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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/SilverskY/EVERSL2.jpg) Banner by SilverskY December 4th, 18:30 KST: OnGameNet Channel ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/DoctorHelvetica/misc_gfx/lineupimage.png)  Pusan < Eye of the Storm > Movie YellOw[ArnC] < El Niño > ZerOCalm < Fighting Spirit > EffOrttype-b < Heartbreak Ridge > Kwanro![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/DoctorHelvetica/misc_gfx/predictionsimage.png) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/DoctorHelvetica/misc_gfx/resultsimage.png) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/DoctorHelvetica/misc_gfx/recommendedimage.png) + Show Spoiler + dont watch any of these games every single one was terrible How to Watch OnGameNet DoctorHelvetica's Stream Mystlord's Stream Post your stream! | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
![[image loading]](/staff/DoctorHelvetica/EVER_OSL2/day4agroup.png) Poll: Winner- Pusan versus Movie? (Vote): Pusan (Vote): Movie ![[image loading]](/staff/DoctorHelvetica/EVER_OSL2/day4bgrupppe.png) Poll: Winner- ZerO versus YellOw[ArnC] (Vote): ZerO (Vote): Yarnc ![[image loading]](/staff/DoctorHelvetica/EVER_OSL2/day4cgruppe.png) Poll: Winner- Calm versus EffOrt (Vote): Calm (Vote): EffOrt ![[image loading]](/staff/DoctorHelvetica/EVER_OSL2/day4dgruppe.png) Poll: Winner- Kwanro versus T-Bizzle (Vote): Kwanro (Vote): T-Bizzle Poll: Who are you rooting for? (Vote): Movie (Vote): Pusan (Vote): ZerO (Vote): YellOw[ArnC] (Vote): EffOrt (Vote): ZerO (Vote): T-Bizzle (Vote): Kwanro | ||
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seRapH
United States9756 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On December 04 2009 08:08 majesty.k)seRapH wrote: personally i think zero could beat fake yellow. agree with everything else though of course all four matches are tossups. The ones with the better BOs will win. | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
![[image loading]](http://baysideproducts.com/store/images/victoria_cheval_mirror.jpg) day! If EffOrt > Calm, than Shine advances. Yet EffOrt is awesome. Paradox. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
Pusan loses, both he and  go.go are eliminated.If Calm loses, he's eliminated.If Kwanro loses, he's eliminated.gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | ||
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miseiler
United States1389 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Jaedong/Movie/ZerO/Yarnc/EffOrt/Shine/Flash/Stork seems the most likely though. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
i predict movie, zero, effort and kwanro to win. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 04 2009 08:21 StorrZerg wrote: any way for hwasin to advance O_o? I don't believe so. | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
If YellOw[ArnC] wins tonight, then Hwasin is eliminated.If ZerO wins tonight, Hwasin must defeat YellOw[ArnC] next week and ZerO must defeat Pure next week and Hwasin must survive a highlander tiebreak with YellOw[ArnC], Pure, and himself.So there's a chance. | ||
Aesop
Hungary11291 Posts
On December 04 2009 08:16 EvoChamber wrote: Loser of EffOrt vs. Calm is eliminated.Loser of type-b vs. Kwanro is eliminated.Both untrue. there is still a chance for a 3 x (1-2) tie where there will be tiebreakers. (Calm > Effort, Shine > Calm, Effort > fantasy for example) | ||
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PangO
Chile1870 Posts
Effort will definetly win | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
On December 04 2009 08:26 Aesop wrote: Both untrue. there is still a chance for a 3 x (1-2) tie where there will be tiebreakers. (Calm > Effort, Shine > Calm, Effort > fantasy for example) Yeah my bad, fixed the post. My brain is still reeling from the results of MSL group F >< | ||
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ZBiR
Poland1092 Posts
Also, Pusan is oldschool and cool as fuck. Go Pusan! | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On December 04 2009 08:30 EvoChamber wrote: Yeah my bad, fixed the post. My brain is still reeling from the results of MSL group F >< However... If Kwanro loses, then he is out. If Calm loses, then he's out. The above "3 players at 1-2" situation doesn't occur with Kwanro and Calm. Also, tonight's matchups suck. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
i hate that either calm or effort will be eliminated | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] < El Niño > (Z)ZerO (Z)Calm < Fighting Spirit > (Z)EffOrt (Z)type-b < Heartbreak Ridge > (Z)Kwanro i hope this happens | ||
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
On December 04 2009 09:12 Hinanawi wrote: I'm not good at analyzing these things, but Flash has a better chance of getting out of his group if Kwanro wins his match tonight, right? I'm not 100% sure but here's what can theoretically happen, assuming Flash always beats Tybe-B next week (for ease of assumption  ):Kwanro wins tonight: Stork > Kwanro: Flash advances in second Kwanro > Stork: Flash plays in a tie breaker vs. Kwanro/Stork. If he goes 2-0 or 1-1* he advances. Type-B wins tonight: Stork > Kwanro: Flash advances in second Kwanro > Stork: Flash advances in second So, if you believe Flash can beat type-B reasonably a lot, I would say you would rather have Type-B winning tonight. If Flash doesn't win then that's another series of branches to go down, I'll do it if you ask nicely * If everyone goes 1-1 in tiebreaks, they obviously replay it. This 1-1 means after someone else has gone 2-0. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
Jaedong is rooting for Moviego.go is rooting for PusanHwasin is rooting for ZerOShine is rooting for EffOrtStork is rooting for Kwanrofantasy, Pure, and Flash don't care. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
 But it's fucking OSL, so I'll probably watch anyway. Movie, Zero, Effort and Type-B will win. | ||
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
Pusan > Movie YellOw[ArnC] > ZerO (Z)Calm > (Z)EffOrt (Z)type-b < (Z)Kwanro | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
The only decent game, imo, is the first one. | ||
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cokencheese
Philippines748 Posts
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
I'm going to go out and eat some steak | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On December 04 2009 11:18 konadora wrote: Today is going to be so terrible, I'm not streaming I'm going to go out and eat some steak Thats ok. Jon747 has the vids out like 4 hours later. | ||
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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saikeraku
Canada2933 Posts
Zero Calm Type-b | ||
Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
http://tv.zeroboy.net/mystlord | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On December 04 2009 11:51 Mystlord wrote: Omg YAY. Aside from type-b vs. Kwanro which will probably be the low point of the night, this will be a fun series. I'm so streaming. http://tv.zeroboy.net/mystlord Don'cha be playa hatin on t-bizzle son! Or I bust out heat an' cap some .45 up yo thug ass boy! | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
at least they're interesting | ||
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
On December 04 2009 08:25 EvoChamber wrote: this WILL happen. it must. ah well, sadly rooting for effort and calm...oh what a dilemma.If YellOw[ArnC] wins tonight, then Hwasin is eliminated.If ZerO wins tonight, Hwasin must defeat YellOw[ArnC] next week and ZerO must defeat Pure next week and Hwasin must survive a highlander tiebreak with YellOw[ArnC], Pure, and himself.So there's a chance. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
On December 04 2009 08:17 miseiler wrote: And if zero wins, he's guaranteed a spot! GO ZERO Unfortunately not true. If Pure > Zero and Yarnc > Hwasin, Pure, Zero, and Yarnc go into a tiebreaker at 2-1 each. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On December 04 2009 13:18 Mastermind wrote: T-Bizzle's got this fo sho Every Stork fan has to root for bizzle. if he beats Kwanro, Stork is guaranteed a spot in ro8. And if he does win, Flash better watch out. b is gonna throw the full weight of his 65% ZvT and more at Flash because it will be winner take all. | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
don't have to bother tuning in lol  | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
3 ZvZ. Hahaha, like hell that I will stay up for this. | ||
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Pufftrees
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Effort vs Calm is the obvious main draw, go CJ troops! | ||
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prototype.
Canada4202 Posts
On December 04 2009 14:00 dukethegold wrote: Effort's photoshopped picture was a perfect fit. O.o lol that's what i thought too good thing it's all mirrors... i have work tomorrow morning | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
There are 6 zergs and 2 protoss playing... For some reason I won't go with any of the zergs | ||
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kaleidoscope
Singapore2887 Posts
I bet my friends arent gonna watch today's, since they hate zvzs.. | ||
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
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Ruff
Kazakhstan179 Posts
PuSan > Movie MS < Zero Calm < EffOrt TypE-B > Kwanro | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
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Artroide
Latvia35 Posts
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Emon_
3925 Posts
On December 04 2009 17:24 JohnColtrane wrote: why cant this start an hour early, im so fucking bored :C haha yeah! Give me a surprise FBH v. Flash game so I have something to watch during the wait. 25min passed. 35 to go. | ||
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White_Raven
Australia178 Posts
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
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Artroide
Latvia35 Posts
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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mmgoose
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Aduromors
United States279 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
On December 04 2009 18:40 Aduromors wrote: How terrible would it be if in the middle of the game Movie sneezes a giant loogie into his surgical mask? A true tragedy How old are you? | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
they all look like pretty decent games though, despite them all being mirrors. | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
Pusan at bottom right in teal Eye of the Storm | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
working stream | ||
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LetMeShine
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mmgoose
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butter
United States785 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i46.tinypic.com/105bo07.jpg) Movie looking like he's in a motorcycle gang. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
Pusan has placed a pylon in his nat-main choke both players have a zealot chasing the scouting probe Movie starts his second gateway after Pusan's has finished | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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Hopkingreenfrog
Australia144 Posts
On December 04 2009 18:45 butterbrain wrote: Movie looking like he's in a motorcycle gang. who wore this last night? | ||
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Uraeus
France1378 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
movie's templar archives almost done should be an easy win for movie | ||
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LetMeShine
979 Posts
Nope this is pretty much over. Pusan has no robo bay or forge and DTs are coming. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
pusan starts a 3rd gateway his only hope is to see the blur and make a forge but dts are already out and his army is outside his nat movie has this | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
pusan gg's as the dt enters his main | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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LetMeShine
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Uraeus
France1378 Posts
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LCC
Canada348 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
No fighting unit died in game one, 3 ZvZs to go. | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 04 2009 18:50 FireGuyX wrote: Why is Movie wearing a mask? Probably for flu control. It's a smart thing to do, westerners will mock it but it's better than getting sick or getting other people sick for sure. Plus it makes him look like a ninja. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
On December 04 2009 18:49 heyoka wrote: so i guess pusan decided to just auto lose if movie made early DTs and movie happened to make early DTs? he took the risk with expanding after 2 goons, its only his fault | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9021 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Poll: Which game will be the longest of the night? (Vote): The PvP (Vote): ZvZ #1 (Vote): ZvZ #2 (Vote): ZvZ #3 (Vote): Wait, I thought they were just warming up... | ||
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
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Artroide
Latvia35 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
I guess he just prayed that no DTs would be made. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On December 04 2009 18:52 On_Slaught wrote: What a terrible way to lose. I guess he just prayed that no DTs would be made. Smart move by Movie none the less, he keeps getting better and better in PvP. | ||
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Ruff
Kazakhstan179 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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Ruff
Kazakhstan179 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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Hopkingreenfrog
Australia144 Posts
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Ruff
Kazakhstan179 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Ruff
Kazakhstan179 Posts
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NguN
Australia1322 Posts
On December 04 2009 18:57 meeple wrote: AH just got up, thank god Movie won... although if I read it right it wasn't much of a fight about 3 probes died in that whole game | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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LetMeShine
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Uraeus
France1378 Posts
On December 04 2009 18:57 meeple wrote: AH just got up, thank god Movie won... although if I read it right it wasn't much of a fight Almost no goo was shed. | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
if zero wins, he is guaranteed to at least force a tiebreaker zero and his booth girl smiling at each other | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On December 04 2009 18:59 FireGuyX wrote: Movie and Jaedong don't have to play each other anymore right? they do to find out who is #1 and #2 | ||
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sajrus
Poland89 Posts
bolksTV is here ;p | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
On December 04 2009 18:59 FireGuyX wrote: Movie and Jaedong don't have to play each other anymore right? The result is meaningless but yeah they still do. There's pride on the line though cause Movie has beaten Jaedong way more than the average protoss. | ||
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b0ng
Czech Republic82 Posts
On December 04 2009 19:00 Crunchums wrote: zero and his booth girl smiling at each other Yeah, what is that all about? | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On December 04 2009 19:01 Crunchums wrote: The result is meaningless but yeah they still do. There's pride on the line though cause Movie has beaten Jaedong way more than the average protoss. I doubt there is any pride in a meaningless match, but he is 3:3 against Jaedong (most likely be 3:4 soon). If I were Movie I would throw the game away, try to cheese or something. Although in a bo5 or bo3, I think Movie is capable of beating Jaedong. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
On December 04 2009 18:59 LetMeShine wrote: Yeah seriously...no zealots or dragoons even died. Pusan played greedy and Movie cheesed with one base (?) DTs. The game had nothing to do with Movie's or Pusan's PvP skill. He had a nexus building as Pusan GG'd. I wouldn't really call that cheese; if Pusan had had observers he certainly would have been at a disadvantage but it certainly wouldn't be an auto loss. That intro is so baller yarnc at bottom left in purple zero at bottom right in blue el ninyo | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
I thought OSL ro8 brackets were random? edit: oh but there is still a 1 seed and a 2 seed from each pool and it is not completely random right | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
zero 12pool | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
I always thought that it was cute when the progamers actually acknowledged the booth girls. It must be hard pretending you're not there all the time. Huray | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
zero going 12pool expand | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
edit: I mean so as not to allow zero to block his ramp at the bottom | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
Zero's lair begins as yarnc's spire starts 2nd hatch in base for yarnc | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
expect spores soon as yarnc's spire is almost done | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
zero pulls his lings back and has made 3 spores (1 main 2 nat) and 1 sunk yarnc harassing some drones not covered by the main spore | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
yarnc attacks with lings and tries to use his mutas no success mutas out for zero zero has this | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
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zerotol
Belgium508 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
On December 04 2009 19:10 29 fps wrote: that was a bad decision by yarnc which decision? | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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calvinL
Canada416 Posts
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LetMeShine
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
edit wait its zvt vs some newbie and zvz vs b teamer oh well | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On December 04 2009 18:51 tree.hugger wrote: Poll: Which game will be the longest of the night? (Vote): The PvP (Vote): ZvZ #1 (Vote): ZvZ #2 (Vote): ZvZ #3 (Vote): Wait, I thought they were just warming up... This is proving more prophetic than I thought... | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
match of the night (calm vs effort) coming up | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
Type-B>Kwanro | ||
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Ruff
Kazakhstan179 Posts
so YellOw's 2nd hatch on main is autolose. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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disco
Netherlands1667 Posts
On December 04 2009 19:14 meeple wrote: That was actually pretty good defense from Zero... but Yarnc was just stupid to try an attack that... He kind of had to I guess.. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
If Effort loses then Shine still has a chance at not advancing go Calm! | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Worse than a Calm Kwanro final. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
On December 04 2009 19:14 Ruff wrote: 9 pool vs. 12 pool, exp so YellOw's 2nd hatch on main is autolose. He used the 2nd hatchery to pump lings. It didn't work because Zero prepared for that. He could have won with it if Zero hadn't. | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
1. EffOrt is my favorite player. 2. fantasy is my second favorite player.3. Shine is a terrible zerg who looks ridiculous. 4. If EffOrt wins, - Shine advances into the OSL (BAD) - fantasy might be eliminated from both leagues. (BAD) - EffOrt might be eliminated from the OSL. (BAD) 5. However, I can't not root for EffOrt. Therefore, I will hope for an epic deciding game between the two, and root for the winner to meet Movie in the finals. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
he is just boring and mediocre | ||
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roronoe
Canada1527 Posts
On December 04 2009 19:19 tree.hugger wrote: Huge moral quandary for this next match. 1. EffOrt is my favorite player. 2. fantasy is my second favorite player.3. Shine is a terrible zerg who looks ridiculous. 4. If EffOrt wins, - Shine advances into the OSL (BAD) - fantasy might be eliminated from both leagues. (BAD) - EffOrt might be eliminated from the OSL. (BAD) 5. However, I can't not root for EffOrt. Therefore, I will hope for an epic deciding game between the two, and root for the winner to meet Movie in the finals. Thats exactly how I feel How is shine advancing over 3 players I like. yeah, shine does look ridiculous | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
i'm happy now | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Uraeus
France1378 Posts
So boriiiing. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Rucky
United States717 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
How is the quality and lag and such on my stream right now? I don't think my shitty internet can handle streaming to the server, keeping the source running, and watching a stream at once. I can't tell if something is wrong or what. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
Calm at bottom right in orange Fighting Spirit Kim Yoon Hwan fighting! | ||
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United States11144 Posts
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United States11144 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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LetMeShine
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
Decent build orders, slight favoring for Calm. Depends what calms build order is (2nd hatch or ling speed, or both with delayed 2nd hatch) | ||
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Chaos
United States772 Posts
On December 04 2009 19:33 LetMeShine wrote: Both doing identical builds. Effort went pool -> gas while Calm went gas -> pool however. Those aren't identical O_O | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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Uraeus
France1378 Posts
On December 04 2009 19:31 Grobyc wrote: My stream (http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Grobyc) How is the quality and lag and such on my stream right now? I don't think my shitty internet can handle streaming to the server, keeping the source running, and watching a stream at once. I can't tell if something is wrong or; what. Perfect. Good quality, 0 lag. Thx. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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LetMeShine
979 Posts
I didn't get a good look at it. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
1 ling still running around both spires about halfway done | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
Calm starting a 2nd hatch in base | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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United States11144 Posts
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
mutas out for both players | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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LetMeShine
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Calm has this | ||
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On December 04 2009 19:37 LetMeShine wrote: Calm expanding. I think you have the players backwards. | ||
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Grobyc
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effort ggs | ||
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he may not win the muta battle but he got quite a few drone kills and he wins the muta battle Calm should have this | ||
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brilliant play from Calm | ||
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Calm had better pressure, was the only one to get ling speed and got a much earlier 2nd hatch which allowed him to crush Effort in the first big muta battle. Effort pretty much just died that game. | ||
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Iplaythings
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Hah, Fantasy and Effort will both disqualify <'3 | ||
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Jackal03
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terrible play by effort | ||
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On December 04 2009 19:39 Camlito wrote: Yup, build order win for calm. This post makes me angry | ||
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On December 04 2009 19:39 StorkHwaiting wrote: Effort is not S-class! you base this on ZvZ? lolol | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
I wonder if the Pusan v Movie game was actually the longest. | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
?? Overgas vs 9 pool is a great advantage for overgas, especially when a top 4 zerg in the world uses it. Calm at the end lost like 2/3 mutas to scourge and still won because he could afford too. | ||
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Jackal03
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comercials are taking longer than the games, that sucks | ||
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On December 04 2009 19:41 Jackal03 wrote: effort terrible play by effort EffOrt's 9pool did not pay off, and Calm used the advantage to get the faster second hatch. Not terrible by EffOrt, only wrong. Now I need EffOrt to throw his game against fantasy, so that Shine doesn't get into the OSL, and then EffOrt can focus on the MSL and win that. | ||
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Ruff
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On December 04 2009 19:39 Camlito wrote: Yup, build order win for calm. lol | ||
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It can happen!! | ||
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On December 04 2009 19:44 raga4ka wrote: If Shine beats Calm and Effort beats fantasy there will be a 3 way tie for second place . aye this sounds much more likely | ||
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On December 04 2009 19:44 tree.hugger wrote: EffOrt's 9pool did not pay off, and Calm used the advantage to get the faster second hatch. Not terrible by EffOrt, only wrong. Now I need EffOrt to throw his game against fantasy, so that Shine doesn't get into the OSL, and then EffOrt can focus on the MSL and win that. i preffer that he wins against fantasy and shine beats calm, so we have a round robin for the last spot. I have nothing agains shine, he seems to be the next good player arising (and already beated effort, bisu and fantasy) | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On December 04 2009 19:45 writer22816 wrote: Actually that was pretty much a build order win... It's unfortunate, and it doesn't mean Calm would have lost otherwise, but it's true. EffOrt played well still. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Effort had scourges mutas AND drones. Whats easiest to micro? And who had the BO advantage. Another thing you guys are not getting is how many more lings effort had compared to Calm. I ain't sure but I think Effort thought Calm had more lings that he had (else I bet he'd broke in) | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
effort is already out of osl huh wow, that was quick wait if effort beat fantasy and shine beats calm, then effort still has a chance. | ||
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and you base this off ONE zvz game....the most build-order advantage mirror match up | ||
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MuffinDude
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On December 04 2009 19:53 SkytoM wrote: MSL uses neo or old HBR? old, only pl uses new | ||
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On December 04 2009 19:56 JohnBall wrote: I want to see some sunken rush! rushing distance is a bit long | ||
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JohnBall
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That's why it would be even more impressive. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Type B in Yellow on the left Kwanro in Red on the right. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
On December 04 2009 19:43 Camlito wrote: ?? Overgas vs 9 pool is a great advantage for overgas, especially when a top 4 zerg in the world uses it. Calm at the end lost like 2/3 mutas to scourge and still won because he could afford too. I don't disagree that overgas is at an advantage over 9pool but I would still not call it a build order win. Calm only took scourge shots after he had already won the muta battle, during which he was able to land 2 scourge on effort. His ling usage that game was also exceptional. type b at left in white kwanro at right in red hbr | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
type b yellow z at 9 | ||
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Crunchums
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hopefully it will be a mirror because 12hatch >> 12pool | ||
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same for kwanro | ||
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On December 04 2009 19:52 thestool91 wrote: and you base this off ONE zvz game....the most build-order advantage mirror match up I dont think he was basing that off this one game. I always thought effort was the type to rape weak opponents but he just cant keep up with the big boys. And tlpd supports me with my belief. | ||
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Crunchums
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type b hiding lings but I doubt kwanro will be fooled | ||
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kwanro making a sunken | ||
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type b starts his spire; is still making lings whereas kwanro is making drones kwanro's spire ~200 hp faster | ||
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type-b ggs! | ||
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he should win now | ||
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Crunchums
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what an awful game | ||
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3/4 on my LB and awful fast games (kinda expected for 3 zvz) | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
good thing i voted for kwanro, i hate that guy but he somehow ends up fighting a scrub and always wins | ||
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On_Slaught
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The longest game was almost 8min I think. | ||
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Iplaythings
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On_Slaught
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Tell people to stay far away from this one. | ||
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JohnBall
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Looks like Movie and Jaedong are certain to advance, but the other groups seem to be more entangled. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On December 04 2009 20:06 Jackal03 wrote: if kwanro beats stork and flash beats type-b, we'll have 3 players with 2-1 (and a nice tie break) stork will beat kwanro and flash will beat type b | ||
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On December 04 2009 20:09 MuffinDude wrote: stork will beat kwanro and flash will beat type b most probably, either way i'm happy (i like those 3 players) | ||
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Interista90
Vietnam16 Posts
On December 04 2009 20:06 Hinanawi wrote: Worst night of OSL ever. Because 3 ZvZ, zzzzzzzzzzzz. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
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On December 04 2009 20:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: these games were so bad i dont even know what im going to write about them Plus it will take longer to read your writeup than it did to watch the games. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On December 04 2009 20:12 Holgerius wrote: Lol; OSL Day 3, 1234 posts. OSL Day 4, 332. Today wasn't very epic, was it? I just watched the vods of the games i missed, and it was so bad. The whole ro16 is just so bad. Only flash v stork was good. | ||
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On December 04 2009 20:18 MuffinDude wrote: I just watched the vods of the games i missed, and it was so bad. The whole ro16 is just so bad. Only flash v stork was good. Zero versus Hwasin dude! | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
i appreciate it though | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On December 04 2009 20:18 MuffinDude wrote: I just watched the vods of the games i missed, and it was so bad. The whole ro16 is just so bad. Only flash v stork was good. Zero vs Hwasin was better than Flash vs Stork and Stork vs Typeb was decent I suppose. An average day of 2 msl groups had more good games than the 4 days combined which is sad, its not all about name value. | ||
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Tyxiquale
Australia424 Posts
if flash doesn't win a league this season, he never will. | ||
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
On December 04 2009 20:27 Tyxiquale wrote: Everything is falling into place for Flash to win either one of the leagues. Big names falling over, mediocre players going to the next stage, violet and lux out of both leagues, and owning it up in proleague.. if flash doesn't win a league this season, he never will. There is still an obstacle on Flash's path, and a pretty big one: Jaedong. Jaedong is going to win both leagues this season. | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
On December 04 2009 20:30 JohnBall wrote: There is still an obstacle on Flash's path, and a pretty big one: Jaedong. Jaedong is going to win both leagues this season. i bet on jaedong to win both ones too | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
quiet fellow JD fans lets not jinx it too quickly? lets be silent and enjoy the victories, and when the time comes savor the moment | ||
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Presony-Boy
Israel812 Posts
WTF >< i expected it to be like 50/50 gj calm. | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On December 04 2009 20:58 Presony-Boy wrote: WTF >< i expected it to be like 50/50 gj calm. With this new fella clam playing you can never be sure. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 04 2009 20:30 JohnBall wrote: There is still an obstacle on Flash's path, and a pretty big one: Jaedong. Jaedong is going to win both leagues this season. No way is Jaedong a favorite over Flash. Jaedongs ZvT is his worst matchup too. | ||
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AlTheCake
Canada1071 Posts
On December 04 2009 21:46 konadora wrote: 1/4 liquibet lawl Lol me too -.- What is the world coming to? ): | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On December 04 2009 21:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No way is Jaedong a favorite over Flash. Jaedongs ZvT is his worst matchup too. worst match up or not, its still the best in the world and a favorite over any Terran and it does its job, tell me who other than Flash and Forgg beat JD in a series since Ever 07? Flash is not a favorite over JD, they are even, and theyll be sure to meet this season in one of the leagues, and when they do, we'll know who is the better player. | ||
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
my liquibet got served too.. | ||
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Gumbo
Canada807 Posts
On December 04 2009 21:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No way is Jaedong a favorite over Flash. Jaedongs ZvT is his worst matchup too. No way is Flash a favorite over Jaedong. Jaedong is the best starcraft player in the world. | ||
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Sweden373 Posts
On December 04 2009 22:29 Gumbo wrote: No way is Flash a favorite over Jaedong. Jaedong is the best starcraft player in the world. Wth?? Srsly? Atm Flash is without a doubt the best player in the world bar none. Jaedong has dropped to many games to people he shouldnt have lost in the first place(in his JvZ matchup to boot) while flash has just been tearing it up all over the place. | ||
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PangO
Chile1870 Posts
Definetly good job by Movie there | ||
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qpirateking
United States17 Posts
On December 04 2009 22:45 Kreedit wrote: Wth?? Srsly? Atm Flash is without a doubt the best player in the world bar none. Jaedong has dropped to many games to people he shouldnt have lost in the first place(in his JvZ matchup to boot) while flash has just been tearing it up all over the place. The problem with what you're saying is that Flash hasn't been "tearing it up" against Protoss. Flash admits this, and his record against good protoss hasn't been good. There isn't a matchup right now that JD really has a problem with unless you really want to read a lot into the losses in what has traditionally been a very volatile matchup. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
Jaedong might have dropped a couple of games but he's still very beastly when it comes to games that matter. Flash is looking good in TvZ. But most if not all of his victims weren't of his equal skill level. Yarnc could have been a good test if he hadn't been slumping like shit. At the moment, Flash is looking ridiculously good. But that doesn't mean he's the best. I'm not a Flash hater, in fact I really love watching him play. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10716 Posts
Flash is probably the only one right now that could beat JDy, but I wouldn't go over 50/50 chance. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Jaedong even hints that EffOrt is better in the mu during the MSL group selection. | ||
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United States10328 Posts
On December 04 2009 23:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I will go out on a limb and say that EffOrt has better ZvT than Jaedong. maybe, but if he keeps losing ZvZs like this... he can't even advance now can he? edit: also lol remember when, in the words of the PR, "Jaedong is ZvT"? (though I guess it would be "was" now) | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 04 2009 23:19 ]343[ wrote: maybe, but if he keeps losing ZvZs like this... he can't even advance now can he? edit: also lol remember when, in the words of the PR, "Jaedong is ZvT"? (though I guess it would be "was" now) That was when Jaedongs ZvP was considered terrible. Not really relevant anymore. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
But in the other MUs, Flash edges Jaedong out a bit because he's been so stable. This month, they're on par, but that would be disregarding their recent months beforehand. | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On December 04 2009 23:39 Art.FeeL wrote: For me it seems that Jaedong is simply training more for individual leagues than for pl. that's why is undefeated in both OSL and MSL while he is 8-5 in pl Can't say he's played any proven good players in the OSL and MSL though. go.go, pusan, crazyhydra. The only semi-proven good player he's beaten is Stats. But it was on the zerg campy map. Also, damn it, type-b better beat Flash... comeon upsets!!! | ||
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
I can't believe I'm rooting for shine to beat Calm now. | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
On December 04 2009 21:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No way is Jaedong a favorite over Flash. Jaedongs ZvT is his worst matchup too. historically, flash tends to lose against jaedong http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=424&part=games&vs=211&league=any&map=any&from_year=2007&from_month=3&from_day=15&to_year=2009&to_month=12&to_day=2&action=Update | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10716 Posts
But calling anyone a favorite over Jaedong in an important SERIES is just not very realistic. In a BO1 i would probably favour Flash, in a BO3 or 5? No way. | ||
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United States4130 Posts
On December 04 2009 23:43 lone_hydra wrote: Can't say he's played any proven good players in the OSL and MSL though. go.go, pusan, crazyhydra. The only semi-proven good player he's beaten is Stats. But it was on the zerg campy map. Also, damn it, type-b better beat Flash... comeon upsets!!! I would say go.go is a lot more proven than Stats, even if everyone dislikes him. | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
On December 04 2009 23:56 lone_hydra wrote: Wow, group A is gonna be so unmotivated to deliver any good games. go.go and Pusan are out so I hope both guys just cheese to make it interesting. I have to say, I am not that impressed with movie's wins here. Both wins came from cheese and rushes. Hope to see some standard an motivated play vs. Jaedong. JD vs Movie should still matter. It needs to be played in order to determine who finishes 1st and who finishes 2nd in the group, because I think that the ones who finished 2nd in their group will go on to meet someone who finished 1st in their group in the Ro8. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
On December 04 2009 22:45 Kreedit wrote: Wth?? Srsly? Atm Flash is without a doubt the best player in the world bar none. Jaedong has dropped to many games to people he shouldnt have lost in the first place(in his JvZ matchup to boot) while flash has just been tearing it up all over the place. JD's only losses have been to Z's in PL (which all have become better, not surprising concidering the amount of ZvZs played so far), but he's still 8-5 this PL-season. He also completely tore up his groups, going 2-0 in both MSL and OSL - Flash still has the chance of getting dropped unless he wins against type-b. JD has always been ridiculously strong in individual leagues, especially in BO#'s, Flash is in no way a safe bet against him. | ||
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Russian Federation405 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
thanks to pusan who essentially turned the game into a coin flip | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
Hopefully they meet in both of the finals and split them, with both being epic 3-2 series :D edit: Actually I wouldn't mind seeing Stork or Fantasy take the OSL either. We can pray for a Stork/Fantasy/JD/Flash semifinal, can we not? (Please don't tell me that's impossible because Stork and Flash are in the same group =/) | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On December 04 2009 18:51 Garnet wrote: By wearing that mask it was obvious that Movie was going for DT. Too bad Pusan didn't get the hint. Ha! I didn't think of that. On December 04 2009 18:55 Crunchums wrote: I dunno why you guys are talking about Movie being good or Pusan being bad - that was as close to Paper beating Rock as you'll ever see in starcraft. More like Scissors beating Paper, IMO.v On December 05 2009 01:57 OneOther wrote: pusan vs movie was the worst pvp ive seen thanks to pusan who essentially turned the game into a coin flip QFT | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
After I post the "state" of things for advancing in the OSL for each group: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Group A] + + Show Spoiler [Group B] + ZerO is in if he beats Pure or if Hwasin beats Yarnc. YellOw[ArnC] is in if he beats Hwasin and Zero beats Pure. Pure is in if Hwasin beats Yarnc and he beats Zero. Those three have a tiebreaker if Pure beats Zero and Yarnc beats Hwasin. Hwasin has a chance if he beats Yarnc, Zero beats Pure and Hwasin goes 2-0 in tiebreakers.+ Show Spoiler [Group C] + Shine is in if he beats Calm or if Effort beats Fantasy. fantasy is in if he beats Effort and Shine beats Calm. Calm is in if he beats Shine and Effort beats Fantasy. All three have a tiebreaker if Calm beats Shine and Fantasy beats Effort. EffOrt has a chance if he beats Fantasy, Shine beats Calm and Effort goes 2-0 in tiebreakers.+ Show Spoiler [Group D] + Stork is in if he beats Kwanro or if type-b beats Flash. Flash is in if he beats type-b and Stork beats Kwanro. Kwanro is in if he beats Stork and type-b beats FlashThose three have a tiebreaker if Kwanro beats Stork and Flash beats type-b. type-b has a chance to qualify if he beats Flash and Stork beats Kwanro and type-b goes 2-0 in tiebreakers. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On December 05 2009 01:59 Djabanete wrote: If neither Jaedong nor Flash wins a league this season, I'm going to cry. Hopefully they meet in both of the finals and split them, with both being epic 3-2 series :D edit: Actually I wouldn't mind seeing Stork or Fantasy take the OSL either. We can pray for a Stork/Fantasy/JD/Flash semifinal, can we not? (Please don't tell me that's impossible because Stork and Flash are in the same group =/) its impossible cause Effort will rape fantasy | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On December 04 2009 23:08 nayumi wrote: Jaedong vs Flash is a 50/50. Jaedong might have dropped a couple of games but he's still very beastly when it comes to games that matter. Flash is looking good in TvZ. But most if not all of his victims weren't of his equal skill level. Yarnc could have been a good test if he hadn't been slumping like shit. At the moment, Flash is looking ridiculously good. But that doesn't mean he's the best. I'm not a Flash hater, in fact I really love watching him play. Yeah really the only players Flash could test his TvZ is JD , Zero , Effort or Calm if Calm doesn't choke ala vs Fantasy . I also think their equall , and yeah Jaedong drops ZvZ , but his game against Crazy Hidra has convinced me that he still is the best or one of the best ZvZers out there . You can't really tell who is the best player right now unless they meet each other or one of them epic fails in a league . | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
On December 04 2009 22:57 qpirateking wrote: The problem with what you're saying is that Flash hasn't been "tearing it up" against Stork and Best. Flash admits this, and his record against good protoss hasn't been good. There isn't a matchup right now that JD really has a problem with unless you really want to read a lot into the losses in what has traditionally been a very volatile matchup. I wouldn't blame him for this | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
He hasn't really been winning against any good PvT player for a while though, if you check up on his records. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
The misspelling of the word El Nino for the Yarnc vs. Zero match. Compare: 엘리뇨 (in the game) vs. 엘니뇨 (what it should be). Just a small thing that made me lol, el lino... Edit: Woah, this isn't the first time they've done it either... o.O | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On December 05 2009 00:58 Cpadolf wrote: JD vs Movie should still matter. It needs to be played in order to determine who finishes 1st and who finishes 2nd in the group, because I think that the ones who finished 2nd in their group will go on to meet someone who finished 1st in their group in the Ro8. I expect Movie to cheese, he's not going to take this game seriously. go.go and Pusan...I don't really care. | ||
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Crt
247 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On December 04 2009 22:57 qpirateking wrote: The problem with what you're saying is that Flash hasn't been "tearing it up" against Protoss. Flash admits this, and his record against good protoss hasn't been good. There isn't a matchup right now that JD really has a problem with unless you really want to read a lot into the losses in what has traditionally been a very volatile matchup. Flash hasn't been looking good against Protoss because he's been playing Terran and Zerg nonstop. It's not like Flash's TvP is bad. | ||
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
On December 05 2009 02:43 Ideas wrote: maybe im just biased because calm won but I thought calm was effort was pretty good Eh just by builds Calm was ahead and then a couple little things just secured it for him. Then it became Effort hopelessly going for an expansion then death =) | ||
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