[Guide] The Stove - Page 5

On June 10 2009 06:26 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Amber[light] what are you talking about? A dragoon doesn't fly and can't harass to the level a scout can, in this situation a scout is better. One scout is MUCH better than two corsairs in this situation.

On June 10 2009 10:08 Amber[LighT] wrote:


have you tried to ovie harass with one scout?


i hope you guys aren't serious about this :/

On June 07 2009 15:29 FastEddieV wrote:
No replays? I'd like to see where it shines best. What maps do you recommend this build on?

On June 07 2009 16:35 FastEddieV wrote:
Do you recommend the upgrades for the scout? I feel naked using scouts without their apial sensors... Maybe as you're teching to arbiters, after the DTs are out?

On June 10 2009 03:15 Chef wrote:
At killing overlords, you dunce. LOL Scouts do 28 damage air to air. Sairs do 5 unless they're attacking a group of units which splash will help with. If your goal is to snipe overlords to make a path for your DTs to attack, that big damage early game is important. Sairs don't get that powerful until you have 4 or 5 of them heading into the midgame.

Furthermore, 2 corsairs is TWO HUNDRED gas. Which slows down your tech. When you're doing a tech build. A scout is 125 gas all on its own and eats less supply than 2 sairs. Not to mention you completely deny yourself the opportunity of maybe taking out a drone or two in the early game.

I also think you don't have any idea how early I'm getting that scout out.

On June 10 2009 02:44 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Everyone who keeps saying it doesn't work has probably never actually tried it, or tried it prior to reading templar's guide and fucked it up.

The stove was the 13th place pimpest play for 2002. http://sclegacy.com/feature/4-pp/269-pimpest-plays-2002#13

It may not be the one strategy to rule them all... one strategy to find t- er but it definitely has practical uses. Think about any 4 player ramped mains map. It's relatively common to block your ramp if you can by that time, and if they scout you last you'll definitely be able to block it, and without arousing any suspicion. You don't go stove unless you know you're the vastly better player if they scout you first and quickly, you have enough time to figure out whether you're gonna stove or not based on the game. If terran scouts you last, and the only thing he can scout is a goon blocking a ramp, the only thing he knows about your build is that you made a gateway somewhere and a goon. That knocks out very few possible strategies in his mind. He could assume you're playing "standard", for some 1gate expo, 2gate expo. You could be going 1gate or 2gate reaver, you could be going bulldog, maybe you're doing dt, or some mass speedlot timing attack bullshit. Or if you just read this guide, you could be going Stove. Who in the right mind would suspect it? Then holy shit he has a scout in his base! The only way to really counter this is by having made an early ebay, ie you have to suspect it's coming. That early ebay isn't viable vs half the other more likely strategical options you could've done since it makes their expo later, and they can expo first and ebay after and be fine vs the other half. Once a scout is there, what are they going to do? Waste money on marines who will only slowly lower the shields on the scout? The scout is going to kill the marine(s) and then go back to killing the scv making the ebay/turret. Not too long from then a dt is coming. Even with turrets, both the dt and scout can harass the terran in multiple places. If terran has mass goliaths, you're doing it wrong. Sure, you just spent the money requires to take an expo and a half on this tech, but you're able to harass terran, kill scvs you'd never normally be able to with another build, and completely threw his bo off. You should be able to salvage the scout even after it can't do any more damage, live another day to harass terran's main/nat/expo(s) or snipe shuttles, whatever. All stuff terran has to make turrets for and waste money on.