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2vs2 strategies for (almost) all MUs

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Zaibakk
Profile Joined May 2017
101 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-15 12:50:00
November 15 2019 12:40 GMT
#1
Hi guys,
I just want to share all my notes on BOs in 2vs2.
Any comment?
Enjoy!

==========================
ZZ vs ZZ:
1Z 9op gas, into fast muta 1h (speedlings meanwhile)
2Z 12p gas, then fast 2nd hatch then mass speedling, then teching muta too

ZZ vs ZP:
1Z(ZZ) makes 9p/9op gas,
2z(ZZ) makes 12p/12-11-10h gas, one of them lings + fast muta +1armor,
while the other 3h mass speedlings+1 then queens then hive tech crack and defilers, then hydra, and make spores for both.
Z(ZP) makes 12p no gas into hatch, then mass speedlings, only when super bunked up on ramp and massed a lot of lings can tech muta, make lurkers vs lings+swarm,
P(ZP) makes 1gate/2gate tech into 2stargate mass sairs+1.

ZZ vs ZT:
1Z(ZZ) makes 9p/9op gas,
2z(ZZ) makes 12p/12-11-10h gas, one of them lings + fast muta,
while the other 3h mass speedlings+1 then queens then hive tech crack and defilers.
Z(ZT) makes 9p/9op no gas into hatch ramp, then mass speedlings, later switch muta;
T(ZT) makes 2rax academy, force sunkens with push OR 3port wraiths OR valks/vessels fast,
then both Z and T take exp and make turrets

ZT vs ZT:
Z makes 9op into fast muta 1h, sunk on ramp
T makes tech, into 2 facts, 3 vults, then mass liats into 3 fact and +1 attack

ZT vs ZP:
Z(ZT) makes 9op no gas into mass speedlings burrow w hatch on cliff, then spores, then tech muta (OR hydra);
T(ZT) makes 2rax academy and rush into Z, then vessels (OR full mech good with hydra);
Z(ZP) makes 9op into some lings into fast muta;
P(ZP) makes 2g zealot contain z, while double cannons on both ramps, while tech onto reaver drop OR templar tech speedlots+1 dts DA storms

ZT vs PT:
Z(ZT) makes 9p gas speed 6 lings, into ramp (or natural) hatch, into mass speedling+1, into hydra (or muta);
T(ZT) go vult/tanks contains T, while Z contains P (or drop liat with muta);

ZT vs TT
Z(ZT) makes 9p gas 6 lings lair 1h into fast muta;
T(ZT) go 1 vult go ramp Z, then mass liats (+ drop liat with muta depends on map) OR vults + tanks;

ZT vs PP:
Z(ZT) makes 9p gas speed 6 lings, into ramp (or natural) hatch, into mass speedling+1, into hydra (or muta);
T(ZT) go vult/tanks contains T, while Z contains P;

ZP vs ZP:
Z makes 9p gas lair first, then tech fast muta 1h
P 2g into tech

ZP vs PT:
Z(ZP) makes 9p gas lair 1h into some lings into fast muta;
P(ZP) makes 2g zealot, while double cannons on both ramps, while tech mass goons onto reaver drop OR templar tech speedlots+1 dts DA storms
==========================
KG.GoodFella
Profile Joined August 2019
4 Posts
December 05 2019 05:40 GMT
#2
Python

PZ is the most dominating setup (except ZR - into ZZ).
9p 3h speedlings, 3g zealots. Block ramp enemy Z, and then 2 vs 1 opponent.
Z-1h muta to control map, while P expands.
The main issue - is to separate enemy forces. Fight 2 vs 1.
Zaibakk
Profile Joined May 2017
101 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-06 10:15:10
December 06 2019 10:11 GMT
#3
On December 05 2019 14:40 KG.GoodFella wrote:
Python

PZ is the most dominating setup (except ZR - into ZZ).
9p 3h speedlings, 3g zealots. Block ramp enemy Z, and then 2 vs 1 opponent.
Z-1h muta to control map, while P expands.
The main issue - is to separate enemy forces. Fight 2 vs 1.


1) You mean PZ vs PZ in Python?
2) I guess you explained 2 different strategies? Which one is the best in your opinion?
3) I don't think you can really FE in 2v2, especially in PZ vs PZ.
krocan.cz
Profile Joined June 2015
58 Posts
December 19 2019 09:30 GMT
#4
im looking for gosu 2v2 replay packs. any idea?
Zaibakk
Profile Joined May 2017
101 Posts
December 19 2019 09:52 GMT
#5
Best games are finals/semifinals:
http://defiler.ru/tourney/?t=518
http://defiler.ru/tourney/?t=517
http://defiler.ru/tourney/?t=516
http://defiler.ru/tourney/?t=514
http://defiler.ru/tourney/?t=512
KG.GoodFella
Profile Joined August 2019
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-14 11:41:11
February 14 2020 11:29 GMT
#6
On December 06 2019 19:11 Zaibakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2019 14:40 KG.GoodFella wrote:
Python

PZ is the most dominating setup (except ZR - into ZZ).
9p 3h speedlings, 3g zealots. Block ramp enemy Z, and then 2 vs 1 opponent.
Z-1h muta to control map, while P expands.
The main issue - is to separate enemy forces. Fight 2 vs 1.


1) You mean PZ vs PZ in Python?
2) I guess you explained 2 different strategies? Which one is the best in your opinion?
3) I don't think you can really FE in 2v2, especially in PZ vs PZ.



1. PZ vs ZRandom. I dont consider PP, PT etc. cause competitive teams have ZR at least.
2. We play as following, 9p speed lings to block Z ramp, then replace with zealots. Lings should check Random build order. And leave 1 ling to check Random ramp when Random plans push. Or Block. And then we fight 2 vs 1 (Random ). Cannon enemy ramp (especially Random= Terran) from our Toss is also win strategy.

3. Protoss expands when we block Z. Zerg (safe play) - 3h lings or (more risky aggressive) - 1h muta. Protoss should not be greedy, pump mass goons.
3. No FE from Protoss, the main issue is to block Z(enemy) ramp at first. And winning strategy - separate enemy forces, split them, speed lings help a lot to put pressure 2 vs 1


This strategy is struggling against ZZ team: 12p 1h muta, 9pool speed into 3h lings is superior dominant. Out team playing mostly TP, so I switched from T to Z. Even weak ZZ opponents could easily win against more skilled TP setup.
SouL)Z(Silver
Profile Joined September 2019
Russian Federation347 Posts
February 15 2020 06:42 GMT
#7
On December 19 2019 18:52 Zaibakk wrote:
Best games are finals/semifinals:
http://defiler.ru/tourney/?t=518
http://defiler.ru/tourney/?t=517
http://defiler.ru/tourney/?t=516
http://defiler.ru/tourney/?t=514
http://defiler.ru/tourney/?t=512

Wow, u post all my 2v2 gosu tourneys, thx for it!) very gosu games
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andertalets77
Profile Joined February 2019
143 Posts
July 25 2021 16:51 GMT
#8
How play zz vs pt ?
Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
250 Posts
July 26 2021 02:08 GMT
#9
On July 26 2021 01:51 andertalets77 wrote:
How play zz vs pt ?

Both go Muta is how the best Z user Belladona used to play it.
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
July 27 2021 21:24 GMT
#10
On July 26 2021 01:51 andertalets77 wrote:
How play zz vs pt ?


kill p or t fast.
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BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
July 27 2021 21:38 GMT
#11
what could be the best PT vs TZ?
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