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Danger_Duck
Burkina Faso571 Posts
When my corsair or speed shuttle encounters scourge, I make a bee-line back to my cannons. If I move the trajectory at all, the scourge usually catches up and kills the fella. The question: How the heck do pros like Bisu twist and turn their flying units around so that the scourge doesn't catch up? Is there a certain angle I'm missing? I'm completely baffled by this mystery, and if anyone could explain how to dodge scourge, I would much appreciate it. | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
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Pyro]v[aniac
United States147 Posts
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
actually, here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=65335#3 | ||
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danieldrsa
Brazil523 Posts
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Agro_Z
United States138 Posts
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CommanderFluffy
Taiwan1059 Posts
How to dodge the scourge while maintaining air unit speed? maybe i'm wrong and this is impossible, but when i watch pro zvzs they seem to scourge dodge/attack while moving at constant speed. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On December 07 2008 10:56 NoobsOfWrath wrote: Search TL for "the chinese triangle" actually, here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=65335#3 Nice link edit: lol @ the commentator actually makes a funny compliment to savior at the end.. savior true hero to all zerg players | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On December 07 2008 12:31 Agro_Z wrote: As a zerg, I rarely have to deal with enemy scourge (unless zvz, but usually it never gets past the 5 pool part of the game), but I think its like the concept of when your worker is being chased by a speedling, how do you move so that it never catches up? this is impossible, the speedlings are much much faster than any worker. | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On December 07 2008 13:22 GHOSTCLAW wrote: this is impossible, the speedlings are much much faster than any worker. Against normal lings, workers are the same rate as them, so you can dodge with good micro. Pros dodge speedlings by trickery. They switch direction, do a lot of funny business, clip through minerals, etc. etc. It confuses the AI so that their scouts don't die. What isn't obvious in progames is that both players are furiously microing their scouts/lings to keep their scout alive or to kill the scout, but it isn't obvious the the casual viewer. To the OP, you can't dodge scourage with sairs. You just have to fly them far enough so the scourge doesn't catch you or until you can fly over cannons or something and the scourage has to back off. The key is always, always maintain airspeed - if you stop or forget about your sair, it's dead. | ||
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On December 07 2008 10:56 NoobsOfWrath wrote: Search TL for "the chinese triangle" actually, here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=65335#3 OMG, i feel i'm soooo noob now, i didnt even know about these triangles, and even now that i read about it i'm sure i couldnt use it, it looks far too difficult. *feels ashamed and goes to watch the TL - YG english cast | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 07 2008 10:56 NoobsOfWrath wrote: Search TL for "the chinese triangle" actually, here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=65335#3 We're not talking about computers here, I hope. | ||
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Ny_Doves
Australia4 Posts
On December 07 2008 20:01 Shikyo wrote: We're not talking about computers here, I hope. it's not about playing computers, it's about tricking the AI that controls the scourge. So it works if your opponent just selected his scourge and right-clicked on your unit. Which is what most people do. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
Nah just kiddin, I saw a highlight of Rainbow where he did something with his corsairs, he made them dance over the cannon and the zerg pulled back when he realized that the cannon was owning stuff... | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 07 2008 20:39 Ny_Doves wrote: it's not about playing computers, it's about tricking the AI that controls the scourge. So it works if your opponent just selected his scourge and right-clicked on your unit. Which is what most people do. they get confused so, so rarely in my games that I wonder :/ I always get hit when I do the "chinese triangle" but it works fine in UMS. I think the computer just can't micro | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
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ish0wstopper
Korea (South)342 Posts
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Pyro]v[aniac
United States147 Posts
watch from 25 seconds to 35 seconds.... please explain how to do this? ahh, wait, this video is better:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg7IP3x0yvY | ||
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Danger_Duck
Burkina Faso571 Posts
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
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Hundredth
United Kingdom142 Posts
That Mutalisk Control link looks good, but it's probably something you'll pick up from experience once you get the gist (you can't really memorise the correct angle :p). | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On December 07 2008 23:50 Shikyo wrote: they get confused so, so rarely in my games that I wonder :/ I always get hit when I do the "chinese triangle" but it works fine in UMS. I think the computer just can't micro Note that the "chinese triangle" only works for the attack-move AI of scourge. If an 'attack' command is given to a specific unit with scourge, there is no way to trick the AI. | ||
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:30 Geo.Rion wrote: OMG, i feel i'm soooo noob now, i didnt even know about these triangles, and even now that i read about it i'm sure i couldnt use it, it looks far too difficult. *feels ashamed and goes to watch the TL - YG english cast Don't worry, these triangles aren't too vital to gameplay. Patrol is usually a much more effective form of micro of muta vs scourge. Then again, with the scourge and shuttle, I had no idea either. And above, that isn't true. Patrol tricks their AI into slowing down. | ||
Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
wait... | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On December 09 2008 05:27 Archaic wrote: Don't worry, these triangles aren't too vital to gameplay. Patrol is usually a much more effective form of micro of muta vs scourge. Then again, with the scourge and shuttle, I had no idea either. And above, that isn't true. Patrol tricks their AI into slowing down. Everyone I know uses 'attack' when they engage mutas with their scourge (as in, right click the muta with the scourge), I don't know anyone who microes their scourge using patrol, so this probably never comes into effect. | ||
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Ny_Doves
Australia4 Posts
On December 09 2008 06:22 Live2Win wrote: they go on the sent side wait... that doesnt work if theres a balanar on the other team and its night time | ||
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
On December 09 2008 15:48 Ny_Doves wrote: that doesnt work if theres a balanar on the other team and its night time That's doesn't really make sense. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On December 09 2008 04:35 Hundredth wrote: Uh, wtf? So you're just saying 'make more sairs!'? That's stupid lol That Mutalisk Control link looks good, but it's probably something you'll pick up from experience once you get the gist (you can't really memorise the correct angle :p). wait, were you referring to me? I don't recall anything about making more sairs, and I don't think anyone had mentioned it because it's outright stupid. I was just referring to the rainbow video because it was the first thing that came to mind when I saw those triangles. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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TimmyMac
Canada499 Posts
On December 08 2008 01:40 ish0wstopper wrote: if you have enough sairs, u wont have to worry about dodging scourge You usually wait till you have 7 before doing anything? | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On December 10 2008 09:34 TimmyMac wrote: You usually wait till you have 7 before doing anything? apparently that's what he does. | ||
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