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NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
December 18 2009 10:32 GMT
#901
On December 18 2009 19:31 vRoOk wrote:
Pure had a max apm of 516.. impressive epically for a protoss


Probably went crazy trying to put down cannons when he saw the mutas coming.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
December 18 2009 10:32 GMT
#902
On December 18 2009 19:31 vRoOk wrote:
Pure had a max apm of 516.. impressive epically for a protoss


APM is bloody useless if you can't use it well.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
December 18 2009 10:33 GMT
#903
what a sad replay. i think pure should have built the cannons first, instead of the templar archives and then canceling the templar archives to build cannons when the mutas are already raping probes -_-"
Brood War loyalist
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
December 18 2009 10:33 GMT
#904
On December 18 2009 19:32 NguN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 19:31 vRoOk wrote:
Pure had a max apm of 516.. impressive epically for a protoss


Probably went crazy trying to put down cannons when he saw the mutas coming.


LOLOL
Breaking Bad
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
December 18 2009 10:33 GMT
#905
duuuuuuuude everybody saying Protoss is not ahead when they successfully KILL THE THIRD HATCHERY WITH JUST CANNONS in PvZ needs to actually play the game wow this is unbelievable

I mean are you serious I wish you could simulate that game except with Pure not being stupid and losing to that all-in and you'd see how Pure has like 2X the food of Calm in another 4 or 5 minutes
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
December 18 2009 10:33 GMT
#906
The amount of relief that Calm must've felt when he flew in there with Mutas and saw no cannons must've been equivalent to taking a 20 pound shit.
Graphics
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 10:34:11
December 18 2009 10:33 GMT
#907
On December 18 2009 19:30 SilverskY wrote:
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On December 18 2009 19:30 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:28 cz wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:27 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Guys, on a serious note, there's been like 2 good games total from Ro16 and thus far Ro8 combined. Flash vs Stork, and Zero vs Pure. The rest have been just awful (like Shine vs fantasy, Calm vs Pure, Jaedong vs go.go, and so on). This OSL kind of blows. If there isn't some kind of amazing Calm vs Flash semifinal, or a full 5-game set of Flash vs Stork finals, this is probably the worst OSL I've ever seen.



I'd say Flash v Jaedong today was a great/amazing game, just for Flash's perfect play.


It was very one-sided. Ass-whoopings are not good games.


They are if the winner displays impeccable play and the opponent is Jaedong. :D


Yeah, Flash is fantastic and all, but the game was quick, anti-climactic, and extremely decisive. That's still not a good game [in my opinion]. Competition, please!

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NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
December 18 2009 10:33 GMT
#908
You can't say Pure cannon'ing Calm's third was bad; the larva delay alone is a huge deal, at least when you set up for mutas.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
December 18 2009 10:33 GMT
#909
fuck yaer movie
POGGERS
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 10:34:55
December 18 2009 10:33 GMT
#910
On December 18 2009 19:32 StorkHwaiting wrote:
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On December 18 2009 19:25 RobRoy2501 wrote:
What awesome advantage did Pure have? He spent 400 minerals to kill a 300 mineral expansion, and Calm even got 3 larva out of it.


The math isn't even right. It's 500 minerals vs 300 + drone. But I had this kind of argument in another thread about spawning pool and it turned into a shitfest... In the end, you can't calculate things based on numbers like that. It doesn't match up.

But to the people saying 1 cannon blah blah. They are wrong. Pure wasn't that high on minerals. He pumped out 2 dragoons. A dragoon has about the same effect as a cannon in the mineral line. And Pure had 2 of them and 2 corsair. That's a good amount of air defense. It just wasn't enough to stop Calm's all in. I don't think Pure expected Calm to go that hard into mutas. Calm did a 100% all-in rather than pump half muta half drone and hope for enough harass dmg to get back in the game.

Dragoon =/= cannon. Cannon has more HP, attacks much faster, and does TWICE as much damage vs mutas. Goons do 1/2 damage to small units, Cannons to full damage to all units. oh, and cannons have more range than goons
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
December 18 2009 10:34 GMT
#911
Time for Movie to show how PvZ is done.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 18 2009 10:34 GMT
#912
On December 18 2009 19:30 revy wrote:
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On December 18 2009 19:22 Shikyo wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:18 revy wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:14 Shikyo wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:12 SilverskY wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:11 Shikyo wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:09 SilverskY wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:07 Geo.Rion wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:02 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 18 2009 18:57 SilverskY wrote:
Flash is revolutionizing TvZ... If JD couldn't beat him, there is no one that can (Hyun was an exception)


What a load. Actually, if Hyun can beat him, other zergs can, too.


to silversky

How the hell is this revolutionizing?
This is exactly the same bio-style Terrans used for the last 2 years, a bit safer i guess.
I'm getting raped by this "11rax CC, deny 3rd, push befor defiler" since i play Iccup. Flash executed it well, JD made a couple bad decisions that's it.
And who said JD cannot beat this? He lost ONE frickin game. Zero could have beaten this had he upgraded what he should have.

Jeeez people are so serious today...

Yeah sure it's Bionic, but the meta game seems a bit different with very early aggression, which wasn't seen a lot before Flash started using it a lot. And of course my statement about the people being unbeatable is an exaggeration, I'm just happy for Flash's win.

People need to chill...

Wasn't seen a lot? Like firebathero doing 5 - 7rax mass mnm timing pushes against 3 hatch mutas?

It's been around. And it's preventable if you don't mass sunkens in your natural...


I'm talking about Flash's little attack group of like 10ish rines, and 3 medics and he moves out.

You said that the kind of early aggression wasn't seen before.

People have done it for years to pressure the Z to make sunkens. Ret's ZvT has revolved around denying/delaying the Zerg's third base with a lot of early mnm.

Come on, it's nothing new, he just executes it well...


No but its not exactly standard play currently. Standard TvZ is much more passive which I don't really like. I remember the MSL finals when Forgg beat Jaedong there was one build he used which I liked a lot. It was 2 rax CC with extreme early pressure similar to how Flash is playing (except he's only doing 1 rax CC).

Wow really? Every time I play on iccup I always lose my third/have it denied before mutas unless I make a lot of zerglings. I don't know what you mean standard... Hmm the stream just went apeshit


I didn't realize you played pros on iccup, I think it's pretty clear that I'm talking about the pro level. I don't contest Flash invented this style of play, but it is far from standard on the pro level.

Yeah guess people on the lower levels can't play standard. Avi-Love played a game against me where he used a lot of early mnm to deny my third base... Different build though, guess that's the closest to a pro I've played.

Far from standard on the pro level? Um okay... What's standard? Since his 2 rax academy and 3 rax fac are both completely normal and standard, and are generally accepted as the standard play.
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
December 18 2009 10:34 GMT
#913
Let's do this Thugtoss.
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
December 18 2009 10:34 GMT
#914
gogogo movie!
BW is back
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
December 18 2009 10:34 GMT
#915
On December 18 2009 19:33 darktreb wrote:
duuuuuuuude everybody saying Protoss is not ahead when they successfully KILL THE THIRD HATCHERY WITH JUST CANNONS in PvZ needs to actually play the game wow this is unbelievable

I mean are you serious I wish you could simulate that game except with Pure not being stupid and losing to that all-in and you'd see how Pure has like 2X the food of Calm in another 4 or 5 minutes


No fucking shit.

Obviously if a player fails an all-in, the other player will have a huge advantage 5 minutes later.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
December 18 2009 10:34 GMT
#916
Go Movie!
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
December 18 2009 10:34 GMT
#917
Let's see these Flash vs Jaedong liquibet stats!
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
roMAD
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Russia2355 Posts
December 18 2009 10:34 GMT
#918
On December 18 2009 19:22 Fx_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 19:01 Weryeery wrote:
On December 18 2009 18:59 Fx_ wrote:
and so
all Jae's funs
Where are Jaedong's almighty?


Just wait till next week games.
U will understand why JD is called LWWW Zerg


Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 19:00 roMAD wrote:
On December 18 2009 18:59 Fx_ wrote:
and so
all Jae's funs
Where are Jaedong's almighty?

Wait till next Friday


oooookey
But very interestingly that you will speak when he will be steamrolled second time?
We wait for the following meeting?
Next OSL?

I am more wondering what you will have to say if JD eventually beats FlaSh since i didn't make any statements about how JD will crush FlaSh next time they meet.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
December 18 2009 10:35 GMT
#919
People doing math on straight up mineral/gas costs in PvZ of all matchups (then again basically all three non-mirrors have a skew) need to stop, this is getting ridiculous
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
December 18 2009 10:35 GMT
#920
First of all, it was 300 (the pylon is still used) to take out a 300 expo, a drone, and throw the Zerg timings off. Pure's lack of defense was the reason he lost - 2base vs. 2base is a clear advantage for Protoss... if he manages to survive. He didn't.
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
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