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Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
October 08 2014 23:52 GMT
#21
On October 09 2014 08:47 Pucca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 01:47 ninazerg wrote:
On October 08 2014 15:53 Pucca wrote:
On October 08 2014 13:41 ninazerg wrote:
On October 06 2014 05:54 Sero wrote:
I'm assuming that Pucca is joking, but it's hard to tell with him sometimes. FS is still by far the most popular map.


Yeah, his sense of humor is like D- level.

Incidentally, Liquid`Nazgul said once that Neo Legacy of Char is the worst map ever made. I disagree; I think Luna is trash. I understand the appeal of FS though, because it allows bad players to abuse the map and win games that they shouldn't, which is why when they get destroyed on any other map, they go "go re fs?" which is some pussy shit, because if I lost on one map, and I said "Go re on Neo Electric Circuit?" they would instantly refuse.


Woah there, time to take a minute and relax gal. You need to legit serious reconsider what you just said. If you can't, considering jumping off a bridge. I mean you'd be doing everyone a favor.


There's a little wooden bridge over the creek. One time, I hopped off of it and made big splash in the water. That being said, I have taken some time to reconsider what I had said, and have decided that it was appropriate.


Why be a generic ass hole to me? What did ever to you? For once in your life, stop with the foreplay and either be direct, or shut up.

lolwut
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GrimwulfSC2
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada43 Posts
October 10 2014 23:34 GMT
#22
Expand when you can defence it.
"It's not that he's dumb, he's just neural parasited by a retarded infestor." -Day9
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
October 12 2014 17:57 GMT
#23
On October 08 2014 13:41 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 05:54 Sero wrote:
I'm assuming that Pucca is joking, but it's hard to tell with him sometimes. FS is still by far the most popular map.


Yeah, his sense of humor is like D- level.

Incidentally, Liquid`Nazgul said once that Neo Legacy of Char is the worst map ever made. I disagree; I think Luna is trash. I understand the appeal of FS though, because it allows bad players to abuse the map and win games that they shouldn't, which is why when they get destroyed on any other map, they go "go re fs?" which is some pussy shit, because if I lost on one map, and I said "Go re on Neo Electric Circuit?" they would instantly refuse.

You're both wrong, DMZ is literally the worst map ever.
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Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
October 13 2014 01:11 GMT
#24
On October 13 2014 02:57 Elyvilon wrote:
You're both wrong, DMZ is literally the worst map ever.

Are there any VoDs of games on that map? I want to see some SCV rushes.
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
October 13 2014 03:06 GMT
#25
On October 13 2014 10:11 Sero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2014 02:57 Elyvilon wrote:
You're both wrong, DMZ is literally the worst map ever.

Are there any VoDs of games on that map? I want to see some SCV rushes.



dunno what happens in the game, youtubed "dmz proleague" and found it there
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
October 13 2014 05:02 GMT
#26
On October 11 2014 08:34 GrimwulfSC2 wrote:
Expand when you can defence it.


No, you take expand first, then defence it.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6181 Posts
October 19 2014 11:40 GMT
#27
On October 13 2014 14:02 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 08:34 GrimwulfSC2 wrote:
Expand when you can defence it.


No, you take expand first, then defence it.

No, you time the expand so, that when it's 100% ready you can defend it.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
October 19 2014 13:34 GMT
#28
No, you actually defence it and then take expand

forge -> cannon -> nexus
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
October 19 2014 22:21 GMT
#29
On October 19 2014 22:34 SnowFantasy wrote:
No, you actually defence it and then take expand

forge -> cannon -> nexus


I'm more impartial to the expand then expand then defense it part

3 hatch zvp
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2303 Posts
October 25 2014 18:42 GMT
#30
as soon as you can...
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ProdiGY_DE
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany19 Posts
October 25 2014 21:01 GMT
#31
I expand at 4mins i hope thats not wrong or bad. :D
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 26 2014 07:12 GMT
#32
On October 26 2014 06:01 Hatterluke wrote:
I expand at 4mins i hope thats not wrong or bad. :D

There's no wrong or right answer imo so long as you aren't expanding with like 5 workers or something lol since you also need to be able to defend the expansion otherwise you'll lose it and the game soon after.
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1661 Posts
October 26 2014 08:46 GMT
#33
In z v p if you take a close third it can be difficult to take a fourth because of the overwhelming protoss ground army. But you still can do it with early lurker.

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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
October 26 2014 10:08 GMT
#34
In general: Scout. Scouting gives you information you'll need to make this decision.

Expand when you control the pace of the game (when you are the one doing the attacking). If you think you have the advantage and can spare some resources, expand.

Expand when you see your enemy expand. As much as possible, check to see if the guy has enough units to pressure you.

Either way, just prepare to defend your expo.
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hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
October 30 2014 05:04 GMT
#35
As soon as you can while not dying.

Or, sooner than you can, while making your opponent either
1) expand himself (via things such as gas steal)
2) micro so hard in his base he can't counterattack (requires Bisu probes and early aggression)
3) delay attacking by chasing your unit(s)
or
3) believe you are making a lot of units
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seom
Profile Joined January 2013
South Africa491 Posts
October 31 2014 11:37 GMT
#36
there's no right or wrong answer, you just need to expand when it feels right.

often a good idea is to take your third as you move out with your first big attack, but if you are planning a semi all-inish timing attack you might not want to take that expo so you have more minerals to spend on units to rally to his nat, for example.

sometimes a double expand is also good idea, but it is race, map and build order dependant and obviously depends on what is happening in the game. you could write a whole book on timing expansions, there's no rule of thumb.
iamcasey
Profile Joined January 2014
Norway202 Posts
November 01 2014 20:30 GMT
#37
On October 11 2014 08:34 GrimwulfSC2 wrote:
Expand when you can defence it.


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Jaded.
Profile Joined June 2013
United States125 Posts
November 02 2014 20:34 GMT
#38
Just make sure you are good at taking down fences, otherwise you won't be able to defence anything.
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. What I'm saying is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know that we don't know
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
November 03 2014 07:50 GMT
#39
On October 19 2014 22:34 SnowFantasy wrote:
No, you actually defence it and then take expand

forge -> cannon -> nexus


No you defence your main with cannons then take the expansion after. Then use that to defence your main base better.
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art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1202 Posts
November 03 2014 17:01 GMT
#40
You guys ask the wrong questions......
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