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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
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October 14 2009, 18:30 KST, 5:30 EST, 11:30 CET, Channel MBC
Results+ Show Spoiler +Flash > Daezang
By.hero > Anytime
Flash > By.hero --> Flash advances to Ro32
Daezang > Anytime
By.hero > Daezang --> By.hero advances to Ro32
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United States11390 Posts
Anytime and Hero making it through would be love. <3
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
DaezanG will pwn ! You hear it here first !
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
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flash and hero, although anytime > hero would be awesome.
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New ELO peak for Flash if he 2-0s this group. Please play it safe in the early game like you did against Kwanro, you know nobody in this group is going to try to play standard against you!
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cant see flash not making it
i dont know there's something new about flash these last games
maybe the new uniforms .... he truely looks like the old terminator (not the one in 3 where he wears the pink glasses but in one where he clean his inside of a hand with a stick)
the way he dismantled + Show Spoiler +
really since jaedong wont have any new games beside proleague i expect flash to break a new score in elo
and good for him
go flash !!!!
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I think flash will 2-0 easily as long as he watches for cheese. I really would like to see anytime advance but i think he has his work cut out for him against hero.
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Flash should rape this group. Don't care about who else advances.
Go Flash!
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If Flash doesn't make it I will eat my ... uhh ... better not do this
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On October 15 2009 09:46 darktreb wrote:
If Flash doesn't make it I will eat my ... uhh ... better not do this
Don't you dare jinx it like you guys did with Fantasy and Bisu!
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If Flash gets elminated i will take a one week ban in my heroes honor.
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On October 15 2009 09:46 darktreb wrote:
If Flash doesn't make it I will eat my ... uhh ... better not do this
Still trying to think of a way to make my hat taste good.  Damn you Bisu...
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On October 15 2009 10:09 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 09:46 darktreb wrote:
If Flash doesn't make it I will eat my ... uhh ... better not do this Still trying to think of a way to make my hat taste good. Damn you Bisu...
joke is dead. Chill out.
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On October 15 2009 10:27 m3rciless wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 10:09 Holgerius wrote:On October 15 2009 09:46 darktreb wrote:
If Flash doesn't make it I will eat my ... uhh ... better not do this Still trying to think of a way to make my hat taste good. Damn you Bisu... joke is dead. Chill out.
And who are you to say that. A bitter T1 fan? He's going to have to eat his hat, you can't affect it, and it's not a joke. =)
About this group, Flash 2-0 ezpz
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this group makes me sad, i like all of these players. im hoping that at least one of anytime/daezang will make it tho
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On October 15 2009 10:07 arb wrote:
If Flash gets elminated i will take a one week ban in my heroes honor.
Me too!
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On October 15 2009 10:27 m3rciless wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 10:09 Holgerius wrote:On October 15 2009 09:46 darktreb wrote:
If Flash doesn't make it I will eat my ... uhh ... better not do this Still trying to think of a way to make my hat taste good. Damn you Bisu... joke is dead. Chill out.
Lmao bitter much? People can joke as much as they want, you should be the one chilling out.
Also, go Flash go!
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there is absolutely no reason for flash to get knocked out of the MSL with these scrubs
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flash has got this in the bag. SO DOES ANYTIME!!
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Flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaash.
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Anytime has another single league run in him, gogo.
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Flash baby, just go 2:0 tonight, k?
+ Show Spoiler +Do it for me, do it for us, do it for,,,
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While I'd prefer Flash, I"m okay with anyone in this group qualifying. By.hero was crazy fun to watch in his OSL run, and DaezanG and Anytime are both awesome. I really hope it's Flash and one of the protoss, though, since this tournament is already zerg heavy and some more terrans and protosses will balance it out to make it a lot more enjoyable.
It just seems unlikely, though, that By.hero will lose to either of them. His ZvP is monstrous.
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United States10328 Posts
flash easy. but... the other 3... ahhh I like them all probably hero though.
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Flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaash and one of the tosses!
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
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MST Group 4 Spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +
Looks like Flash is Terran's last hope in MSL now.
After seeing fantasy and Leta lose to people they absolutely shouldn't have lost to, I'm worried about Flash tonight. There's no way he SHOULD lose with his group, but neither should fantasy or Leta.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
I see by.hero getting out of this group pretty easily. His ZvP is gonna carry him through the group no matter what.
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Get ready for huge upsets. theres only upsets happening right now.
Same predictions =)
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On October 15 2009 16:17 Hinanawi wrote:MST Group 4 Spoiler + Show Spoiler +
Looks like Flash is Terran's last hope in MSL now.
After seeing fantasy and Leta lose to people they absolutely shouldn't have lost to, I'm worried about Flash tonight. There's no way he SHOULD lose with his group, but neither should fantasy or Leta.
Remaining Terrans with chances to qualify:
Flash
Ruby
ForGG
Gogo
Skyhigh
Light
Mind
Upmagic
Bogus
+ Show Spoiler [group 4 spoilers included] +]With exception to Fantasy and Leta, we've still got most of the good terrans left with chances to qualify (As Hwasin qualified and Iris is seeded)
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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lets get this party started!
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Time to shine flash, waited so long for this.
This group is way too easy though lol, deazang and hero are going to get raped so hard.
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I don't know exactly why, but my vote goes to Flash and Daezang advancing.. :O
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Uhhh have the games started or whats going on? i just got home
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Dont worry about flash.
I reckon he looks older, more confident.
Flash will take this MSL.
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51443 Posts
Alright, http://c.zeroboy.net/solinren will be streaming Korean commentary when our event ends (be half an hour to an hour).
K-Pop takes priority over SC at the moment.
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
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On October 15 2009 18:34 GTR wrote:Alright, http://c.zeroboy.net/solinren will be streaming Korean commentary when our event ends (be half an hour to an hour). K-Pop takes priority over SC at the moment.
Is this a joke? -_-
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Wow you kpop people...:-p
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On October 15 2009 18:36 Scaramanga wrote:Is this a joke? -_-
no, they love k-pop
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51443 Posts
On October 15 2009 18:36 Scaramanga wrote:Is this a joke? -_-
No.
If you want to watch Flash, watch on konadora if he is streaming or get on the UUSee stream.
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konadora's stream is working at the moment.
edit: with chinese commentary though.
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Thank you Konadora. You are my HERO!!!
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I dont worry about Flash given his ability to totally demolish mediocre protoss
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
lol referee on drop board
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Boy, do I hate K-pop now.
Oh, Konadora is streaming! Yay! Wait a second.. Chinese commentators! NOOOO!
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lmao referee disconnects
oh he didnt drop, still weird though, someone mustve kicked out a cable or something
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
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why pause,,,, KEPSA ftw disqualify some !
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WTF? Kespa referee with drop hack?
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I bet they will dq someone
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
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haha gotta love the chinese voice. thx for stream btw
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On October 15 2009 18:40 Holgerius wrote:Boy, do I hate K-pop now. Oh, Konadora is streaming! Yay! Wait a second.. Chinese commentators! NOOOO!
internal conflicts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
KeSPA has disqualified itself... now what are the players going to do... they can't play w/o a ref :\
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Kespa Referee drop-hacked.
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On October 15 2009 18:40 Holgerius wrote:Boy, do I hate K-pop now. Oh, Konadora is streaming! Yay! Wait a second.. Chinese commentators! NOOOO!
this one doesnt seem that bad though, i speak neither languages anyway
thanks kona, you're the man!
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On October 15 2009 18:40 Holgerius wrote:Boy, do I hate K-pop now. Oh, Konadora is streaming! Yay! Wait a second.. Chinese commentators! NOOOO!
How whiny can you get?
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good ol 14cc
thanks again kona 
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chinese commentary's awesome
I'd go outta my way to listen to that
thank you konra
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On October 15 2009 18:44 Crahptacular wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 18:40 Holgerius wrote:Boy, do I hate K-pop now. Oh, Konadora is streaming! Yay! Wait a second.. Chinese commentators! NOOOO! How whiny can you get?
Who is most whiny; the whiner or the guy who whines about the whiner?
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How about the guy that whines about the guy that whines about the...oh crap.
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On October 15 2009 18:47 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 18:44 Crahptacular wrote:On October 15 2009 18:40 Holgerius wrote:Boy, do I hate K-pop now. Oh, Konadora is streaming! Yay! Wait a second.. Chinese commentators! NOOOO! How whiny can you get? Who is most whiny; the whiner or the guy who whines about the whiner?
based on your theory, you
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On October 15 2009 18:47 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 18:44 Crahptacular wrote:On October 15 2009 18:40 Holgerius wrote:Boy, do I hate K-pop now. Oh, Konadora is streaming! Yay! Wait a second.. Chinese commentators! NOOOO! How whiny can you get? Who is most whiny; the whiner or the guy who whines about the whiner?
contributing to useless posts with another useless post
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Ah 1 fac 3 cc, looks like flash fails to relise whats going on, easy game for daezang now but flash will most likely win
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
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Is Daezang completely retarded?
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OMG no way he "fell" for that... such a mistake.
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ROFL Daezang are you C- noob O.o
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daezang just got roflstomped, too much pressure!
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Flash seems to be being really careless with his vults.
Edit: Crap I missed the cool thing.
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and boom goes the dynamite
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WHAT 20 PROBES JUST WENT BOOOM
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OMG, AHAHAHAHAHA! Daezang, what the fuck was that? :D
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A pro gamer didnt just do that
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Seriously... that was completely avoidable..
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omggggg... how many probes was that lol?
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
Best mine probe destruction i ever see ;D
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typical, good harass triggers a push that you cant defend
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Daezang pissed and counters lol.
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thats a pretty tight wall in for the probes :p
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
Wow protoss is so gay wtf
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flash would be way behind without that drop
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ninja expansion remains ninja
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
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Daezang has no idea about the hidden expo.
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Terrible recalls everywhere
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lol daezang is sacrificing lots of units for nothing TT
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wow fail recalls one after another stop pls :o
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I don't think Daezang listened to Day9's podcast about "sidestepping".. 
Trying to attack Flash at his strongest locations doesn't seem terribly wise.
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after an impressive start
daezang's getting rolled now
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progamers are soooo bad at spotting hidden expos seriously
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
Flash late-game imba mech rape time.
Daezang loses 1 main
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Here comes Flash's one-punch push.
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He can stay unsieged now...
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...and now daezang gets rolled
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
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Flash came back from a pretty bad position well
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Netherlands4987 Posts
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flash is pretty good at defense
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Flash: Hi.
Daezang: Hi, I am an old schooler watch out I am very agressive.
Flash: Bye.
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man, ninja expo (and daezang not spotting it ofc) definitely saved flash this time around.
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awesome intense game. that probesplash was great
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Flash, the only hope for big dicked vikings terrans everywhere!
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Holy crap Flash, you scared me there.
Can anyone explain why Daezang's first push was able to do so much damage?
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Flash is imba in TvP. Someone nerf that guy plz.
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Good thing Zergs are going to kill all the top-tier Protoss this season cause Flash sure won't playing like that
I'm surprised by his really sloppy early game - he blocked Daezang's 4th from going up like 4 times and killed like 15 Probes at his main yet still was in danger. I thought after he held the 3 base heavy army push he was good to go but even then if Daezang had found the hidden expo it would have been rough.
Come on Flash, your TvP needs to be better than this (or maybe not this season haha)
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Awful game from Daezang. Yeah, he was facing Flash so he should get streamrolled in the end, but that doesn't really excuse his own stupid decisions.
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Nice attack from daezang in the midgame, he read flash pretty well there.
Pretty good game, as always incredible defense from flash and it looks like he has upped his harass skills as well.
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T is looking really vulnerable against P lately...or at least, the Top Terrans (Flash, Fantasy) are.
Scary stuff. Good defense as always by Flash saves the day.
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
On October 15 2009 19:02 radadaundandan wrote:
Flash: Hi.
Daezang: Hi, I am an old schooler watch out I am very agressive.
Flash: Bye.
i lol'd
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Of course all is temporary, but recent trend is like Z > P, P => T, Z = T.
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okay, on daezang's defense, his first 2 recalls were good in terms of placement, but they sucked in terms of damage lol. he basically got 1 armory and a few depots, definetly not woth the death of 2 control groups and 2 high-energy arbiters. his 3rd and 4th recall attempts were bad, both in terms of placement and damage. the 3rd one died before it even recalled but it was a good thing that it died cuz the field was mined all over, and the 4th recall was a desperate one, also on top of a few mines but in the middle of a terran control group, so it melted. and his 5th recall was just silly...that nexus was gonna go down anyway, he should have saved the energy and just cleared the mines -_-
seriously, stasis > recall. you cant recall all your units cuz the terran will clean up the recall 99.9% of the time and then u have no army left. to make matters worse, daezang had less than 8 gateways running this whole game.
sigh...daezang completely lost his head after the mine-drag into his mineral line. he could have had an awesome come back game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i still love him though, this was a close game, not a very high quality one, but a close game nonetheless. i just wish he would have had some more balls, he could have killed flash right after that double stasis at flash's choke. SAD FACE
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Oh by the way, Anytime fighting! Though I fear he's gonna get rolled by hero. T_T
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ANYTIME HWAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On October 15 2009 19:09 Dice wrote:
Oh by the way, Anytime fighting! Though I fear he's gonna get rolled by hero. T_T
Hard to see any P beating hero right now ... we'll see though.
Last P to beat hero fairly straight up was Movie (the baller) twice in the last MST. Kal also beat him in GOM but I remember that series and hero definitely blew a won series (preventable 25 kill DT among other things) to a teammate.
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How can people watch games like this and still say Fantasy is the bomb at TvP?
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
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On October 15 2009 19:13 DIMJkE wrote:
How can people watch games like this and still say Fantasy is the bomb at TvP?
Honestly it doesn't feel like Flash OR Fantasy are S-class TvP right now...might just be me, though.
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ref's comp isnt working correctly?
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Kespa is failing quite hard today.
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On October 15 2009 19:13 DIMJkE wrote:
How can people watch games like this and still say Fantasy is the bomb at TvP?
Because they are using their eyes? That was not one of Flash's better games.
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Daezan G had a really early third and a lot of units when he attacked, even after the probe rape. Flash was building a CC and trying to get an econ advantage at the time and Daezang chose a great time to attack. Flash didn't do anything wrong that game, Daezan just made a good call and came up a bit short to Flash's superior play (The ninja expo helped but honestly the roll that happened at the end there, I'm not sure he needed it).
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hero sends an Overlord and waits for a Probe to come - it doesn't so he assumes cross position and is correct
3 Hatch very early for hero now and already Anytime is "behind"
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On October 15 2009 19:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Daezan G had a really early third and a lot of units when he attacked, even after the probe rape. Flash was building a CC and trying to get an econ advantage at the time and Daezang chose a great time to attack. Flash didn't do anything wrong that game, Daezan just made a good call and came up a bit short to Flash's superior play (The ninja expo helped but honestly the roll that happened at the end there, I'm not sure he needed it).
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On October 15 2009 19:02 okum wrote:
Holy crap Flash, you scared me there.
Can anyone explain why Daezang's first push was able to do so much damage?
I wasn't watching too closely, but it looks like he was playing his fast upgrades build which is already vulnerable to timing attacks. The added dropship play only compounded the vulnerability. I'm guessing Daezang practiced hard to hit the timing window against fast upgrades but didn't expect the drop against him which cut down his reinforcements. Had he not bungled against the drop so spectacularly, I'm pretty sure we'd be seeing a lot of Flash fan tears right now amongst cries of Protoss imbalance.
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On October 15 2009 19:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Daezan G had a really early third and a lot of units when he attacked, even after the probe rape. Flash was building a CC and trying to get an econ advantage at the time and Daezang chose a great time to attack. Flash didn't do anything wrong that game, Daezan just made a good call and came up a bit short to Flash's superior play (The ninja expo helped but honestly the roll that happened at the end there, I'm not sure he needed it).
Yeah the Probe explosion definitely didn't affect the 3 base timing push that he was going for anyway.
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lol konas stream they were singing in swedish hahahahaha
Korean anime dubbed with swedish wtf
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lol those scourge need glasses
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Oh wow banned for checking in on Solin's stream, jesus.
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Hmm, progamers keep doing that a lot. Running corsairs back to a cannon, then stopping there, letting the scourges catch up when the corsair SHOULD be safe. Real sloppy, seen Jangbi and Bisu do it a few times as well.
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On October 15 2009 19:19 Syntax Lost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 19:02 okum wrote:
Holy crap Flash, you scared me there.
Can anyone explain why Daezang's first push was able to do so much damage? I wasn't watching too closely, but it looks like he was playing his fast upgrades build which is already vulnerable to timing attacks. The added dropship play only compounded the vulnerability. I'm guessing Daezang practiced hard to hit the timing window against fast upgrades but didn't expect the drop against him which cut down his reinforcements. Had he not bungled against the drop so spectacularly, I'm pretty sure we'd be seeing a lot of Flash fan tears right now amongst cries of Protoss imbalance.
Meh, Flash fans like myself have been pretty hard on him lately. Even with this win most of us are left wanting more - if he had lost he would have deserved it.
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On October 15 2009 19:21 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 19:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Daezan G had a really early third and a lot of units when he attacked, even after the probe rape. Flash was building a CC and trying to get an econ advantage at the time and Daezang chose a great time to attack. Flash didn't do anything wrong that game, Daezan just made a good call and came up a bit short to Flash's superior play (The ninja expo helped but honestly the roll that happened at the end there, I'm not sure he needed it). Yeah the Probe explosion definitely didn't affect the 3 base timing push that he was going for anyway.
I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not.
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Yes, put that harass on Sashin!
Then merge those into a DA and let's put all the theories to test!
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On October 15 2009 19:22 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Oh wow banned for checking in on Solin's stream, jesus.
qft
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On October 15 2009 19:19 Syntax Lost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 19:02 okum wrote:
Holy crap Flash, you scared me there.
Can anyone explain why Daezang's first push was able to do so much damage? I wasn't watching too closely, but it looks like he was playing his fast upgrades build which is already vulnerable to timing attacks. The added dropship play only compounded the vulnerability. I'm guessing Daezang practiced hard to hit the timing window against fast upgrades but didn't expect the drop against him which cut down his reinforcements. Had he not bungled against the drop so spectacularly, I'm pretty sure we'd be seeing a lot of Flash fan tears right now amongst cries of Protoss imbalance.
Yeah, that makes sense. It's not uncommon for Flash to get hit by that early timing attack, barely hold on, then bounce back and steamroll with his upgrades finished a bit later. It just looked a bit worse than usual this time, probably because of the dropship investment. Those vultures' mines between him and Daezang's army also could've made a difference. All the probes Flash got instead probably helped him a little in the lategame, but didn't have much influence on Daezang's push since D's units were already built.
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gah, terrible observer jumping back and forth. :[
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
True Sashin style, saving his ass with DTs
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
WTF?
LOSES 2 HTS WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
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What the hell was that? No storm energy?
Biggest letdown ever!
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Dude wtf. Anytime defended almost perfectly during the first wave and still gets rolled. :/
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On October 15 2009 19:24 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 19:21 darktreb wrote:On October 15 2009 19:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Daezan G had a really early third and a lot of units when he attacked, even after the probe rape. Flash was building a CC and trying to get an econ advantage at the time and Daezang chose a great time to attack. Flash didn't do anything wrong that game, Daezan just made a good call and came up a bit short to Flash's superior play (The ninja expo helped but honestly the roll that happened at the end there, I'm not sure he needed it). Yeah the Probe explosion definitely didn't affect the 3 base timing push that he was going for anyway. I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not.
Haha I didn't mean it to be sarcasm but I worded it poorly. In my opinion it didn't affect his initial wave (which was already being made, possibly because he planned it and possibly because Flash denied his 4th so many times) that he pushed with.
But of course it had repercussions afterward.
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
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On October 15 2009 19:28 Vasoline73 wrote:
Dude wtf. Anytime defended almost perfectly during the first wave and still gets rolled. :/
I am also disapointed...
First wave he holds and I'm saying to my self -> good next wave there will be HT + cannons to support and it should hold too.
But no... HTs were there but only 1 storm popped :/
T.T
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Haha I didn't mean it to be sarcasm but I worded it poorly. In my opinion it didn't affect his initial wave (which was already being made, possibly because he planned it and possibly because Flash denied his 4th so many times) that he pushed with.
But of course it had repercussions afterward.
pretty sure he was waiting on at least 1 stasis to go attack though...the probe explosion made him freak out and he attacked, which thankfully for him worked, but then he chickened out about going all-in. it let me down really...he could have spanked flash after the 2 stasis fields at the choke quite comfortably...just bad bad decision making by Daezang after the explosion.
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On October 15 2009 19:30 Jenia6109 wrote:
Typical ZvP imba match
Typical protoss whineing ...
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On October 15 2009 19:33 UGC4 wrote:Show nested quote +Haha I didn't mean it to be sarcasm but I worded it poorly. In my opinion it didn't affect his initial wave (which was already being made, possibly because he planned it and possibly because Flash denied his 4th so many times) that he pushed with.
But of course it had repercussions afterward. pretty sure he was waiting on at least 1 stasis to go attack though...the probe explosion made him freak out and he attacked, which thankfully for him worked, but then he chickened out about going all-in. it let me down really...he could have spanked flash after the 2 stasis fields at the choke quite comfortably...just bad bad decision making by Daezang after the explosion.
Very good point.
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Russian Federation37 Posts
On October 15 2009 19:30 Jenia6109 wrote:
Typical ZvP imba match
DDD
cry toss
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Thank god kpop is over.
Does anyone need LR-ing btw?
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
It's stream you all have been waiting for
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
Flash shows mercy towards the ovie...?
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lol, he doesn't care about overlord. good call actually.
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Is Flash keeping mutas out of his base or Hero keeping marines out of his 3rd?
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Flash buying time with his first suicide marine group.
edit: second group now.
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
worst muta micro ever, not killing ANYTHING.
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Holy shit, boxer-like marine micro. Flash!!!
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its so nice to see some masterful bio tvz.
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huge marine group now O_O
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Oh my god, that M&M vs lurker control by Flash
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Omg, how many lurkers was that ? Crazy micro by Flash.
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Such a sexy game by Flash.
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
wow that army totally raped 1 o clock
DROPSHIP
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Flash raping poor Dronaldos.
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
WHAT THE FUCK
BOXER MICRO
5 RINES = 4 LURKERS
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WTF Flash micro
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
flash should just ferry in his whole army into hero's main
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Dude Flash's play has been unreal this game. His control, game sense.. everything. I love bio TvZ
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
This is complete domination
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
wow there is totally NOTHING by.hero can or COULD do.
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omg this is so beautiful.
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Feels really good to see M&M again
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Flash is such a beast on top of his game, Fantasy and Leta have nothing on him.
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GEEEEEEEE GEEEEEEEEEE!! FLAAASH!
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sweet jesus, flash destroyed this group
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Hungary11291 Posts
Mighty impressive by Flash. He appears ready for his 2nd solo title.
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
this game is such rape, it makes by.hero seem like some B-team noob. Wow.
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Just completely sick, how many marines took out how many lurkers in that epic drop? Looked like an almost 1 to 1 trade, holy shit Flash.
Also, Flash will be at his personal ELO all-time high once these games are added to TLPD.
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Meh Terran =/
Well at least it wasn't mech.
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On October 15 2009 19:50 Aesop wrote:
Mighty impressive by Flash. He appears ready for his 2nd solo title.
Then again, he appears to be ready 5-6 times each year, but never around the final stages of the individual leagues:-p Here's to hoping though.
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Truly Dominant.
That was amazing
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Christ, Flash, that was amazing.
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Oh man Flash is really such a beast..
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Wow, Flash played like a monster. He is in great shape.
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Flash not doing his usual turtle-type play was actually very entertaining. :O
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On October 15 2009 19:52 538 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 19:50 Aesop wrote:
Mighty impressive by Flash. He appears ready for his 2nd solo title. Then again, he appears to be ready 5-6 times each year, but never around the final stages of the individual leagues:-p Here's to hoping though.
lolol my thouhts exactly i feel so bad for flash for not having more titles -_-;
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rare u see 400apm players get out multi-tasked like that
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Flash just walked over Hero there
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On October 15 2009 19:53 fearus wrote:
rare u see 400apm players get out multi-tasked like that
Precision > apm.
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that wasn't a micro battle, nor macro battle, or management battle
what a sick sick high tempo multitask battle
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Jesus christ. That game reminded me of Loki II v Jaedong with the huge army roming around the map.
(Not as good obviously but you know)
When the game first started and Hero's mutas were popping I was like "oh man here we go again.. another game where Flash doesn't have turrents..." but his control was great. Fun game. And definitely shows up some other TvZ'er who was in this MSL + Show Spoiler +
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Flash just layed down a smackdown on hero... he's not messing around early in the season, hope it stays like this until the inevitable JD vs Flash MSL duel that will probably not happen.
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No nitpicks here - wow
One of the most impressive TvZs of the year - just insane play.
No other Terran can play M&M this well in my opinion
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Just wow... by.hero is by no means a horrible player, but that was a complete and utter rape. Wow. I feel that Jaedong is the only threat to Flash with his current form. May they avoid each other until the finals.
Flash's bio micro (and everything else) is nothing short of spectacular. I hope he sticks to playing bio instead of boring and overrated mech.
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The smart move by Flash was to move out with his initial army so that the mutas wouldn't harass his base. This gave Flash a small advantage and by.hero was behind when his 2 hatch muta build did no harass damage.
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You know, there's always a time of the year when everyone complains about Flash. Either they call him overrated, boring, a one hit wonder, etc. It's times like these when you can't fault him that really make me smile. He's just so amazingly good and while being his fan is a trial in frustration, games like these make it worth it.
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that was one hell of a sexy game. flash is in really great shape. i hope he wins a title this season. he deserves it. topnotch mechanics and multitasking combined with the best sense for timings in the entire proscene...
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On October 15 2009 20:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:
You know, there's always a time of the year when everyone complains about Flash. Either they call him overrated, boring, a one hit wonder, etc. It's times like these when you can't fault him that really make me smile. He's just so amazingly good and while being his fan is a trial in frustration, games like these make it worth it.
cheers to that.
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Well, last season there seemed to have been some debate as regards to the top terran. That debate seems pretty settled right about now. Flash is the only terran who can win against the trend in any MU.
Unless he meets a top PvT player like Bisu or Stork, Flash should advance pretty far this season.
On October 15 2009 19:58 InDaHouse wrote:
The smart move by Flash was to move out with his initial army so that the mutas wouldn't harass his base. This gave Flash a small advantage and by.hero was behind when his 2 hatch muta build did no harass damage.
Well, doing what Flash did require insane confidence in your MnM control. Terrans don't usually do that because it results in the initial army getting creamed quickly. Flash obviously didn't think much of hero's muta micro.
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That's it, I'm changing my icon to olleh KT. I love bio TvZ so much. Mech TvZ makes me appreciate bio so much more when I see it done so sexy.
I think Flash's most vulnerable matchup by far right now is TvP...no Terran can touch him, and only one Zerg can, I think (I don't need to say who).
Also Flash currently on a 9 game TvZ win streak.
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On October 15 2009 19:57 Holgerius wrote:I feel that Jaedong is the only threat to Flash with his current form.
I think he might be also vulnerable to Calm's mind games or Kwanro's all-in style, maybe even Effort. But damned impressive display of class, nonetheless.
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On October 15 2009 20:05 Hinanawi wrote:
That's it, I'm changing my icon to olleh KT. I love bio TvZ so much. Mech TvZ makes me appreciate bio so much more when I see it done so sexy.
I think Flash's most vulnerable matchup by far right now is TvP...no Terran can touch him, and only one Zerg can, I think (I don't need to say who).
Also Flash currently on a 9 game TvZ win streak.
Don't forget the 11 game TvT with a fair showing in TvP (1-2 in close games with Bisu ain't half bad).
On October 15 2009 20:06 538 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 19:57 Holgerius wrote:I feel that Jaedong is the only threat to Flash with his current form. I think he might be also vulnerable to Calm's mind games or Kwanro's all-in style, maybe even Effort. But damned impressive display of class, nonetheless.
Calm is the only one of those zergs he hasn't completely dismantled recently.
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On October 15 2009 20:04 baubo wrote:
Well, doing what Flash did require insane confidence in your MnM control. Terrans don't usually do that because it results in the initial army getting creamed quickly. Flash obviously didn't think much of hero's muta micro.
You mean the Luxury acquisition has actually started to pay off? Only took like a year.
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On October 15 2009 20:05 Hinanawi wrote:
That's it, I'm changing my icon to olleh KT. I love bio TvZ so much. Mech TvZ makes me appreciate bio so much more when I see it done so sexy.
I think Flash's most vulnerable matchup by far right now is TvP...no Terran can touch him, and only one Zerg can, I think (I don't need to say who).
Also Flash currently on a 9 game TvZ win streak.
but flash also is a tvp monster. seriously, when he pushes out in tvp u better shit ur pants....
somehow he is a fucking monster in every matchup right now. the only player to stop him in this form is probably jaedong. man... i hope so much for non-mirror starleague finals this season...
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On October 15 2009 20:06 538 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 19:57 Holgerius wrote:I feel that Jaedong is the only threat to Flash with his current form. I think he might be also vulnerable to Calm's mind games or Kwanro's all-in style, maybe even Effort. But damned impressive display of class, nonetheless.
I think he's at a bit of a loss as to what to do against Bisu too. I get the feeling Bisu is the one player where Flash doesn't feel like he can play his turtle style and win because Bisu's late game is also so insanely good.
Of course nothing changes the fact that Flash is like 1-10 or something against Bisu/Jangbi/Stork/Best/Kal this year, which is depressing.
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Wow, perfect stream Solinren! Thank you!!!!! :D
Flash is the smex. <3 Hoping Anytime can pull through.
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On October 15 2009 20:10 ATLAS-3.04 wrote:
Wow, perfect stream Solinren! Thank you!!!!! :D
Flash is the smex. <3 Hoping Anytime can pull through.
I'm streaming on solinren
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On October 15 2009 20:10 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:06 538 wrote:On October 15 2009 19:57 Holgerius wrote:I feel that Jaedong is the only threat to Flash with his current form. I think he might be also vulnerable to Calm's mind games or Kwanro's all-in style, maybe even Effort. But damned impressive display of class, nonetheless. I think he's at a bit of a loss as to what to do against Bisu too. I get the feeling Bisu is the one player where Flash doesn't feel like he can play his turtle style and win because Bisu's late game is also so insanely good. Of course nothing changes the fact that Flash is like 1-10 or something against Bisu/Jangbi/Stork/Best/Kal this year, which is depressing.
Yeah, I was actually talking about tvz only, Bisu and Stork are serious threats too.
Also Kal, but I'm biased:-p Remember how he raped him on Destination not so long ago with 3 simultanous DT attacks? It was beautiful
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On October 15 2009 20:10 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:06 538 wrote:On October 15 2009 19:57 Holgerius wrote:I feel that Jaedong is the only threat to Flash with his current form. I think he might be also vulnerable to Calm's mind games or Kwanro's all-in style, maybe even Effort. But damned impressive display of class, nonetheless. I think he's at a bit of a loss as to what to do against Bisu too. I get the feeling Bisu is the one player where Flash doesn't feel like he can play his turtle style and win because Bisu's late game is also so insanely good. Of course nothing changes the fact that Flash is like 1-10 or something against Bisu/Jangbi/Stork/Best/Kal this year, which is depressing.
A lot of that is HBR and Destination. It hasn't been said much because zergs have been raping, but maps have also been kind of hard for TvP.
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come 3 lions update the op biiotch! D:
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Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters.
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On October 15 2009 20:10 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:06 538 wrote:On October 15 2009 19:57 Holgerius wrote:I feel that Jaedong is the only threat to Flash with his current form. I think he might be also vulnerable to Calm's mind games or Kwanro's all-in style, maybe even Effort. But damned impressive display of class, nonetheless. I think he's at a bit of a loss as to what to do against Bisu too. I get the feeling Bisu is the one player where Flash doesn't feel like he can play his turtle style and win because Bisu's late game is also so insanely good. Of course nothing changes the fact that Flash is like 1-10 or something against Bisu/Jangbi/Stork/Best/Kal this year, which is depressing.
Yeah, TvP seems to be his achilles heel, as unthinkable as that sounds for the guy who practically reinvented the MU.
But looking at it another way, does any other Terran have better TvP than Flash right now? Fantasy might be close, but nobody else is even a contender for the title. It says more about the state of S-class TvP than it does anything about Flash imo.
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On October 15 2009 20:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters.
hope not, if not you have to count the Line up matches and stuff too.
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On October 15 2009 20:18 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters. hope not, if not you have to count the Line up matches and stuff too.
Well, look at it, it says his last loss came before his win against Really, and his loss to Iris isn't on there when it should be.
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That's what I'm talking about! Finally, I managed to call something correctly!
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Could some1 tell me the results pls?^^
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Who won the PvP?
No lr or chat for streams...
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On October 15 2009 20:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:18 konadora wrote:On October 15 2009 20:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters. hope not, if not you have to count the Line up matches and stuff too. Well, look at it, it says his last loss came before his win against Really, and his loss to Iris isn't on there when it should be.
Lost to Iris? This never happened in these few week.
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On October 15 2009 20:20 Itachii wrote:
Could some1 tell me the results pls?^^
Flash>DaezanG
By.Hero>anytime
Flash>By.hero
DaezanG>anytime.
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Poor Anytime . Wtf
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I agree the maps have definitely been hard, and Flash's style has been studied to death. The fundamental "problem" with it in my opinion is just how passive it is. Bisu's late game control is so high level that he can ride the early game advantage to wins. Jangbi also has extremely good late game, as does Stork (though Stork excels more at repeated good decisions that wear down a Terran at midgame). Kal has shown he has the creativity to pull off a win, though I personally don't think he can take Flash straight up. One way or another, the top tier P's have plenty of options, and on maps that allow you to abuse these options it can be tough to block everything off every time. Hell, even Backho stole a game on Destination last season.
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On October 15 2009 20:21 Etopen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 15 2009 20:18 konadora wrote:On October 15 2009 20:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters. hope not, if not you have to count the Line up matches and stuff too. Well, look at it, it says his last loss came before his win against Really, and his loss to Iris isn't on there when it should be. Lost to Iris? This never happened in these few week.
He hasn't played a lot of TvTs lately. The games against Iris should still be on the last 10 games he's played.
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On October 15 2009 20:10 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:06 538 wrote:On October 15 2009 19:57 Holgerius wrote:I feel that Jaedong is the only threat to Flash with his current form. I think he might be also vulnerable to Calm's mind games or Kwanro's all-in style, maybe even Effort. But damned impressive display of class, nonetheless. I think he's at a bit of a loss as to what to do against Bisu too. I get the feeling Bisu is the one player where Flash doesn't feel like he can play his turtle style and win because Bisu's late game is also so insanely good. Of course nothing changes the fact that Flash is like 1-10 or something against Bisu/Jangbi/Stork/Best/Kal this year, which is depressing.
VS:
Kal 1:1
Bisu 2:5
Best 0:1
Jangbi 0:1
Stork 0:1
Not good but not 1:10, the only one who's really been beating him consistently is Bisu, 1 game doesn't really count
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This is my pet hate on tl, people that dont update results, if you know you cant do it dont make the thread :\
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On October 15 2009 20:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:21 Etopen wrote:On October 15 2009 20:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 15 2009 20:18 konadora wrote:On October 15 2009 20:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters. hope not, if not you have to count the Line up matches and stuff too. Well, look at it, it says his last loss came before his win against Really, and his loss to Iris isn't on there when it should be. Lost to Iris? This never happened in these few week. He hasn't played a lot of TvTs lately. The games against Iris should still be on the last 10 games he's played.
In the GOMTV final, he only 1 game out of 4 game which makes him won the match. So that's 1 win counts on tldp, it doesn't count game but match.
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On October 15 2009 20:24 Scaramanga wrote:
This is my pet hate on tl, people that dont update results, if you know you cant do it dont make the thread :\
and it's a temp ban (or warning first, not sure) =/
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On October 15 2009 20:25 Etopen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 15 2009 20:21 Etopen wrote:On October 15 2009 20:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 15 2009 20:18 konadora wrote:On October 15 2009 20:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters. hope not, if not you have to count the Line up matches and stuff too. Well, look at it, it says his last loss came before his win against Really, and his loss to Iris isn't on there when it should be. Lost to Iris? This never happened in these few week. He hasn't played a lot of TvTs lately. The games against Iris should still be on the last 10 games he's played. In the GOMTV final, he only 1 game out of 4 game which makes him won the match. So that's 1 win counts on tldp, it doesn't count game but match.
No, I don't think you get TLPD. Even so, if that were the case it'd be counted as a win and his second to most recent game wouldn't be an L.
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SHIMIDA!!
*dunno what is it ;D
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On October 15 2009 20:24 Scaramanga wrote:
This is my pet hate on tl, people that dont update results, if you know you cant do it dont make the thread :\
i wanted to say just that...
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On October 15 2009 20:25 Etopen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 15 2009 20:21 Etopen wrote:On October 15 2009 20:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 15 2009 20:18 konadora wrote:On October 15 2009 20:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters. hope not, if not you have to count the Line up matches and stuff too. Well, look at it, it says his last loss came before his win against Really, and his loss to Iris isn't on there when it should be. Lost to Iris? This never happened in these few week. He hasn't played a lot of TvTs lately. The games against Iris should still be on the last 10 games he's played. In the GOMTV final, he only 1 game out of 4 game which makes him won the match. So that's 1 win counts on tldp, it doesn't count game but match.
Are you positive it doesnt count every game, only the final result of a series? Doesnt seem right to me...
Actually I'm fairly certain you are wrong.
See Bisu's ELO peak for example: it's after the first game of his Bo5 series against JD (03.2009), which he lost 3-2.
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On October 15 2009 20:24 HopLight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:10 darktreb wrote:On October 15 2009 20:06 538 wrote:On October 15 2009 19:57 Holgerius wrote:I feel that Jaedong is the only threat to Flash with his current form. I think he might be also vulnerable to Calm's mind games or Kwanro's all-in style, maybe even Effort. But damned impressive display of class, nonetheless. I think he's at a bit of a loss as to what to do against Bisu too. I get the feeling Bisu is the one player where Flash doesn't feel like he can play his turtle style and win because Bisu's late game is also so insanely good. Of course nothing changes the fact that Flash is like 1-10 or something against Bisu/Jangbi/Stork/Best/Kal this year, which is depressing. VS: Kal 1:1 Bisu 2:5 Best 0:1 Jangbi 0:1 Stork 0:1 Not good but not 1:10, the only one who's really been beating him consistently is Bisu, 1 game doesn't really count
Yeah 3-9 is not so bad. What also has hurt is how significant the games have been - almost every single loss has come at a terrible time for either Flash or KT (then again given how important Flash is and how bad KT has been, maybe this isn't so surprising).
The Kal loss essentially eliminated KT from the playoffs. 4 Bisu losses knocked Flash out of GOM S2 and WCG Korea. The Best loss knocked him out of OSL. The Jangbi/Stork losses came in round 4 when KT was already on life support (though they were basically screwed all year when Flash didn't win).
I would like to see Flash mix it up a bit in TvP but the problem is when he does against good players he loses (Best in OSL, Bisu game on Sin Chupung Ryeong, hell even Shuttle beat him on Holy World). He also has few opportunities to be tested because he literally wins EVERY TvP against mediocre P when he plays turtle style.
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On October 15 2009 20:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:25 Etopen wrote:On October 15 2009 20:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 15 2009 20:21 Etopen wrote:On October 15 2009 20:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 15 2009 20:18 konadora wrote:On October 15 2009 20:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters. hope not, if not you have to count the Line up matches and stuff too. Well, look at it, it says his last loss came before his win against Really, and his loss to Iris isn't on there when it should be. Lost to Iris? This never happened in these few week. He hasn't played a lot of TvTs lately. The games against Iris should still be on the last 10 games he's played. In the GOMTV final, he only 1 game out of 4 game which makes him won the match. So that's 1 win counts on tldp, it doesn't count game but match. No, I don't think you get TLPD. Even so, if that were the case it'd be counted as a win and his second to most recent game wouldn't be an L.
He lost to Sea in the PL ULTIMATE and won against Really in the next TvT match. I don't see how it's wrong, the L is correct.
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On October 15 2009 20:31 Etopen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 15 2009 20:25 Etopen wrote:On October 15 2009 20:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 15 2009 20:21 Etopen wrote:On October 15 2009 20:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 15 2009 20:18 konadora wrote:On October 15 2009 20:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters. hope not, if not you have to count the Line up matches and stuff too. Well, look at it, it says his last loss came before his win against Really, and his loss to Iris isn't on there when it should be. Lost to Iris? This never happened in these few week. He hasn't played a lot of TvTs lately. The games against Iris should still be on the last 10 games he's played. In the GOMTV final, he only 1 game out of 4 game which makes him won the match. So that's 1 win counts on tldp, it doesn't count game but match. No, I don't think you get TLPD. Even so, if that were the case it'd be counted as a win and his second to most recent game wouldn't be an L. He lost to Sea in the PL ULTIMATE and won against Really in the next TvT match. I don't see how it's wrong, the L is correct.
Good thing you read my first question asking if PL showmatches count for TLPD. Which they don't, otherwise flash's most recent game against protoss would be a win (jaehoon in ultimate PL) instead of a lose (Bisu in WCG). :>
I'm thinking there was some error that put's the loss to Iris as more recent than the wins.
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seems strangely familiar so far... Bisu vs JD anyone in the PL all-stars?
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On October 15 2009 20:35 538 wrote:seems strangely familiar so far... Bisu vs JD anyone in the PL all-stars?
Just cause it's the same map?
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Ah, come ON Daezang! Bring it! You're off to a decent start, now secure that third!
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On October 15 2009 20:39 GinNtoniC wrote:
Ah, come ON Daezang! Bring it! You're off to a decent start, now secure that third!
... and that's how you screw up a decent start by getting screwed by mutal...
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Baby July got this i think
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gogo daezang! school this kid, you can do it!
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Good aggression, now secure your existing bases and ride the 3gas into midgame!
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whats up with protoss lately they all play like shit in pvz
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On October 15 2009 20:40 jhNz wrote:
gogo daezang! school this kid, you can do it!
This game is over already. Daezang has no units and just got his expo taken out.
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On October 15 2009 20:41 SkelA wrote:
whats up with protoss lately they all play like shit in pvz
Zerg is imba?
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why do progamers love to support like 6 gateways with 1 pylon?
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Dude I don't understand why it never looks like protoss has more than 1 control group of units. Wtf
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On October 15 2009 20:39 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:35 538 wrote:seems strangely familiar so far... Bisu vs JD anyone in the PL all-stars? Just cause it's the same map?
No the builds seemed to be pretty much the same up until Daezang's speed/no +1 attack on hero's 3rd. Maybe I dont remember correctly though.
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Good storm, but awful decision to attack there.
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PvZ is so boring lately, damn.
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I mean seriously.. he had his 3rd up for awhile. Build some more gates or SOMETHING.
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On October 15 2009 20:41 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:41 SkelA wrote:
whats up with protoss lately they all play like shit in pvz Zerg is imba?
Nope they all just play horible
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So you're saying the group with 2 protoss has no protoss qualifying. :>
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4 gates and without pylon = gg
Protoss should do something against mutas, they should try maelstorm (as somebody said)
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On October 15 2009 20:43 TwoToneTerran wrote:
So you're saying the group with 2 protoss has no protoss qualifying. :>
t is flash, z is a zvp specialist
what did you expect
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3 lions never updates his thread -____-
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Ok, seriously, protoss players need to sit down and put their minds together. This shit aint working.
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GG. Good that by.hero passed through.
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damn... daezang and anytime knocked out during one day T_T
sux.
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On October 15 2009 20:45 GinNtoniC wrote:
Ok, seriously, protoss players need to sit down and put their minds together. This shit aint working.
GET DA AND MAELSTROMMMMM
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On October 15 2009 20:43 SkelA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:41 T.O.P. wrote:On October 15 2009 20:41 SkelA wrote:
whats up with protoss lately they all play like shit in pvz Zerg is imba? Nope they all just play horible
They dont play horrible. If Protoss makes a little mistake in PvZ he lose, that's why PvZ was imba always
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On October 15 2009 20:45 GinNtoniC wrote:
Ok, seriously, protoss players need to sit down and put their minds together. This shit aint working.
QFT...
i used to think that hero was a ZvP specialist too, but then i realized, all he (and others) fuckin does is make hydras, and sometimes mutas to rape high templars. this includes calm, julyzerg, hoejja, great, jaedong (although at least he mixes it up more often), fucking everyone. the only player that deserves respect for his ZvP right now is Zero. and no im not saying ZvP is imbalanced, im saying its a tough match up that needs to change. but yeah...daezang and anytime didnt deserve to win anyway...
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On October 15 2009 20:46 Jenia6109 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:43 SkelA wrote:On October 15 2009 20:41 T.O.P. wrote:On October 15 2009 20:41 SkelA wrote:
whats up with protoss lately they all play like shit in pvz Zerg is imba? Nope they all just play horible They dont play horrible. If Protoss makes a little mistake in PvZ he lose, that's why PvZ was imba always
this was zvt for years and years
On October 15 2009 20:47 UGC4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:45 GinNtoniC wrote:
Ok, seriously, protoss players need to sit down and put their minds together. This shit aint working. QFT... i used to think that hero was a ZvP specialist too, but then i realized, all he (and others) fuckin does is make mutas, snipe templars, then make a shit ton of hydras, and A move. this includes hoejja, calm, effort, july, savior, jaedong (although he goes lurkers too), luxury, fuckin everyone. fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck mass hydras is scary.
you're so damn wrong I'm not even gonna comment
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On October 15 2009 20:47 UGC4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:45 GinNtoniC wrote:
Ok, seriously, protoss players need to sit down and put their minds together. This shit aint working. QFT... i used to think that hero was a ZvP specialist too, but then i realized, all he (and others) fuckin does is make mutas, snipe templars, then make a shit ton of hydras, and A move. this includes hoejja, calm, effort, july, savior, jaedong (although he goes lurkers too), luxury, fuckin everyone. fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck mass hydras is scary.
Most of hoejja's wins comes from zergling micro and tricky mineral hopping strats. :>
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On October 15 2009 20:45 GinNtoniC wrote:
Ok, seriously, protoss players need to sit down and put their minds together. This shit aint working.
After a week of heated debate, Bisu rose to talk.
"Ok everybody, we're switching to Z!
Those of you who decide to stay (sporadic laughter) its 2gate proxy every game from now on!"
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On October 15 2009 20:45 GinNtoniC wrote:
Ok, seriously, protoss players need to sit down and put their minds together. This shit aint working.
I agree, deazang and anytime losing to Hero has to be the biggest ZvP upset of the year.
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seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins.
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On October 15 2009 20:46 Jenia6109 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:43 SkelA wrote:On October 15 2009 20:41 T.O.P. wrote:On October 15 2009 20:41 SkelA wrote:
whats up with protoss lately they all play like shit in pvz Zerg is imba? Nope they all just play horible They dont play horrible. If Protoss makes a little mistake in PvZ he lose, that's why PvZ was imba always
You were whining that PvZ was imba after Anytime, a washed up (sorry for saying it like that) player who's in his heyday playing for ace, against a ZvP Specialist, who is 4-1 vs BISU, and since he won, it's imba... you expected anytime to win? Any zerg who wins just wins because of imba only?
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On October 15 2009 20:43 TwoToneTerran wrote:
So you're saying the group with 2 protoss has no protoss qualifying. :>
2 pretty bad Protoss didn't make it against flash and a guy with really good ZvP?
SHOCK! Patch this shit -.-
Seriously guys... Maybe there is a problem but your WAY overreacting.
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Z have adapted long time to toss FE. That includes usage of upgraded hydras. Get fucking over it. Protoss is like Europe in medievil time now in PvZ matchup.
I remember couple years ago when Z didn't use masshydras at all (with exception when toss went reaver/sairs) becuase it wasn't viable. Mondragon one of the best ZvP foreigners posted many guides howto ZvP and hydras was a unit only to upgrade for lurkers then.
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On October 15 2009 20:59 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:43 TwoToneTerran wrote:
So you're saying the group with 2 protoss has no protoss qualifying. :> 2 pretty bad Protoss didn't make it against flash and a guy with really good ZvP? SHOCK! Patch this shit -.- Seriously guys... Maybe there is a problem but your WAY overreacting.
I'm not calling imba, I'm just upset that more zergs are making it through qualifiers when we already have 7 zerg seeds. I wanted Firefist to lose to Leta, even though I'm a KT fan, just because we don't need 20 zergs in the ro32.
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Braavos36374 Posts
guys did you see flash rape by.hero with those marines and medics and drops
seriously its time to consider if TvZ is imbalanced, zerg makes one mistake and terran just rolls them with lots of marines and medics, look what happened today
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On October 15 2009 21:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
guys did you see flash rape by.hero with those marines and medics and drops
seriously its time to consider if TvZ is imbalanced, zerg makes one mistake and terran just rolls them with lots of marines and medics, look what happened today
Quick, to the balancemobile!
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
On October 15 2009 20:57 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:46 Jenia6109 wrote:On October 15 2009 20:43 SkelA wrote:On October 15 2009 20:41 T.O.P. wrote:On October 15 2009 20:41 SkelA wrote:
whats up with protoss lately they all play like shit in pvz Zerg is imba? Nope they all just play horible They dont play horrible. If Protoss makes a little mistake in PvZ he lose, that's why PvZ was imba always You were whining that PvZ was imba after Anytime, a washed up (sorry for saying it like that) player who's in his heyday playing for ace, against a ZvP Specialist, who is 4-1 vs BISU, and since he won, it's imba... you expected anytime to win? Any zerg who wins just wins because of imba only?
Yes, of course DaeZang and Anytime should lose today. But i just want to say how easy Hero won
And, also remember yesterday game of Bisu versus top53 Zerg who made absolutle same strategy like Hero and won top1 PvZer rather easily too
All of this is strange and something must change if we dont want to see Starleagues full of Zergs and Flash
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With so much wisdom in posts above, I think I can safely say that mirror matchups are imbalanced.
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
On October 15 2009 21:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm not calling imba, I'm just upset that more zergs are making it through qualifiers when we already have 7 zerg seeds. I wanted Firefist to lose to Leta, even though I'm a KT fan, just because we don't need 20 zergs in the ro32.
Absolutely agree. How u, zergs, can vote for zergs where there are already so many? :-O
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On October 15 2009 21:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:59 Velr wrote:On October 15 2009 20:43 TwoToneTerran wrote:
So you're saying the group with 2 protoss has no protoss qualifying. :> 2 pretty bad Protoss didn't make it against flash and a guy with really good ZvP? SHOCK! Patch this shit -.- Seriously guys... Maybe there is a problem but your WAY overreacting. I'm not calling imba, I'm just upset that more zergs are making it through qualifiers when we already have 7 zerg seeds. I wanted Firefist to lose to Leta, even though I'm a KT fan, just because we don't need 20 zergs in the ro32.
Unfortunately though, we're bound to have more Zergs in Ro32 in the near future. Let's see.. next we have July, Yarnc, Savior, Luxury, hyvaa, and possibly even Shine (that's if he plays insane the way he did yesterday). That's 6 more Zergs making it a total of 16 Zergs. 16/32 = 50% Zergs. Lol!
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
On October 15 2009 21:11 Dice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 21:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 15 2009 20:59 Velr wrote:On October 15 2009 20:43 TwoToneTerran wrote:
So you're saying the group with 2 protoss has no protoss qualifying. :> 2 pretty bad Protoss didn't make it against flash and a guy with really good ZvP? SHOCK! Patch this shit -.- Seriously guys... Maybe there is a problem but your WAY overreacting. I'm not calling imba, I'm just upset that more zergs are making it through qualifiers when we already have 7 zerg seeds. I wanted Firefist to lose to Leta, even though I'm a KT fan, just because we don't need 20 zergs in the ro32. Unfortunately though, we're bound to have more Zergs in Ro32 in the near future. Let's see.. next we have July, Yarnc, Savior, Luxury, hyvaa, and possibly even Shine (that's if he plays insane the way he did yesterday). That's 6 more Zergs making it a total of 16 Zergs. 16/32 = 50% Zergs. Lol!
And then, they all will play Ro16 ;D
Luxury > hero
Jaedong > Shine
Calm > Kwanro
Yarnc > July
hyvaa < Savior
Zero < Effort
Hyuk > type-b
great < TheZerg
Jaedong > Luxury
Calm > Yarnc
Savior < Effort
Hyuk > TheZerg (drama!!)
Jaedong > Calm (revenge!!!)
Effort > Hyuk
Jaedong > Effort (hurray lol)
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
It will be super funny if it will be all zvz starting from ro16. That'll prove zerg is imba.
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On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins.
It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions.
Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame.
It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy.
Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
So good day for my liquibet 6/6 incoming, already 4/6, WOOOOT !
Go hero, Your ZvP so sexy !
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On October 15 2009 21:23 exeprime wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions. Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame.It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy. Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something.
You are absolutely right. I am sick of all Protoss players shouting "IMBA!", not because they are totally wrong, because they are right in one way, but because they are aiming the "imba" in the wrong direction. It is not the game that's imba. It is not the matchup that's imba.
It is the current metagame of the matchup ZvP that has shifted strongly in zergs favor. Zerg players have adapted and worked a long time, and hard, for a counter to protoss FE, and the "new" style of play protoss is throwing at them (+1 zeal/archons -> templars and what not). And we have reached a point where zerg have found the perfect counter. So, what to do? Patch the entire game?
No. Protoss just have to come up with a new strategy, maybe change their entire mindset. It is now the Protoss players turn to figure out a perfect counter. Please understand this.
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i'd like to see corsair reaver being used more. i think that if corsair reaver were used to it's full potential PvZ could be quite imba.
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Hahah, Flash with 67.99% winrate, and only tied his elo peak with these wins. :>
One more game arrrgh!
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Too many people seems to underestimate by.hero. Weren't it for Calm, who is a top3 zerg, Hero could be a perfectly capable zerg ace for STX, maybe not a star ace, but a solid one at least.
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I just hope that somewhere in one of the 2 tournaments a few PvZ's/PvT's to get exited about will happen =)
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Hero has still a lot to learn, comparing to Calm he lacks of experience and IMO his one, solid matchup is ZvP.
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LoL! Did the OP change his predictions after the results got in? I'm sure I remember seeing that he predicted Anytime and Flash to go through..
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This group featured two washed up ACE players versus two of the strongest versus p players on the scene.
No matter the state of mete game balance right now, the result was the expected one.
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On October 15 2009 22:44 jtype wrote:
LoL! Did the OP change his predictions after the results got in? I'm sure I remember seeing that he predicted Anytime and Flash to go through..
Nope, I remember OP like that.
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On October 15 2009 22:44 jtype wrote:
LoL! Did the OP change his predictions after the results got in? I'm sure I remember seeing that he predicted Anytime and Flash to go through..
Why would he change it to make himself right, only to be wrong about Daezang vs Anytime? :>
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btw, OP is still not updated with the final game's result.
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P players thinks they can play all the time all the same and that counter will never be made... hello, try something else.. if you FE and Z makes two exps in first 3 minutes then try to do something else expect waiting 200/200 to come out... reaver/corsair build would be great to harass constantly.. i mean, P players should have more imagination.. go and find out how to counter todays zerg players coz FE isn't enough anymore
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On October 15 2009 22:36 RamenStyle wrote:
Too many people seems to underestimate by.hero. Weren't it for Calm, who is a top3 zerg, Hero could be a perfectly capable zerg ace for STX, maybe not a star ace, but a solid one at least.
+1.
Hero's solid and awesome.
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United States10774 Posts
lol i love how some people are like oh geeze why don't protoss players just go reaver sair and win all the time??
go look at the map list and tell me that again. if you still believe the same thing, then i don't know what to tell you. yes, it looks like protoss players need to adapt but stop making it sound like there's some simple and magical solution that can make the matchup balanced again
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On October 15 2009 21:23 exeprime wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions. Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame. It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy. Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something.
You should watch Movies PvZ.
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On October 15 2009 22:38 crucifix wrote:
Hero has still a lot to learn, comparing to Calm he lacks of experience and IMO his one, solid matchup is ZvP.
I thought his ZvT looked great when defeated Hwsain in the Bachuus OSL, and Hwasin was at the top of his form during that time too.
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People shouldn't freak. hero has ridiculous ZvP.. and anytime ain't exactly on fire anymore..
but forget all that
GO FLASH !!!
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On October 16 2009 01:37 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 21:23 exeprime wrote:On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions. Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame. It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy. Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something. You should watch Movies PvZ. Being a dick with storms isn't a "revolution", it's just what Protoss have always been doing.
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On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins.
So tell me, mister expert, what exactly is this "everything" that protoss won recently? In the entire history of the MSL, only two protoss players have held the trophy. Similarly, there have been a total of two protoss OSL wins (anytime, stork) in the last five years.
Blaming racial imbalance for every loss is stupid; inventing mythical periods of protoss triumph is not much of an improvement.
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Argh! I can't wait for the VOD of game 3. It sucks when Starcraft viewing time and lecture hours overlap.
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On October 16 2009 02:55 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. So tell me, mister expert, what exactly is this "everything" that protoss won recently? In the entire history of the MSL, only two protoss players have held the trophy. Similarly, there have been a total of two protoss OSL wins (anytime, stork) in the last five years. Blaming racial imbalance for every loss is stupid; inventing mythical periods of protoss triumph is not much of an improvement. You haven't heard of the "Taek-bang era"?
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On October 16 2009 03:11 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2009 02:55 city42 wrote:On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. So tell me, mister expert, what exactly is this "everything" that protoss won recently? In the entire history of the MSL, only two protoss players have held the trophy. Similarly, there have been a total of two protoss OSL wins (anytime, stork) in the last five years. Blaming racial imbalance for every loss is stupid; inventing mythical periods of protoss triumph is not much of an improvement. You haven't heard of the "Taek-bang era"?
So one OSL and one MSL constitutes a time when "protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything" then? In that case, I'd like to go ahead and bow down to the overmind, since zerg has won the last two of each. Clearly zerg is invincible right now and resistance is futile.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
FlaSh you are on fire this season. KEEP IT UP!
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On October 16 2009 01:37 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 21:23 exeprime wrote:On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions. Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame. It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy. Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something. You should watch Movies PvZ.
I did. CJ vs STX, proleague, a few days ago. He got some decent harass with reaver + zealots, had a hero DT taking down 11 drones, had a storm drop that also took down a bunch, and STILL got overwhelmed (yay Calm)
And yeah, i know you mean his game vs. JD. Unfortunately, a single game doesn't change the matchup. If it evolves into a valid opening, I'll be happy as hell! But it hasn't yet.
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On October 16 2009 03:22 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2009 03:11 Zozma wrote:On October 16 2009 02:55 city42 wrote:On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. So tell me, mister expert, what exactly is this "everything" that protoss won recently? In the entire history of the MSL, only two protoss players have held the trophy. Similarly, there have been a total of two protoss OSL wins (anytime, stork) in the last five years. Blaming racial imbalance for every loss is stupid; inventing mythical periods of protoss triumph is not much of an improvement. You haven't heard of the "Taek-bang era"? So one OSL and one MSL constitutes a time when "protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything" then? In that case, I'd like to go ahead and bow down to the overmind, since zerg has won the last two of each. Clearly zerg is invincible right now and resistance is futile. I don't remember saying that it isn't a Zerg era currently. But if you don't know how much the six dragons were raping back then, I can only think you weren't paying attention.
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me want flash. no youtube in china. dashi'tall!
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Um, people do know by.hero has amazing ZvP right? And that Daezang and Anytime aren't exactly at the tops of their games anymore? Hero beating them would be the expected result anyway, so this seems like a weird topic to be complaining about ZvP imbalance in.
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mang that was on the level of bachus osl and star inventational play. Going for the 4th individual leauge title and 2th Starleauge title?
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Let's not get too ahead of ourselves... but Flash is looking real good lately.
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On October 16 2009 03:20 OneOther wrote:
didn't last long lol =[
6 dragon era is also taek bang era
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United States10774 Posts
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Mmmm... donuts... I mean Flash. But the map is donut-shaped.
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Yea Hoejjas ZvP is basically ling abuse and defiler abuse...he doesnt just make a lot of hydras. I mean that seems to pretty much be hero's zvp, if you see his games with bisu his macro is pretty overwhelming. I do not claim to know the intricacies of his style I was just pointing out that ktf zerg tend to more annoying with lurker ling/defiler than just mass hydra.
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On October 16 2009 02:23 Zozma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2009 01:37 FireGuyX wrote:On October 15 2009 21:23 exeprime wrote:On October 15 2009 20:57 Julmust wrote:
seriously, all this protoss whining is just... getting old!
I mean not long ago protoss was winning everything, and I do mean everything. What's funny is that as soon as you get a MU that requires a little bit of skill you're whining not stop. Terran has TvP as their hard MU, zerg has ZvT which for a while was really hard and protoss you have PvZ as your hard.
Diffrence between terran/zerg players and protoss players? We (terran and zerg players) are used to having to work for our wins. It was last fall, when protoss managed to have a few months when the 6 dragons were pretty much on fire. It was the only period of dominance of the protoss race, it was short, and it was only 6 players - other than the dragons, the other protoss were pretty goddamn average. The matchups overall were pretty open, with no clear favourites (such as zergs in ZvP nowadays) and each race had its fair share of players in higher stages of competitions. Nowadays hardly any protoss manage to get to the higher stages of individual leagues, Bisu gets knocked out of the OSL by some mediocre zergs, Kal, the other PvZ specialist if the "dragon age" loses most of his vZ games, and overall there's no protoss that can reliably beat zergs. While zerg dominance for a short period can mean a mere anomaly, if the ratio of zerg / terran / toss of the last OSL / MSL stays the same for long (lotsa zerg, some terran, hardly any toss), it probably means there are some issues with the matchup in the current metagame. It is obvious that blizzard must make a patch to give archons 500 shields, a range of 3 and have high tempars start with psi storm researched. And maybe 200 energy. Seriously though, PvZ definitely needs a new "revolution" or something. You should watch Movies PvZ. Being a dick with storms isn't a "revolution", it's just what Protoss have always been doing.
I'm not saying Movies PvZ is revolutionary, but Movies PvZ proves that zerg isn't unstoppable against Protoss.
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im sorry but i just find it kinda funny how some people say "hero has godly ZvP" i mean yeah his % is high, his apm is high, but what the fuck does he do that makes him so godly? nothing lol he just makes hydras, tons of them, sure nice macro, okay i'll give u that cuz i dont like or dislike him, but WOW HES SO GOOD nah thx...i know daezang and anytime are washed up, but even then hero did nothing special to deserve those wins, except he didnt make any stupid decisions like the toss players. and you zerg players have the indecency to tell us protoss that standard FE is not auto win anymore? as if your 5 hatch hydra wasnt the auto win build??? -.-
theres so many fuckin zergs right now...u cant even differentiate their styles anymore...jaedong stands out for being the best, zero for being the most innovative, and kwanro for being crazy (some times stupid) aggressive. but if any of us watched a game with a zerg and they didnt show his face/name, there would be no fuckin way FOR ANY OF US to recognize whether its yarnc, luxury, savior, effort, calm, hero, hoejja, hyuk, hyvaa, shine, july, or great. cuz they're all the same shit!! (ok some exceptions, if its 2 hatch muta its prob yarnc or luxury, but u get the point)
can you say that about terrans or protoss players? hell no. if u watched a TvT game, the winner is probably Flash. if you watch a TvZ game with valkyries, its Fantasy or UpMagic. If you see a TvP with a sexy timing push, its probably forGG. if you see a PvT with crazy storms and carriers, you bet your sweet ass it's my lover JangBi. if you see a PvP with impressive reaver micro, it's the Maradona of SC, Stork. if you watch a PvZ with bonjwa abilities, its Movie (and he still loses! to what?? mass hydra you say? yep). that's all i got to say thank you very much
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On October 16 2009 11:16 UGC4 wrote:can you say that about terrans or protoss players? hell no. if u watched a TvT game, the winner is probably Flash. if you watch a TvZ game with valkyries, its Fantasy or UpMagic. If you see a TvP with a sexy timing push, its probably forGG. if you see a PvT with crazy storms and carriers, you bet your sweet ass it's my lover JangBi. if you see a PvP with impressive reaver micro, it's the Maradona of SC, Stork. if you watch a PvZ with bonjwa abilities, its Movie (and he still loses! to what?? mass hydra you say? yep). that's all i got to say thank you very much
omg LOL
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On October 16 2009 11:16 UGC4 wrote:im sorry but i just find it kinda funny how some people say "hero has godly ZvP" i mean yeah his % is high, his apm is high, but what the fuck does he do that makes him so godly? nothing lol he just makes hydras, tons of them, sure nice macro, okay i'll give u that cuz i dont like or dislike him, but WOW HES SO GOOD nah thx...i know daezang and anytime are washed up, but even then hero did nothing special to deserve those wins, except he didnt make any stupid decisions like the toss players. and you zerg players have the indecency to tell us protoss that standard FE is not auto win anymore? as if your 5 hatch hydra wasnt the auto win build??? -.- theres so many fuckin zergs right now...u cant even differentiate their styles anymore...jaedong stands out for being the best, zero for being the most innovative, and kwanro for being crazy (some times stupid) aggressive. but if any of us watched a game with a zerg and they didnt show his face/name, there would be no fuckin way FOR ANY OF US to recognize whether its yarnc, luxury, savior, effort, calm, hero, hoejja, hyuk, hyvaa, shine, july, or great. cuz they're all the same shit!! (ok some exceptions, if its 2 hatch muta its prob yarnc or luxury, but u get the point) can you say that about terrans or protoss players? hell no. if u watched a TvT game, the winner is probably Flash. if you watch a TvZ game with valkyries, its Fantasy or UpMagic. If you see a TvP with a sexy timing push, its probably forGG. if you see a PvT with crazy storms and carriers, you bet your sweet ass it's my lover JangBi. if you see a PvP with impressive reaver micro, it's the Maradona of SC, Stork. if you watch a PvZ with bonjwa abilities, its Movie (and he still loses! to what?? mass hydra you say? yep). that's all i got to say thank you very much
there are so many things wrong with this post. first of all, how many players have a zvp better than by.hero? july, jaedong, calm, and maybe(?) effort. 5hat hydra isnt an autowin build, it gets destroyed by good storms and reavers. and your part about recognizing toss and terran players is bull, valkyries and timing pushes are no longer unique to anyone. and its not like flash is even in the majority of tvts. also, your icon is for the wrong race
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On another note, holy shit Flash vs hero was such rape @_@
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