EPT[SPL] Samsung KHAN vs eSTRO - Page 26
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
Thats like 2 - 9 too. So many zvp imba maps. | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On December 20 2009 15:03 MuffinDude wrote: How is this shine hate? El nino is hella imba pvz. its like 2 - 9. Thats as imba as a map gets. I remember on that map, Stork lost to Shine so I naturally thought he was referring to Shine. My mistake, it does look imba. Funny thing is Bisu beat Shine on this map of all places. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
On December 20 2009 15:07 Avidkeystamper wrote: What misinformation is this? Reavers are better than Templar during the early game with smaller army skirmishes. this. Reaver splash is far more devastating in the early - mid game skirmishes late game when its harder to dodge storms; THEN storms are more effective than reavers | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 20 2009 15:01 .risingdragoon wrote: rofl what medieval mech is this? yea, maybe long time ago that was possible, before hyvaa beat fantasy on medusa sometime last year when he did the same basic things to win these days you gotta harass, harass, and keep on harassing I haven't played with mech a lot on HBR, but on Desti it is still very much viable to just turtle up and slowly, slowly creep forward to eventually take out the side expos (and then the Zerg will starve to death). Not much need for harassment at all. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
On December 20 2009 15:22 Holgerius wrote: I haven't played with mech a lot on HBR, but on Desti it is still very much viable to just turtle up and slowly, slowly creep forward to eventually take out the side expos (and then the Zerg will starve to death). Not much need for harassment at all. i agree completely go watch some Flash TvZ's on this map. he plays it like a TvP . when he hits that huge 200 / 200 3/3/3 he moves out swarm wont do shit | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
On December 20 2009 15:06 baubo wrote: Indeed. Reavers are never better than templars. Harder to micro, slower in firing rate. Easier to kill. Flying lost that battle because Stork had more zealots and better dragoon arc. Which made up for his disadvantageous tech tree. Temps do an abstract damage, because they don't actually do any damage, only storm. Reavers do real damage, and it can only help to have reavers. If you have reavers, you pretty much have a shuttle too, and gives you the ability to harass, especially useful because the map was outsider... pretty much made for reavers. | ||
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PangO
Chile1870 Posts
On December 20 2009 14:59 usopsama wrote: Stork is unstoppable right now. Unless you are a zerg on an imbalance amp (El Nino), there is no way in hell you can beat Stork, not even if you are Flash! Yea, he will definetly win the serie against Shine ! | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On December 20 2009 15:07 Avidkeystamper wrote: What misinformation is this? Reavers are better than Templar during the early game with smaller army skirmishes. When is there ever a situation where you had small army with high templars? You can't even support hts on one base economy. Flying's army was about the smallest as it can get once a player reaches storm tech. On December 20 2009 15:31 RoieTRS wrote: Temps do an abstract damage, because they don't actually do any damage, only storm. Reavers do real damage, and it can only help to have reavers. If you have reavers, you pretty much have a shuttle too, and gives you the ability to harass, especially useful because the map was outsider... pretty much made for reavers. I'm not sure what you're implying. 1. How is storm damage not real damage? 2. Why won't you have a shuttle with templar tech when all players tech to observers? 3. Why is reaver harass better than templar drop? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
he wasnt talking about tech, but the shuttle itself, since reavers are essentially useless without a shuttle. templars are just fine walking along with an army so you dont necessarily have shuttles if you focused on hts. he didnt say reaver harass was better than temp drop, just said that reaver harass is really good on outsider, which it is because the setup makes it very hard to chase down shuttles and you can just fly around killing shit, instead of storm drops which are more of a one big shot and run away kind of thing. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
2. Not everyone techs to obs really early. If you watched flying play, his obs tech was really late, so its not like his shuttle is going to get there any earlier. 3. In reaver harass, you can most likely keep ur reavers alive. =) Storm drops might kill more though. | ||
Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/439/fbhsmirk.gif) I see... So then, what would you do to these morons? ![[image loading]](http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8676/fbhfalconpunch.gif) Just as I thought.  | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On December 20 2009 16:29 Mystlord wrote: Such a mundane argument. FBH, what do you say about this? I see... So then, what would you do to these morons? Just as I thought. Fbh's build was pretty clever though. 3 fac +1 weapon mass goliath build. And action played really greedy getting too many drones. OH quick, before anyone makes this lame joke. FALCON PUNCH!!! Oh u labeled the file fbh falcon punch. I fail. | ||
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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Speake
United States494 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On December 20 2009 16:23 IdrA wrote: he meant that the templar doesnt have a normal attack, only storm, which doesnt do guaranteed damage. with a reaver you're gonna have little bombs going off every few seconds guaranteed. its variable how much they kill cuz of splash, but not nearly as much as storm, and you dont have to wait for 75 mana to get it. he wasnt talking about tech, but the shuttle itself, since reavers are essentially useless without a shuttle. templars are just fine walking along with an army so you dont necessarily have shuttles if you focused on hts. he didnt say reaver harass was better than temp drop, just said that reaver harass is really good on outsider, which it is because the setup makes it very hard to chase down shuttles and you can just fly around killing shit, instead of storm drops which are more of a one big shot and run away kind of thing. I still don't see how any of these reasoning show that reaver tech can be better than templar tech. You're on a pro team. Do the protosses on CJ really think Stork's tech order in the game isn't disadvantageous to Flying's? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
Flying BO was basically super-fast HTs off of two bases. Yet he pushed out after 6 gateways. Early battles simply don't apply to templars. | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
^_^ ^o^ ^.^  fbh rules, bonjwa of entertainment | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 20 2009 17:18 baubo wrote: I'm not saying templars are better than reavers early game. But that's an academic assertion because of how high the tech is in of itself. Hence it is almost by definition impossible to apply to early game situations. Flying BO was basically super-fast HTs off of two bases. Yet he pushed out after 6 gateways. Early battles simply don't apply to templars. relatively early game, early mid game. its obvious what he was talking about, dont quibble over terminology | ||
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