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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
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exeprime
United Kingdom643 Posts
On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote: seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old! I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard. Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions. Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame. It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy. Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something. | ||
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Bearded Elder29906 Posts
Go hero, Your ZvP so sexy ! | ||
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magh
Sweden95 Posts
On October 15 2009 21:23 exeprime wrote: It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions. Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame. It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy. Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something. You are absolutely right. I am sick of all Protoss players shouting "IMBA!", not because they are totally wrong, because they are right in one way, but because they are aiming the "imba" in the wrong direction. It is not the game that's imba. It is not the matchup that's imba. It is the current metagame of the matchup ZvP that has shifted strongly in zergs favor. Zerg players have adapted and worked a long time, and hard, for a counter to protoss FE, and the "new" style of play protoss is throwing at them (+1 zeal/archons -> templars and what not). And we have reached a point where zerg have found the perfect counter. So, what to do? Patch the entire game? No. Protoss just have to come up with a new strategy, maybe change their entire mindset. It is now the Protoss players turn to figure out a perfect counter. Please understand this. | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
One more game arrrgh! | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
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Bearded Elder29906 Posts
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jtype
England2167 Posts
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
No matter the state of mete game balance right now, the result was the expected one. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On October 15 2009 22:44 jtype wrote: LoL! Did the OP change his predictions after the results got in? I'm sure I remember seeing that he predicted Anytime and Flash to go through.. Nope, I remember OP like that. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On October 15 2009 22:44 jtype wrote: LoL! Did the OP change his predictions after the results got in? I'm sure I remember seeing that he predicted Anytime and Flash to go through.. Why would he change it to make himself right, only to be wrong about Daezang vs Anytime? :> | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On October 15 2009 22:36 RamenStyle wrote: Too many people seems to underestimate by.hero. Weren't it for Calm, who is a top3 zerg, Hero could be a perfectly capable zerg ace for STX, maybe not a star ace, but a solid one at least. +1. Hero's solid and awesome. | ||
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koreasilver
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
go look at the map list and tell me that again. if you still believe the same thing, then i don't know what to tell you. yes, it looks like protoss players need to adapt but stop making it sound like there's some simple and magical solution that can make the matchup balanced again | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On October 15 2009 21:23 exeprime wrote: It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions. Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame. It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy. Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something. You should watch Movies PvZ. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On October 15 2009 22:38 crucifix wrote: Hero has still a lot to learn, comparing to Calm he lacks of experience and IMO his one, solid matchup is ZvP. I thought his ZvT looked great when defeated Hwsain in the Bachuus OSL, and Hwasin was at the top of his form during that time too. | ||
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