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justiceknight
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 22 2009 08:50 Kiarip wrote: It's not humanly possible to perfectly micro in either game. Difference is, even if you're microing consistently worse than the other guy in starcraft you can still win with superior macro, but wc3 has very little macro, and so you really need to outplay your opponent micro-wise in order to win the game. I said that Warcraft3 is a joke compared to SC, especially the macro and multitasking. He's only talking about the micro, but doesn't realize that SC has similiar micro as well, it just is so difficult to do properly in the middle of macroing and whatnot that players even with over 400apm can't do it, and hence he thinks it's not in the game. Sigh. And what's this Blizzard Rock Band crap? | ||
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YoungModerN
Brazil389 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
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starPride
United States142 Posts
On August 22 2009 08:51 G.s)NarutO wrote: I won't start to talk down Warcraft 3 since I know both games need skill, but its not true that you can if you just macro like mad win a game vs a player who has micro and macro. Choosing ur units is another impotrant part in wc3. there are also soft counters and strategies in wc3 works much much differently Choosing what to creep and harassing right after that, choosing how u creep and what items u get can all effect how the game goes. every small thing in wc3 counts. Seconds count. Choosing when to creep can be very vital as well espically late game. if ur not careful and u miss-scout you can lose. I really dont want to get into strategy about wc3. and sc but in all honesty i dont think sc is far ahead in terms of strategy. i say that because Strategy is less involved on ur build order but more in depth on what u do in the map. and how you plan to gain map control/divert ur enemy and any number of a limitless ammount of combinations. And miss scouting, what i was refering to is securing how you are creeping. if you creep and dont know where ur opponent is and ur at an even position, you can really be behind in the game. Even with a TP u can still lose alot of units. and when u TP ur opponent knows where u are and thats when you really gain a map edge and can creep on his turf. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On August 22 2009 08:52 Itachii wrote: vlc: http://bglive-a.bitgravity.com/blizzcon/live/stream3 <-- 700k stream, lags like hell http://bglive-a.bitgravity.com/blizzcon/live/stream4 <-- 400k stream, works like a charm http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/video/stream-rts.xml (if it lags, just leave 400k checked in player's options) Effort 2 Idra 0 Nada 2 ret 1 Skyhigh 1 Zero 2 Savior 2 Beckham 0 Losers bracket Beckham(Z) vs SkyHigh(T) IdrA(T) vs Ret(Z) (1-2 yeah?) Winners bracket sAviOr(Z) vs ZerO(Z) Nada(T) vs EffOrt(Z) Schedule: ![[image loading]](http://i31.tinypic.com/21lkcub.jpg) some mod could put this into the OP, since so many people ask for these things | ||
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
On August 22 2009 08:52 Itachii wrote: vlc: http://bglive-a.bitgravity.com/blizzcon/live/stream3 <-- 700k stream, lags like hell http://bglive-a.bitgravity.com/blizzcon/live/stream4 <-- 400k stream, works like a charm hey wen i load these in VLC i only get audio. Ideas? | ||
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 22 2009 08:43 Jyvblamo wrote: Sometimes TL can be pretty stuck up when it comes to comparing SC to other RTS. I guess it comes with the territory. Also, isn't this the same trailer they showed last year on D3's announcement? The guy just said defiler use was extremely easy. It's fucking hard as hell to use defilers in tandem with mass units. He's just raving over and over about how intense micro is with a total of 10 units. Thing is, you can micro 10 units of Starcraft as well. Early ling vs Zealot micro, although I would agree not as intense, still requires the basic elements of surround, pulling units out before dying, etc. Except you have to macro at the same time, which includes BOTH unit production and worker production. On August 22 2009 08:55 starPride wrote: Choosing ur units is another impotrant part in wc3. there are also soft counters and strategies in wc3 works much much differently Choosing what to creep and harassing right after that, choosing how u creep and what items u get can all effect how the game goes. every small thing in wc3 counts. Seconds count. Choosing when to creep can be very vital as well espically late game. if ur not careful and u miss-scout you can lose. I really dont want to get into strategy about wc3. and sc but in all honesty i dont think sc is far ahead in terms of strategy. i say that because Strategy is less involved on ur build order but more in depth on what u do in the map. and how you plan to gain map control/divert ur enemy and any number of a limitless ammount of combinations. And miss scouting, what i was refering to is securing how you are creeping. if you creep and dont know where ur opponent is and ur at an even position, you can really be behind in the game. Even with a TP u can still lose alot of units. and when u TP ur opponent knows where u are and thats when you really gain a map edge and can creep on his turf. ... -Because unit choice isn't important in SC? What..? -Soft counters and "strategies" also exist in SC... that's what makes the game so brilliant... -Ok, SC doesn't have creeps, but uh... I don't want them? I would contest that it adds depth to the game, I think SC would be worse with creeps. -Seconds count in SC as well, everything actually comes down TO the second... you miss something by 2 seconds you can die easily to an all-in strat, etc. -I would say scouting is significantly more important in SC than WC3, but I'd need someone to back me up on that, as I never played WC3 extensively -What you do on the map and such is tactical, is it not? Strategy is choosing what you want to employ and how you want to employ it, buying time and diverting attention is tactical. | ||
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nicoaldo
Argentina939 Posts
On August 22 2009 08:56 zizou21 wrote: hey wen i load these in VLC i only get audio. Ideas? http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/video/stream-rts.xml works perfectly for me, even in 700 if it buffers a lot change it to 400 and uncheck the auto adjust (next to the timer) | ||
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disco
Netherlands1667 Posts
On August 22 2009 08:58 crucifix wrote: Why You guys call him MenSol? It's a clan-tag, please write ZerO... It's the same as You would call NaDa "ReD"... :< bleh :p Didn't zero play as mensol in the GOM tour? | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
its working i see soem crowd is this the only stream from blizzcon or do i have to find sc separately? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 22 2009 08:55 starPride wrote: Did you know that losing a drone in Starcraft to the scouting probe makes you have 10 Hydras instead of 12 Hydras at the normal timing for a 2hatch Hydra bust and that it's defendable with proper micro with 3 cannons while 12 really aren't(According to Nal_rA) . That all is in Starcraft, I don't know what you're trying to prove. Seconds matter more in Starcraft, if anything, since Warcraft has such a slow unit speed and game pace in comparsion. Choosing ur units is another impotrant part in wc3. there are also soft counters and strategies in wc3 works much much differently Choosing what to creep and harassing right after that, choosing how u creep and what items u get can all effect how the game goes. every small thing in wc3 counts. Seconds count. Choosing when to creep can be very vital as well espically late game. if ur not careful and u miss-scout you can lose. I really dont want to get into strategy about wc3. and sc but in all honesty i dont think sc is far ahead in terms of strategy. i say that because Strategy is less involved on ur build order but more in depth on what u do in the map. and how you plan to gain map control/divert ur enemy and any number of a limitless ammount of combinations. | ||
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
Yea I was looking at that and it seemed off. copy&paste from blizzard's twitter :| also what the hell, are they only going to show 1 match? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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food
United States1951 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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koOl
Canada254 Posts
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