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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
December 20 2009 10:25 GMT
#521
damn you really!
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
December 20 2009 12:11 GMT
#522
On December 20 2009 18:00 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 17:18 baubo wrote:
I'm not saying templars are better than reavers early game. But that's an academic assertion because of how high the tech is in of itself. Hence it is almost by definition impossible to apply to early game situations.

Flying BO was basically super-fast HTs off of two bases. Yet he pushed out after 6 gateways. Early battles simply don't apply to templars.

relatively early game, early mid game.
its obvious what he was talking about, dont quibble over terminology


But what he said has nothing to do with Stork vs Flying. And nothing to do with my original post. Which is why I don't get it.

That is, unless you're saying that Flying's tech path was in fact not correct and that he should've teched to reavers like Stork. That Stork won his first engagement because reavers > templars.
Meh
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
December 20 2009 13:32 GMT
#523
Go watch the vod baubo. The game speaks for itself. Theory crafting afterwards about reaver > HT or HT > reaver is just pointless. The game quite obviously showed reaver > ht in some situations IF the player does it right. Stork did it right. He took advantage of the window for harass and aggression when templars are not at their full effectiveness yet. He took advantage of the fact that templar tech is very expensive and lacks mobility for a window of time.

All of these things should be calculated into the HT versus Reaver tech discussion.

It's like saying fast hive play versus a lurker/hydra lair play is always hive >>> because if you have defilers then you must have a huge army too. coz nobody gets to defilers without all this other tech/eco etc etc. Do you see how this argument doesn't make much sense? THere are inherent pros/cons in taking specific tech paths. You're adding all kinds of contextual bs into it that are not necessarily guaranteed just because you got a certain tech. Everyone understands that in a late game 200/200 situation HTs are going to be better than reavers. But SC is not a game of black and white, there are plenty of conditional situations and rock-paper-scissors.

That guy was pointing out that normal reaver timings can be better than rushing to HT in certain situations. I see nothing wrong with that statement.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
December 20 2009 13:43 GMT
#524
Well I feel that Reavers 'should' be better in PvZ since it can't really be 'sniped' by Mutalisk and it still does great damage and even splash as well. Plus if Z decided to do Dark Swarm, Reavers can still hit the target.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
December 20 2009 14:19 GMT
#525
Haha FBH's smug grin was priceless.
觀過斯知仁矣.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
December 20 2009 14:28 GMT
#526
On December 20 2009 22:43 Xiphos wrote:
Well I feel that Reavers 'should' be better in PvZ since it can't really be 'sniped' by Mutalisk and it still does great damage and even splash as well. Plus if Z decided to do Dark Swarm, Reavers can still hit the target.


erm nobody is talkinga bout PvZ? lol it was pvp reaver vs ht tech
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
December 20 2009 14:30 GMT
#527
On December 20 2009 23:28 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 22:43 Xiphos wrote:
Well I feel that Reavers 'should' be better in PvZ since it can't really be 'sniped' by Mutalisk and it still does great damage and even splash as well. Plus if Z decided to do Dark Swarm, Reavers can still hit the target.


erm nobody is talkinga bout PvZ? lol it was pvp reaver vs ht tech



I know but I just felt like saying it. lol
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
December 20 2009 15:12 GMT
#528
On December 20 2009 23:30 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2009 23:28 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On December 20 2009 22:43 Xiphos wrote:
Well I feel that Reavers 'should' be better in PvZ since it can't really be 'sniped' by Mutalisk and it still does great damage and even splash as well. Plus if Z decided to do Dark Swarm, Reavers can still hit the target.


erm nobody is talkinga bout PvZ? lol it was pvp reaver vs ht tech



I know but I just felt like saying it. lol


haha alright, rock on then :D
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
December 20 2009 15:28 GMT
#529
WE CHANGED OUR UNIFORMS. WTF. WE WERE THE TEAM THAT DIDN'T STUPIDLY CHANGE UNIFORMS ALL THE TIME. WE WERE THE TEAM WITH SELF-RESPECT EVEN IF WE DIDN'T DESERVE IT. BLUE AND ORANGE? WTF.

(sorry about the all caps, it was a text message to my friend and I didn't want to rewrite the whole thing so I just copied and pasted)
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
December 20 2009 16:11 GMT
#530
If only they took out the orange, would be a decent uniform.
Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
December 20 2009 16:38 GMT
#531
FBH is hilarious i hope he wins more cant wait to see what he does next !

And Stork raping as always.... Jangbi pls come back
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 20 2009 16:51 GMT
#532
How far ha FBH fallen when he is getting cocky after beating Action.
Sprite
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1015 Posts
December 20 2009 16:59 GMT
#533
On December 21 2009 01:51 On_Slaught wrote:
How far ha FBH fallen when he is getting cocky after beating Action.

your definition of cocky is very weird then.
Firebathero is still the best!
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
December 20 2009 17:08 GMT
#534
On December 20 2009 22:43 Xiphos wrote:
Well I feel that Reavers 'should' be better in PvZ since it can't really be 'sniped' by Mutalisk and it still does great damage and even splash as well. Plus if Z decided to do Dark Swarm, Reavers can still hit the target.

I thought storms could do damage despite Dark Swarm? And reavers can certainly be sniped by Mutalisks.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
December 20 2009 17:08 GMT
#535
On December 21 2009 01:51 On_Slaught wrote:
How far ha FBH fallen when he is getting cocky after beating Action.

I think it was somewhat tongue in cheek.
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
December 20 2009 17:32 GMT
#536
i can only dream that firebathero turns into a monster again.
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
December 20 2009 18:08 GMT
#537
haha FBH being "damn im good" when the game is still going ;p
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
December 20 2009 18:18 GMT
#538
I just watched the VOD. Firebathero's expression was the highlight of the week.

Although it is kinda sad that FBH considers defeating a mediocre player a crowning achievement nowadays.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
December 20 2009 18:56 GMT
#539
FBH XD
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
December 20 2009 19:07 GMT
#540
yay FBH ceremony
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