EPTCan terran air work in TvZ and TvP
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SiarX
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kogeT
Poland2042 Posts
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iopq
United States1077 Posts
In addition, cloaked wraiths are a common counter to ledge guardians because the Zerg won't research overlord speed with it. Even if the Zerg has an overlord over the ledge, you can spend one irradiate on it, and then kill the guardians while invisible (doesn't matter what Zerg attempts to guard them with) | ||
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RKC
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radley
Poland582 Posts
For upgradfes, you use 2 armories in this build. First reasarch +1 weapon ground / air, then +2 air / +1 air armor, then max both attack. You generally dont need +2 ground so fast, since you only defend with siege and vultures in ride are used to destroy shields (wraiths are used to destroy canons hit points). After u get 4 gas bases, you can start switching to bcs and increase ground production, especially tanks. Make only around 6-8 bcs in mix, since they are mostly used to get attention of dragoons and help dealing with zealots. Also bcs destroy carriers in similar numbers, thanks to yamato. The build is extremely difficult to execute, but fun to play. I never do that if latency is worse than 20 low. Use at your own risk. | ||
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ajmbek
Italy460 Posts
On December 19 2021 22:04 radley wrote: Mass wraiths into mass bc / vult / tanks are viable on maps with many expos on highground and one ramp, where u can defend each base with bunker and 2-3 tanks, when spending rest of money on building wraiths / vutlures and focus on harrassment until toss gets proper counter (ht/corsair). Mass canon defending expos is easy to kill with group of wraiths + 10 vultures (8 canons vs that is nothing). Generaly its good to not build more than 18 wraiths at same time, since they are expensive and easy to lose in one bad move. Its better to just poke with them on expansions when protoss army is on other side of map + snipe obs / arbs and rely on mine fields to stop / decrease protoss army. For upgradfes, you use 2 armories in this build. First reasarch +1 weapon ground / air, then +2 air / +1 air armor, then max both attack. You generally dont need +2 ground so fast, since you only defend with siege and vultures in ride are used to destroy shields (wraiths are used to destroy canons hit points). After u get 4 gas bases, you can start switching to bcs and increase ground production, especially tanks. Make only around 6-8 bcs in mix, since they are mostly used to get attention of dragoons and help dealing with zealots. Also bcs destroy carriers in similar numbers, thanks to yamato. The build is extremely difficult to execute, but fun to play. I never do that if latency is worse than 20 low. Use at your own risk. that is no good advice | ||
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Jealous
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On December 19 2021 21:13 RKC wrote: Why go BC when you can just mass crazy amounts of marines and medics and bust through crazy amounts of sunkens? We have seen Zerg try to Crazy Zerg and fail in ASL, going crazy things like defensive guardians just trying to stay alive so they can get enough ultras out in time.I've heard a lot about going BC to counter Crazy Zerg in recent casts (Artosis casting a replay of Scan v Jaedong, if I recall correctly). I've not seen any BCs in ASL though. Any examples of games between top pros? | ||
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att
128 Posts
On December 21 2021 06:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Why go BC when you can just mass crazy amounts of marines and medics and bust through crazy amounts of sunkens? We have seen Zerg try to Crazy Zerg and fail in ASL, going crazy things like defensive guardians just trying to stay alive so they can get enough ultras out in time. In late game, terran takes soo much apm to micro and macro. using BCs reduces that microing amount tremendously so that is already an advantage in it self. Similar to how ultras make zerg easier to micro, due to less units needed | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On December 19 2021 17:13 SiarX wrote: i.e. mass wraiths and/or battlecruisers. It seems that they dont get much use in TvZ and TvP. Should not wraiths be effective for harassing overlords and entire protoss army after sniping observers? And cruisers can withstand multiple psi storms or scourges. Yeah, I hear ya. Some ppl say there’s a lot of Terran air unit play in TvZ and TvP, but I think it’s rarer than they believe. In a lot of games, the most frequently built Terran air unit is the Sci Vessel or sometimes the dropship, lol.  It probably goes back to the 1.04 patch, where Blizzard nerfed Wraiths’ ground attack (Scouts’ too). Never much understood the reason for that, since there’d be corsairs and valks to take care of roving packs of wraiths and scouts. Unless Bliz was worried about Zerg not having good enough and early enough counters for same? Maybe? But at the same time, Bliz didn’t nerf the Mutalisk ground attack any… so now you know why when you see tactical air units used en masse in a game (wraiths, scouts, mutas), it’s usually by Zerg. TvT is an exception, but you implied that already. | ||
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