• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:50
CEST 05:50
KST 12:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy9[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple2BSL Season 237Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon101Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 544 Double Trouble The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses Mutation # 542 The Ascended
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder PLAYzone Challenge - open offline tour in Prague BSL Season 23 BW General Discussion NaDa's Body
Tourneys
PLAYzone Challenge - open offline tour in Prague [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL22] Ro16 Group D [ASL22] Ro8 Day 1
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine All you football fans (soccer)!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Gaming Intensity, Problemati…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8425 users

[MST] Group 5 - Page 18

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 Next All
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
October 15 2009 17:09 GMT
#341
People shouldn't freak. hero has ridiculous ZvP.. and anytime ain't exactly on fire anymore..

but forget all that

GO FLASH !!!
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
October 15 2009 17:23 GMT
#342
On October 16 2009 01:37 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 21:23 exeprime wrote:
On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!

I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.

Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins.


It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions.

Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame.


It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy.

Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something.


You should watch Movies PvZ.
Being a dick with storms isn't a "revolution", it's just what Protoss have always been doing.
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
October 15 2009 17:55 GMT
#343
On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!

I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.

Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins.

So tell me, mister expert, what exactly is this "everything" that protoss won recently? In the entire history of the MSL, only two protoss players have held the trophy. Similarly, there have been a total of two protoss OSL wins (anytime, stork) in the last five years.

Blaming racial imbalance for every loss is stupid; inventing mythical periods of protoss triumph is not much of an improvement.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
October 15 2009 18:08 GMT
#344
Argh! I can't wait for the VOD of game 3. It sucks when Starcraft viewing time and lecture hours overlap.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
October 15 2009 18:11 GMT
#345
On October 16 2009 02:55 city42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!

I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.

Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins.

So tell me, mister expert, what exactly is this "everything" that protoss won recently? In the entire history of the MSL, only two protoss players have held the trophy. Similarly, there have been a total of two protoss OSL wins (anytime, stork) in the last five years.

Blaming racial imbalance for every loss is stupid; inventing mythical periods of protoss triumph is not much of an improvement.
You haven't heard of the "Taek-bang era"?
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 15 2009 18:20 GMT
#346
didn't last long lol =[
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
October 15 2009 18:22 GMT
#347
On October 16 2009 03:11 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2009 02:55 city42 wrote:
On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!

I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.

Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins.

So tell me, mister expert, what exactly is this "everything" that protoss won recently? In the entire history of the MSL, only two protoss players have held the trophy. Similarly, there have been a total of two protoss OSL wins (anytime, stork) in the last five years.

Blaming racial imbalance for every loss is stupid; inventing mythical periods of protoss triumph is not much of an improvement.
You haven't heard of the "Taek-bang era"?

So one OSL and one MSL constitutes a time when "protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything" then? In that case, I'd like to go ahead and bow down to the overmind, since zerg has won the last two of each. Clearly zerg is invincible right now and resistance is futile.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
October 15 2009 18:24 GMT
#348
FlaSh you are on fire this season. KEEP IT UP!
Graphics
exeprime
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United Kingdom643 Posts
October 15 2009 19:02 GMT
#349
On October 16 2009 01:37 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 21:23 exeprime wrote:
On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!

I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.

Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins.


It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions.

Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame.


It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy.

Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something.


You should watch Movies PvZ.


I did. CJ vs STX, proleague, a few days ago. He got some decent harass with reaver + zealots, had a hero DT taking down 11 drones, had a storm drop that also took down a bunch, and STILL got overwhelmed (yay Calm)

And yeah, i know you mean his game vs. JD. Unfortunately, a single game doesn't change the matchup. If it evolves into a valid opening, I'll be happy as hell! But it hasn't yet.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
October 15 2009 19:04 GMT
#350
On October 16 2009 03:22 city42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2009 03:11 Zozma wrote:
On October 16 2009 02:55 city42 wrote:
On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!

I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.

Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins.

So tell me, mister expert, what exactly is this "everything" that protoss won recently? In the entire history of the MSL, only two protoss players have held the trophy. Similarly, there have been a total of two protoss OSL wins (anytime, stork) in the last five years.

Blaming racial imbalance for every loss is stupid; inventing mythical periods of protoss triumph is not much of an improvement.
You haven't heard of the "Taek-bang era"?

So one OSL and one MSL constitutes a time when "protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything" then? In that case, I'd like to go ahead and bow down to the overmind, since zerg has won the last two of each. Clearly zerg is invincible right now and resistance is futile.
I don't remember saying that it isn't a Zerg era currently. But if you don't know how much the six dragons were raping back then, I can only think you weren't paying attention.
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
October 15 2009 19:51 GMT
#351
me want flash. no youtube in china. dashi'tall!
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
October 15 2009 19:58 GMT
#352
Um, people do know by.hero has amazing ZvP right? And that Daezang and Anytime aren't exactly at the tops of their games anymore? Hero beating them would be the expected result anyway, so this seems like a weird topic to be complaining about ZvP imbalance in.
Zero fighting.
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
October 15 2009 21:08 GMT
#353
I just watched Flash vs Hero... just complete and utter ownage.

VOD here: http://www.wfbrood.com/xingji/hanguoxingji/xingji_41643.html
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
October 15 2009 21:17 GMT
#354
mang that was on the level of bachus osl and star inventational play. Going for the 4th individual leauge title and 2th Starleauge title?
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
October 15 2009 21:32 GMT
#355
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves... but Flash is looking real good lately.
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
October 15 2009 21:45 GMT
#356
On October 16 2009 03:20 OneOther wrote:
didn't last long lol =[

6 dragon era is also taek bang era
......::::........::::........::::........::::........::::.......::::.......::::... Up☆MaGiC ...::::.......::::.......::::........::::........::::........::::........
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 15 2009 21:52 GMT
#357
yes i know
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
October 15 2009 22:15 GMT
#358
On October 16 2009 06:08 Orbifold wrote:
I just watched Flash vs Hero... just complete and utter ownage.

VOD here: http://www.wfbrood.com/xingji/hanguoxingji/xingji_41643.html

Mmmm... donuts... I mean Flash. But the map is donut-shaped.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
October 15 2009 23:38 GMT
#359
Yea Hoejjas ZvP is basically ling abuse and defiler abuse...he doesnt just make a lot of hydras. I mean that seems to pretty much be hero's zvp, if you see his games with bisu his macro is pretty overwhelming. I do not claim to know the intricacies of his style I was just pointing out that ktf zerg tend to more annoying with lurker ling/defiler than just mass hydra.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
October 16 2009 01:40 GMT
#360
On October 16 2009 02:23 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2009 01:37 FireGuyX wrote:
On October 15 2009 21:23 exeprime wrote:
On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!

I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.

Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins.


It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions.

Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame.


It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy.

Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something.


You should watch Movies PvZ.
Being a dick with storms isn't a "revolution", it's just what Protoss have always been doing.


I'm not saying Movies PvZ is revolutionary, but Movies PvZ proves that zerg isn't unstoppable against Protoss.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 10m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 233
Nina 86
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 6165
Terrorterran 12
Dota 2
monkeys_forever983
NeuroSwarm195
febbydoto49
League of Legends
JimRising 699
Counter-Strike
taco 695
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox649
Other Games
summit1g10997
WinterStarcraft426
C9.Mang0344
ViBE171
Maynarde164
PiGStarcraft156
UpATreeSC58
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1181
StarCraft: Brood War
Afreeca ASL 446
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 113
• mYiSmile112
• practicex 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki9
• Pr0nogo 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo917
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
6h 10m
Replay Cast
20h 10m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 23h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
GSL
3 days
Yamato Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Soma vs Jaedong
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Leta vs Soulkey
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.