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People shouldn't freak. hero has ridiculous ZvP.. and anytime ain't exactly on fire anymore..
but forget all that
GO FLASH  !!!
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On October 16 2009 01:37 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 21:23 exeprime wrote:On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions. Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame. It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy. Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something. You should watch Movies PvZ. Being a dick with storms isn't a "revolution", it's just what Protoss have always been doing.
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On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins.
So tell me, mister expert, what exactly is this "everything" that protoss won recently? In the entire history of the MSL, only two protoss players have held the trophy. Similarly, there have been a total of two protoss OSL wins (anytime, stork) in the last five years.
Blaming racial imbalance for every loss is stupid; inventing mythical periods of protoss triumph is not much of an improvement.
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Argh! I can't wait for the VOD of game 3. It sucks when Starcraft viewing time and lecture hours overlap.
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On October 16 2009 02:55 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. So tell me, mister expert, what exactly is this "everything" that protoss won recently? In the entire history of the MSL, only two protoss players have held the trophy. Similarly, there have been a total of two protoss OSL wins (anytime, stork) in the last five years. Blaming racial imbalance for every loss is stupid; inventing mythical periods of protoss triumph is not much of an improvement. You haven't heard of the "Taek-bang era"?
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On October 16 2009 03:11 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2009 02:55 city42 wrote:On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. So tell me, mister expert, what exactly is this "everything" that protoss won recently? In the entire history of the MSL, only two protoss players have held the trophy. Similarly, there have been a total of two protoss OSL wins (anytime, stork) in the last five years. Blaming racial imbalance for every loss is stupid; inventing mythical periods of protoss triumph is not much of an improvement. You haven't heard of the "Taek-bang era"?
So one OSL and one MSL constitutes a time when "protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything" then? In that case, I'd like to go ahead and bow down to the overmind, since zerg has won the last two of each. Clearly zerg is invincible right now and resistance is futile.
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FlaSh you are on fire this season. KEEP IT UP!
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On October 16 2009 01:37 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 21:23 exeprime wrote:On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions. Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame. It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy. Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something. You should watch Movies PvZ.
I did. CJ vs STX, proleague, a few days ago. He got some decent harass with reaver + zealots, had a hero DT taking down 11 drones, had a storm drop that also took down a bunch, and STILL got overwhelmed (yay Calm)
And yeah, i know you mean his game vs. JD. Unfortunately, a single game doesn't change the matchup. If it evolves into a valid opening, I'll be happy as hell! But it hasn't yet.
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On October 16 2009 03:22 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2009 03:11 Zozma wrote:On October 16 2009 02:55 city42 wrote:On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. So tell me, mister expert, what exactly is this "everything" that protoss won recently? In the entire history of the MSL, only two protoss players have held the trophy. Similarly, there have been a total of two protoss OSL wins (anytime, stork) in the last five years. Blaming racial imbalance for every loss is stupid; inventing mythical periods of protoss triumph is not much of an improvement. You haven't heard of the "Taek-bang era"? So one OSL and one MSL constitutes a time when "protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything" then? In that case, I'd like to go ahead and bow down to the overmind, since zerg has won the last two of each. Clearly zerg is invincible right now and resistance is futile. I don't remember saying that it isn't a Zerg era currently. But if you don't know how much the six dragons were raping back then, I can only think you weren't paying attention.
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me want flash. no youtube in china. dashi'tall!
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Um, people do know by.hero has amazing ZvP right? And that Daezang and Anytime aren't exactly at the tops of their games anymore? Hero beating them would be the expected result anyway, so this seems like a weird topic to be complaining about ZvP imbalance in.
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mang that was on the level of bachus osl and star inventational play. Going for the 4th individual leauge title and 2th Starleauge title?
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Let's not get too ahead of ourselves... but Flash is looking real good lately.
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On October 16 2009 03:20 OneOther wrote:
didn't last long lol =[
6 dragon era is also taek bang era
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Mmmm... donuts... I mean Flash. But the map is donut-shaped.
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Yea Hoejjas ZvP is basically ling abuse and defiler abuse...he doesnt just make a lot of hydras. I mean that seems to pretty much be hero's zvp, if you see his games with bisu his macro is pretty overwhelming. I do not claim to know the intricacies of his style I was just pointing out that ktf zerg tend to more annoying with lurker ling/defiler than just mass hydra.
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On October 16 2009 02:23 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2009 01:37 FireGuyX wrote:On October 15 2009 21:23 exeprime wrote:On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions. Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame. It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy. Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something. You should watch Movies PvZ. Being a dick with storms isn't a "revolution", it's just what Protoss have always been doing.
I'm not saying Movies PvZ is revolutionary, but Movies PvZ proves that zerg isn't unstoppable against Protoss.
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