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art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1206 Posts
August 18 2014 00:57 GMT
#221
On August 18 2014 02:07 Falling wrote:
I submit that the Stove still works in the modern era, and against a better player. Just so long as they don't know about the build (so I suppose bumping this thread is counter productive.)

On the docket: Evidence A

Mind you it IS modified based on a Nightmarjaroo's replay. But I liked it because it relies on your opponent scouting you and seeing everything is normal, rather than blocking and being super suspicious early game. It delays tech a little, but gives me a small strike force.

And of course Confidence is key.

(Sorry Qikz, this is a brag post of sorts, but if it is any consolation, I did it because I didn't want to face your drop play.)

its all good. I remember watching that rep and talking to qikz on how to deal with it. That build as chef says only works on players who don't know what is going on. Despa won't fall for that again!!
Flash should fear Sacsri
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
August 18 2014 04:41 GMT
#222
Are you really gonna brag about beating someone who just got passed D+ for the first time in a PvT with that bo?
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-18 06:09:01
August 18 2014 06:08 GMT
#223
On August 18 2014 13:41 puppykiller wrote:
Are you really gonna brag about beating someone who just got passed D+ for the first time in a PvT with that bo?

why shouldn't he? It's all in good fun and shows that the stove still has a place even if its more of a surprise build. Also, Qikz is C- now though I dunno how he would rate his TvP.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11592 Posts
August 18 2014 06:31 GMT
#224
On August 18 2014 13:41 puppykiller wrote:
Are you really gonna brag about beating someone who just got passed D+ for the first time in a PvT with that bo?

When I've never gotten past 1700 on iccup, sure.
But C- you mean for Qikz.

But jokes, man. Qikz and I are cool (I think).
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-18 07:36:41
August 18 2014 07:36 GMT
#225
On August 18 2014 15:31 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2014 13:41 puppykiller wrote:
Are you really gonna brag about beating someone who just got passed D+ for the first time in a PvT with that bo?

When I've never gotten past 1700 on iccup, sure.
But C- you mean for Qikz.

But jokes, man. Qikz and I are cool (I think).

I dunno, if I was Qikz, I would be pretty pissed about losing to the stove He's probably scheming as we speak!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
August 18 2014 08:14 GMT
#226
On August 18 2014 15:31 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2014 13:41 puppykiller wrote:
Are you really gonna brag about beating someone who just got passed D+ for the first time in a PvT with that bo?

When I've never gotten past 1700 on iccup, sure.
But C- you mean for Qikz.

But jokes, man. Qikz and I are cool (I think).

Yes, that's what he means.

Once you pass D+ you get C-.
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
August 18 2014 20:27 GMT
#227
I couldn't type C- because I had spilled water on my keyboard yesterday and the "c" key wasn't working.

But still like really? Usually people don't like it when you show reps of winning with strats like this. This is the sort of strat you use to shit on someone else. I think that it is pretty BM to post it.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11592 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-18 21:21:58
August 18 2014 20:55 GMT
#228
Fair enough, but I didn't see it as a bm build.
I was matched up against Qikz, and I knew he usually does drop play. With my practice partners, I was absolutely failing to defend drop play on Aztec, but I remembered this build which is completely wonky and I wanted to throw him off his game with something weird. Dictate the flow of play if you will. (And if I was going to lose, I wanted to lose, failing at the Stove rather than just fizzling out as most of my poor defence vs drop plays were going. Go out in the blaze of glory.)

And it happened to work, and so I thought I'd post a successful game between two relatively even opponents. (I feel like you are approaching this as though I'm some B+ player stomping D newbies or something.) The 'bragging' part was a joke, but if Qikz truly feels I'm bm'ing him, he's free to open double rax proxy in my base or whatever and post that. I guess it could be interpreted as bm, but that was never the intention in selecting it as a strat in the first place.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
worosei
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia198 Posts
August 19 2014 00:43 GMT
#229
someone please use this in the reunion tournament...
Chameleon
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States604 Posts
August 31 2014 10:25 GMT
#230
A win with the Stove is cause for universal Protoss celebration. We're duty bound to share them. Cheers!
TL's #1 Horang2 fan
MisterBoba
Profile Joined January 2020
Russian Federation121 Posts
March 31 2020 21:08 GMT
#231
How defense vs 5 fact all-in? Goliath range make hard for arbiter not die also.
If enjoyed way you spend time, then it was not waste time )
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1550 Posts
April 10 2020 08:26 GMT
#232
Here is an example from at least 10 years ago C/C-
The hardest variation is to make a DA with Mind Control get an SCV and nuke the Terran.



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