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On January 07 2010 20:27 kNyTTyM wrote:
pretty boring game but the scv buffer shield and the mass patrol for recall defense was pretty interesting.

Are the scv buffers worth the supply they take up? I really feel like I'd rather have the extra vultures but there must be reason for them.


No, not particularly. But Flash had 1 mining expo at that time so had a glut of excess SCVS. At that point it's either suicide them or put them to some use. Either way is kinda meh.


But with the excess of minerals he accumulated off of 4 bases, wouldn't he have been better off just suiciding them and resupplying with vultures? That's what confused me since a decent while later he did that anyways
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 07 2010 11:32 GMT
#1588
On January 07 2010 20:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:
This entire deal was to just demoralize best going into a 3-0 though. Flash obviously had no problem trying to draw out the game whereas Best is desperate. Flash probably plans to crush Best early again by exploiting his mental state. July all over again.

This.

The other possibility is that Flash, knowing that in has past games against Best he's played overly aggressive, tried to play passive in order not to throw away his lead. Obviously it was unnecessary and he way overdid it, but still, it's a thought.
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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 07 2010 11:32 GMT
#1589
Best i still believe!
take it to 5th game
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
January 07 2010 11:32 GMT
#1590
On January 07 2010 20:30 konadora wrote:
Flash played the way he did BECAUSE of the map

12 can be nuked (which he did), and he can take 6 anytime

Which means Toss will at any point of time always be at 3 gas, and as long as Flash shows strong defence against recalls and/or straight on breaks, he knew he'll win.

Which was what he did.

This is most probably be true, but it anyways is kinda boring if you have such a huge lead, to just drag on the game for ever...
Be Nice, Be Fair, Be Mannered.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
January 07 2010 11:32 GMT
#1591
On January 07 2010 20:31 ondik wrote:
what the fuck at people calling best BM T_T

well he obviously should leave like 10 minutes earlier,. BM enough for me
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
January 07 2010 11:32 GMT
#1592
He should have taken the gas?
BW fighting!
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
January 07 2010 11:32 GMT
#1593
Best will pull out a Fantasy
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
January 07 2010 11:33 GMT
#1594
flash's tvp for the past few games were really hwasin/old forgg style in nature. A lot of of timing push oriented.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
January 07 2010 11:33 GMT
#1595
Flash's gas is awfully slow
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
January 07 2010 11:33 GMT
#1596
On January 07 2010 20:32 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2010 20:31 ondik wrote:
what the fuck at people calling best BM T_T

well he obviously should leave like 10 minutes earlier,. BM enough for me


10? More like 30...
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 07 2010 11:33 GMT
#1597
On January 07 2010 20:30 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2010 20:26 konadora wrote:
On January 07 2010 20:22 d_so wrote:
maybe faksteve needs to take off his sea-colored goggles and realize that most players would have quit from the Toss's perspective after getting his third attacked or most Terrans would have quit after the second recall. efficient openings or even playstyle aside, this was an example of great strategy and personality, if not mechanics.



LOL?


He forgot to say on D level iccup ...


lol look flash sent in TWO waves of scvs for reinforcements because it was too much. one wave got stasised, the second turned the tide. if it wasn't for the second wave to push best back the tanks would have been too slow to defend and that expo.. probably woudlnt have gone down but it would have been close
manner
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
January 07 2010 11:33 GMT
#1598
1 rax fe from flash LOL

this aint tvz
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
January 07 2010 11:33 GMT
#1599
On January 07 2010 20:31 darktreb wrote:
How can Protoss players whine about Terran though when someone like Best can be nearly invincible in PvT and he doesn't even make HTs?

terran palyers tend to exagerrate teh effectiveness of HTs. they're nice and all.. IF they dont get insta squashed by vults/tanks, or EMPd, and your opponent clumps tanks ups. they're nice, but they're not as good as terran players seem to make out
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
January 07 2010 11:33 GMT
#1600
On January 07 2010 20:32 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2010 20:30 konadora wrote:
Flash played the way he did BECAUSE of the map

12 can be nuked (which he did), and he can take 6 anytime

Which means Toss will at any point of time always be at 3 gas, and as long as Flash shows strong defence against recalls and/or straight on breaks, he knew he'll win.

Which was what he did.

Wasn't one of the changes to Match Point supposed to make it so that you can't nuke there anymore or is that PL only version?

that wasn't the change

the change was making gas un-harassable by marines from that small wall (not the one dividing it and the main)

the 12/6 expansions can still, unfortunately, be nuked.
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