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iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States939 Posts
September 06 2021 04:44 GMT
#21
On August 28 2021 18:21 zimp wrote:
It's funny that you picked Movie, because he is one of the slowest pros, he only has ~200 apm. Most pro players have 220-350. Very few pro players have 400 apm consistently.

Almost all modern Zergs sustain 400 APM at all times

very few PROTOSS pros have 400
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
September 30 2021 07:59 GMT
#22
On September 06 2021 13:44 iopq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2021 18:21 zimp wrote:
It's funny that you picked Movie, because he is one of the slowest pros, he only has ~200 apm. Most pro players have 220-350. Very few pro players have 400 apm consistently.

Almost all modern Zergs sustain 400 APM at all times

very few PROTOSS pros have 400

proof please?
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zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary951 Posts
September 30 2021 20:04 GMT
#23
that would be hard to prove, as it's not true. Cola, Effort, Sacsri, Hyuk - they have over 400 APM consistently from the zergs. There are some other players that reach around 400 when they try their best, or when their build requires constant clicking - typically early-mid game muta micro - but they don't have it all times. like Jaedong
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 07 2021 00:14 GMT
#24
HyuK always has 400+ APM but -400 brain lol. Movie used to have solid APM back in KeSPA days but he become lazy lately, that's why he never passes round of 32 anymore.
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Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway701 Posts
October 07 2021 17:44 GMT
#25
Didnt Effort also have high apm?
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3128 Posts
October 11 2021 03:09 GMT
#26
As previously mentioned, fix your hotkeys.

Then, you want to stream yourself playing and watch the fpvod and pay very close attention to your habits. Take note of things that are difficult for you or slow you down such as do you sometimes:

1. mess up inputs when you 1a2a3a, execute macro cycles, choose which new building to construct or set control groups
2. pause at times to watch animations you don't need to watch, or just to think about what to do next
3. repeat commands that don't need to be repeated
4. waste time fixing miss clicks
5. not complete actions as quick as they can be completed (such as rapid macro cycles or putting down buildings slowly)


Only some of these things will lower your actual APM number but they all will make you a slow player. Each of them can be addressed, how you address them may require some creativity and hard effort from you however.
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CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
528 Posts
October 12 2021 17:57 GMT
#27
it’s not necessary to have a high apm constantly throughout the game

it is necessary to be able to have it spike in the key moments of a game and to run it up as your supply increases

to be honest if you’ve been playing for 10 years already it’s very hard to break physical habits and increase apm. easier to recognize when you’re being too slow and focus on making more impactful actions when it counts
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2277 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-14 08:14:35
October 14 2021 07:56 GMT
#28
On September 06 2021 13:44 iopq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2021 18:21 zimp wrote:
It's funny that you picked Movie, because he is one of the slowest pros, he only has ~200 apm. Most pro players have 220-350. Very few pro players have 400 apm consistently.

Almost all modern Zergs sustain 400 APM at all times

very few PROTOSS pros have 400



protoss needs more precision than zerg... so less apm = more effectiveness with protoss. but if a protoss is a god mechanically the race becomes super strong... aka bisu in his prime or jangbi in his prime...

Zerg needs more speed because of the mechanics that are involved in the macro aspect of the race.

letmelose wrote about that shit 4 years ago in a very detailed and insteresting thread.

https://tl.net/blogs/525702-which-race-is-most-heavily-affected-by-mechanics

On October 08 2021 02:44 Timebon3s wrote:
Didnt Effort also have high apm?


he was able to beat FlaSh using aggro builds...

what is your guess?
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iNstiN
Profile Joined March 2012
16 Posts
October 14 2021 17:39 GMT
#29
On September 06 2021 13:44 iopq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2021 18:21 zimp wrote:
It's funny that you picked Movie, because he is one of the slowest pros, he only has ~200 apm. Most pro players have 220-350. Very few pro players have 400 apm consistently.

Almost all modern Zergs sustain 400 APM at all times

very few PROTOSS pros have 400


You're so off man you don't even know what you're talking about
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CyberClarence
Profile Joined August 2024
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Last Edited: 2024-08-13 13:11:18
August 13 2024 10:05 GMT
#30
Bot edit.

User was banned for this post.
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-15 07:14:50
August 15 2024 07:08 GMT
#31
Zerg is always highest APM due to amount of spam needed with move commands (muta micro always drives up APM to insanity, plenty of ling movement, plenty of control groups that you need to spam around). Highest APM with zerg is playing 2 hath muta (99% micro 1% macro), easily 400-500 APM with almost nothing to do in the game but 100% focus on flying your muta in a stacked ball.

Terran is second highest APM due to tedious macro (marine/vulture builds fast etc.) and quite a bit of click micro (vulture spamming mines and moving around the map, marines stim+attack+target etc.). For that reason, In TvT, when games are more static, most terrans (incl. pros) go down to ~200 APM where games focuses more on taking positions and making buildings. Same terrans will have 400 APM in TvZ due to required constant attacks with M&M and macro for making marines.

Protoss is lowest APM due to longest build time for units and overall less clicks on units (less control groups, no high rate of fire rate units that need to be spammed when attacking etc.). Protoss micro is precise and relatively few clicks, further driving down APM.

All three derive from race design and needed mechanics. Having 300 APM with zerg most likley means you are slower than having 250 APM with protoss or terran. There are also individual styles/preferences, some people just put more focus to micro than macro, and that will always generate more APM, but doesn't mean is better.

On the topic though, for high APM (needed APM, not just spamming moving units around), the best to practice is to know what you need to do, and then doing it as fast as possible. So know your build order, know your reactions, know where you need to go with the army and how to fight. Your mind will then tell the muscles to do it, and the better you know, the faster you will try to click. Then of course comes practical mechanical exercises, like macroing from your keyboard or correct hotkey usage for micro.
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iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States939 Posts
August 15 2024 12:05 GMT
#32
On October 15 2021 02:39 iNstiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2021 13:44 iopq wrote:
On August 28 2021 18:21 zimp wrote:
It's funny that you picked Movie, because he is one of the slowest pros, he only has ~200 apm. Most pro players have 220-350. Very few pro players have 400 apm consistently.

Almost all modern Zergs sustain 400 APM at all times

very few PROTOSS pros have 400


You're so off man you don't even know what you're talking about


The slowest Zerg is Soulkey at 300 APM, I haven't seen any top Zerg slower than Soulkey. Sometimes he goes to 280 APM and people are like "look, SK can win with 200 APM" but it's not really 200
IsraelWilliams
Profile Joined August 2024
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August 18 2024 21:28 GMT
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IsraelWilliams
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Last Edited: 2024-08-25 21:14:58
August 25 2024 21:14 GMT
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tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada421 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-27 06:10:08
August 27 2024 06:10 GMT
#35
are you comparing yourself to ex-pro/amateur korean level APM?

if so, please keep in mind: most of these players have practiced for 8-12 hours, sometimes even for 16-18 hours (jaedong etc.), almost every day, for decades...
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
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