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First of all, thanks for reading this.
Problem:
I,m currently at my parents' house, 2 1/2 month semester break, no internet connection, no SC, I can't improve.
So, I thought of training with SC A.I. (Entropy, Racine Rebel), I usually play melee
1vs2 Protoss, 1vs3 Protoss, and 1vs1 for build practice
Question
- Can I improve my game sense and mechanic by playing against A.I.? Because most of the time I,m practically just turtled in my main to defends against the rush.
- The rush usually came after 4-5 minutes into the game, consist of dozen of zealot and 5-6 dragoon, playing against this every single day, can it help me defends against cheese by real player?
- I usually went 21/ expo, but against the A.I. extremely early DT rush, i usually either go for mines upgrade or ebay first. So, how much of this can help me against the real DT rush? Does the timing I used against the A.I. will be relevant against real player?
- 3 A.I usually can be compared with which ICCUP rank? C-? D+? D? or is it nothing compared to even D-?
Other Information
- I,m a Terran player.
- TvP is my weakest match up
- I usually played in Garena, and just recently change to ICCUP.
- Nobody in the radius of 25km around my neighbourhood played SC.
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I'll make a post about this later.
For build order, play a custom game.
For fighting, play campaign, preferably the late bw missions, as you are put in a weaker position than the enemy, and thus you have to build up. Plus, they never give you a decent amount of drones, so work on that too.
I'll give you a list once my seven-day noob period is over.
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You could do the practice drill where you play against a computer and just focus on your macro. That will help your macro out. Try to maintain a consistent apm and keep your minerals under a certain number. Once you beat that goal, set the bars higher.
Could also work on build orders and that stuff.
And if you're bored you could always play those UMS micro maps.
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Hotkey practice, macro practice and multitasking practice (keep your scouting SCV alive while you do all this)
And specific build orders
I think thats the most you can get out of playing computers
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The computer is a formidable foe. The dreaded 2-gate 12-zealot timing push has slain countless C Zergs.
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
The computer is nothing close to a human player. The timings are totally different. Computers don't do standard builds and they can't think like a human player can. Just play on iccup.
If you just played against computers, you're D-.
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For fighting, play campaign, preferably the late bw missions, as you are put in a weaker position than the enemy, and thus you have to build up. Plus, they never give you a decent amount of drones, so work on that too.
Yeah, i usually train with that too. I,m trying too kept playing under pressure so that I can withstand cheese and rush from real player in the future.
Try to maintain a consistent apm and keep your minerals under a certain number.
Well, the thing is, it was really hard for me to keep the minerals under 300 when playing a handicap match, the rush only stop for less then a 30-ish seconds, and when it come, I need to focus on my unit micro.
I once tried going for 2 racks, 3 bunkers at nat with SCV constantly repairing it, I managed to succesfully defend against all the rush but somehow it make me worried that doing such a weird build will mess up my game sense.
I usually go either for strong FD, 5-fact or Flash build but only 5 fact build work against the constant rush.
The computer is nothing close to a human player. The timings are totally different. Computers don't do standard builds and they can't think like a human player can. Just play on iccup.
If you just played against computers, you're D-.
Well, i,m aware of that but you see, I can't play on ICCUP without Internet connection, no matter how much i wanted too.
So, I,m training with the A.I. to improve my basic (Macro,micro,hotkeys,low mineral,build order)
and I thought Entropy A.I. is good enough for basic training since it used the exact build, or am i wrong?
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and I thought Entropy A.I. is good enough for basic training since it used the exact build, or am i wrong?
Entropy A.I. is a good tool, for practicing without an internet connection, probably one of the best ways I know.
That AI also has a bunch of default Builds, so U can get a variety of plays. Its better than the orginal BW AI but not as good as a Human player.
The best thing to do is to play a 1v1 against it, and if you find yourself winning easily and at a consistent rate, then start doing 1v2 and so on.
1v2 and up may not be the ideal situation in a standard game but it can teach you to play under pressure.
I find myself using Entropy AI whenever I don't feeling like going on ICCUP or BNET. It can be a good practice tool if used correctly.
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Although you won't learn 'game sense' you can definitely improve macro and micro and increase your usefulness of apm.
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I see. Thanks for the info.
I guess I,ll just stick with Entropy A.I. for now.
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United States16280 Posts
A good way to build your multitask to is to do worker harass with your scouting worker for 1v3, go up to one of their probes and they'll all hop off the worker lines and chase you around, you can basically take out one computer this way but you'll sacrifice a considerable amount of your attention and apm.
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Russian Federation386 Posts
On June 03 2009 10:29 genryou wrote:
First of all, thanks for reading this.
Problem:
I,m currently at my parents' house, 2 1/2 month semester break, no internet connection, no SC, I can't improve.
So, I thought of training with SC A.I. (Entropy, Racine Rebel), I usually play melee
1vs2 Protoss, 1vs3 Protoss, and 1vs1 for build practice
Question
- Can I improve my game sense and mechanic by playing against A.I.? Because most of the time I,m practically just turtled in my main to defends against the rush.
- The rush usually came after 4-5 minutes into the game, consist of dozen of zealot and 5-6 dragoon, playing against this every single day, can it help me defends against cheese by real player?
- I usually went 21/ expo, but against the A.I. extremely early DT rush, i usually either go for mines upgrade or ebay first. So, how much of this can help me against the real DT rush? Does the timing I used against the A.I. will be relevant against real player?
- 3 A.I usually can be compared with which ICCUP rank? C-? D+? D? or is it nothing compared to even D-?
Other Information
- I,m a Terran player.
- TvP is my weakest match up
- I usually played in Garena, and just recently change to ICCUP.
- Nobody in the radius of 25km around my neighbourhood played SC.
Usually, playing vs bot is a bad idea. The only thing you can improve by doing it is to get familiar with using hotkeys and macro.
Bots a below D-. They always do the same thing, don't macro, don't micro, build stuff in random locations and are extremely stupid. All they can do is to attack you with 12 zealots. They can't even DT rush properly.
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United States17042 Posts
Playing against any of the AI's is good, and then just continue to add the AI's to get better. Start with one, and when you start winning 1v3 with mnm only you know that you're the next boxer ^^ more seriously though, I think that's the best kind of training that you're going to be able to get without a practice partner
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Usually, playing vs bot is a bad idea. The only thing you can improve by doing it is to get familiar with using hotkeys and macro.
Haha, its okay because for me improving my basic is the most important atm, it just that I,m worried whether practicing with A.I. can help me against real player at all.
Anyway, after creating this topic, I no longer have doubt, I,ll just keep training with Entropy.
when you start winning 1v3 with mnm only you know that you're the next boxer
heh, I,ll take that as my next goal.
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On June 03 2009 11:01 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
The computer is a formidable foe. The dreaded 2-gate 12-zealot timing push has slain countless C Zergs.
This.
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blank map practice bo's gogogo
I do this alot anyway cause the internet where i stay is laggy during the day (too many people  )
Watch reps, learn build timings for builds, learn to adapt your builds. Learn new builds. play in chaos so you get that clock during games and can learn and write down timings. Can you block rushes at different points?
Loads of stuff you can do without a connection
Don't play against the AI though, thats stupid.
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Look for some good micro maps. There's a really cool defiler zvt micro map that simulates late game zvt pretty well. You have to macro off 3-4 bases, and kill setups of T units. There's a harder version where you'll even get countered alot.
Depending on how much you know about the matchups, you can just simulate what would be going on at certain points in the game. I used to play ZvT against the computer and run through a typical ZvT. It can actually help alot with multitasking while mutaing, and constantly leapfrogging lurkers back and forth.
For TvP, you would benefit alot from just drilling BOs a ton, and practicing pushing correctly. Micro maps would help a lot for TvZ
The only other thing I can think of is using reps to find of certain attacks, like dt drop after expo, reaver before expo etc. And practicing your build orders to deflect those in time.
Search around for some good micro maps for Terran, I know I had a few that were pretty fun. There's a ton of stuff you can do to make yourself better at SC without being able to play other people, it's just stuff that gets kinda boring after a while.
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Practicing new build orders against an AI until you you can perform them perfectly is good.
Of course it wont train you how to react against certain cheese or harrasments or unique situatinos that other human players may throw at you.
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