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TheBrochette
67 Posts
I.e . You are playing on fighting spirit and you both scout each other main and see the fast gaz and the zealot 16/17 then leave with your probe before the goon come out . You could obv gamble on 3gate or dt or 1 gate nexus ect .. possibly for a safe build 2 gate goons with obs ( there is so many build and variance ) But I'm wondering with the lack of info what would the best build in % to deal with most of the possibilities. | ||
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SuGo
United States681 Posts
2g robo 1g robo nexus (this can be tricky if you have a bad engage to start but can be quite safe if you micro well against aggression) | ||
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Jealous
10141 Posts
On May 27 2020 06:52 SuGo wrote: 3g obs 2g robo 1g robo nexus (this can be tricky if you have a bad engage to start but can be quite safe if you micro well against aggression) Seconding 3G Obs. If you see 1 Gate Gas before your Probe leaves you should add Robo then 2 Gates. Basically nothing will kill you, the only possibility is that you find yourself behind in tech or eco. With 3 Gate production you should be able to pressure greediness (1G Nexus), hold Reaver aggression/harassment, and with Obs you're safe from DT. It's by far the safest approach IMO. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
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MuNi
United States72 Posts
My favorite "safe" PvP build is 2 gate robo expand with two reavers. Very safe build. You can get the nexus before rvr depending on what you scout with probe or when you poke with ranged goons or you can get reaver before nexus if you feel aggression is comming. After you have two reavers and you get shuttle and speed and can move out to attack and harass. Very nice build all around. Weak against a risky 1 gate expand unless you scout it. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10671 Posts
On May 27 2020 06:52 SuGo wrote: 3g obs 2g robo 1g robo nexus (this can be tricky if you have a bad engage to start but can be quite safe if you micro well against aggression) I REALLY like 1gate Robo Nexus (defensive reaver) and macro accordingly. | ||
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TheBrochette
67 Posts
I think yea you can defend vs reaver push or add reaver yourself later on but it feel weak vs econ build and could also possibly lose vs a pure 3 gate ? | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia918 Posts
The non-probe cut ones get contained by a pure 3 gate(although they can break out with reaver/zealots and have eco lead), and are too late to break a good 1 gate nexus or 1 gate robo nexus build (on most maps) With probe cuts, there can be timings to do some pressure. Even then it can be problematic f.e. if they rushed reaver and skipped obs entirely, although micro vs scarabs can sometimes make it work anyway. But it is a safe build. Being slightly, or even significantly behind in economy in this matchup, is not that big of a deal if you have good control/map presence/harass. Regarding eco, it is also a matter of how many goons you make, etc. A 1 gate nexus is possible to scout with a probe/goon poke and then you just get your own nexus, if it is too late to pressure, and cut goons. You're behind on eco, ahead on tech, and your obs will have a free reign over their main / you did not take risks early. If it is a 1 gate robo nexus, then it is harder to spot, but you also could cancel any production goons and make a nexus vs it you wish. Even if your scouting got entirely blocked, you won't be terribly behind on nexus timing vs a 1gate robo nex. All of the above is IMO, a better protoss should be able to give a better answer  | ||
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TornadoSteve
1017 Posts
as i said several times, pvp build are less important (unless no detection vs dt,etc) than your priority on probes over units // units over probes | ||
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MuNi
United States72 Posts
On May 27 2020 21:38 Anc13nt wrote: bit of a troll answer here but I feel like dt build is very solid. Doesn't matter what build I do but I just hate fighting a protoss who goes dt in pvp. tbh I think dt is probably the most annoying unit (up there with the vulture) in the whole game now that I think of it. Really? Dt is more annoying than mutas? Everytime a DT gets into my mineral line I think "ah man I messed up". But a control group of mutas from a good zerg is more than annoying. It can feel impossible sometimes. | ||
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Jealous
10141 Posts
On May 28 2020 10:42 TornadoSteve wrote: 2g obs > 3g obs ainec, on maps like FS not sure if ppl are trolling or not. as i said several times, pvp build are less important (unless no detection vs dt,etc) than your priority on probes over units // units over probes Op specifically asked for "safest" build and 3G Obs is safer than 2G. | ||
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MuNi
United States72 Posts
On May 28 2020 10:42 TornadoSteve wrote: 2g obs > 3g obs ainec, on maps like FS not sure if ppl are trolling or not. as i said several times, pvp build are less important (unless no detection vs dt,etc) than your priority on probes over units // units over probes How is the build less important? It's by far the most gimmicky of all the match ups. There are alot of coin flips in pvp. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On May 28 2020 10:58 MuNi wrote: Really? Dt is more annoying than mutas? Everytime a DT gets into my mineral line I think "ah man I messed up". But a control group of mutas from a good zerg is more than annoying. It can feel impossible sometimes. i play zerg too so I cannot in good conscience say i find mutas annoying lol. They are my lifeblood whenever I play zerg. | ||
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TheBrochette
67 Posts
What in looking for is " what is the best build to do % wise in a normal situation " like described above . I'm not looking to just survive but to be in decent spot . | ||
KwarK
United States42596 Posts
On May 27 2020 21:38 Anc13nt wrote: bit of a troll answer here but I feel like dt build is very solid. Doesn't matter what build I do but I just hate fighting a protoss who goes dt in pvp. tbh I think dt is probably the most annoying unit (up there with the vulture) in the whole game now that I think of it. I do dt build every game and if you're comfortable with your adaptations (not following with cannon expand vs 2 gate obs etc.) then it's very strong. I do it even when scouted, although I'll often skip the dt if they see the archives. I like it because it gives you a lot of initiative and forces the game down a path you’re more likely to be familiar with. Sometimes you need range, a second gate, and storm before you can expand and sometimes you get a quick nex behind one cannon but you never straight up lose and it’s always playable. | ||
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insanimsi
Turkey12 Posts
On May 27 2020 21:38 Anc13nt wrote: bit of a troll answer here but I feel like dt build is very solid. Doesn't matter what build I do but I just hate fighting a protoss who goes dt in pvp. tbh I think dt is probably the most annoying unit (up there with the vulture) in the whole game now that I think of it. DT are best units in this game if your opponent doesnt makes a lot of detectors. enter the base with 2 shuttle and kill all buildings but first destroy detectors and comsat. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10671 Posts
On June 03 2020 05:22 insanimsi wrote: DT are best units in this game if your opponent doesnt makes a lot of detectors. enter the base with 2 shuttle and kill all buildings but first destroy detectors and comsat. Wow this is a good piece of info, 2 shuttles with DT's before a lot of detection. | ||
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KwarK
United States42596 Posts
On June 03 2020 12:43 GGzerG wrote: Wow this is a good piece of info, 2 shuttles with DT's before a lot of detection. Should definitely be possible before comsat in PvP. | ||
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Jealous
10141 Posts
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insanimsi
Turkey12 Posts
On June 03 2020 12:43 GGzerG wrote: Wow this is a good piece of info, 2 shuttles with DT's before a lot of detection. Man there is terrans who forget them. He is looks like a noob (like me) and if you play a noobs 1v1 in ladder this thing will work. I only tried once this because it was last breathes of me in other games i mostly use goons+zeas. | ||
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insanimsi
Turkey12 Posts
On June 03 2020 12:47 KwarK wrote: Should definitely be possible before comsat in PvP. I just write it to say my thinkings abot dt. I am out of topic. | ||
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insanimsi
Turkey12 Posts
On June 03 2020 13:09 Jealous wrote: While DTs may be good without detection is true against Protoss and Terran, never forget that Zerg gets free detectors. For that reason, it is actually Mutalisks that are the strongest unit in the game, as long as your opponent does not make any units or buildings that attack air units. Plus, they are cheaper than DTs. GG. That s true . | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Jealous
10141 Posts
At some point when you're trolling, you end up being a bigger problem than the idiot you're trolling. | ||
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