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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
October 18 2006 21:57 GMT
#1
How do you type 1a2a3a4a5a? Like i used to just go 1a2a3a with one finger index/middle cause im slow. Hmm you_killer told me 2a3a4a is really easy cause pinky on a and finger for a diff key. But how do you type 1a? Its an awkward position for my pinky. 5a6a7a is easier cause a on pinky and 567 i use index. I never learned typing. Could someone tell me how to type 1a2a3a4a5a? And typing 2a3a4a and not use the one is weird.
ils
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Midnight[yR]
Profile Joined August 2006
Korea (South)164 Posts
October 18 2006 22:04 GMT
#2
I guess you can use ring finger + pinky. Use your ring finger to press the numbers and the pinky to press A. This is for only 1234, of course. But if you're beastly you can get 5 in, too. For 6-0 I just use my right pointer, since it's a lot simpler, I guess. If you watch the pros do it, they do it pretty damn fast. O_O
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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
October 18 2006 22:09 GMT
#3
1a ringfinger+pinky
2a long finger+pinky
3a-0a point finger+pinky
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FireBatLover
Profile Joined July 2006
United States203 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-18 22:28:44
October 18 2006 22:13 GMT
#4
Wasn't this recently been talked about? well anyways

1a ring finger+pinky
2a ring finger+pinky
3a ring finger+pinky
3a middle finger+pinky
4a index+pinky
5a index+pinky
etc

Edit: Okay nvm about what i said before just learn this one and you'll execute it pretty fast.
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
October 18 2006 22:15 GMT
#5
Leg went over how he does it in a thread like this in the past, I forget what it was.

Basically you want the quickest execution, and it needs to become habitual. But however you do it you should probably use your ring finger more than you are. It's cute to say "index/pinky for all combos" but in a game your hand isn't sittting naturally in a comfortable position to do that.

If you're just trying to do 1a2a3a4a5a6a really fast outside of the game, then I guess that's fine but it has no application.

I use middle finger for 1 then index for a, then switch over to middle for 2 and ring for a, and I continue using middle for number and ring for a until I need to stretch out to index for numbers, and then pinky for a.

It feels natural to me and flows progressively, so when I'm jumping between that and other hand positions during the game, it's smooth and I don't have to think about it.

Do what feels comfortable, but index and pinky isn't the best way for anyone I'd imagine. Just thinking about using your pinky to hit a when you're index is on 2 or 3 makes me laugh.
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Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
October 18 2006 22:22 GMT
#6
1a2a = middle + ring
3a4a5a6a7a = index + ring
8a9a0a = thumb + pinky (i never do this in game)

i mostly use ring on 'a' cuz '1a' is really awkward for me with pinky on a.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
October 18 2006 22:33 GMT
#7
Do what feels comfortable, but index and pinky isn't the best way for anyone I'd imagine. Just thinking about using your pinky to hit a when you're index is on 2 or 3 makes me laugh.


Actually thats comfortable. Its just the 1a thats weird and awkward pinky is wear. And the switching from 1a using index+middle than using pinky is even more weird.

Does anyone know the thread that leg made?
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ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
October 18 2006 22:47 GMT
#8
fuck keyboard/ just select and hit a
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Knickknack
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-18 22:51:13
October 18 2006 22:48 GMT
#9
I'm considering acutal play here not some contorted setup that may actually be slightly faster.

I think leg wrote that he uses uses index and ring most of the time. I suppose thats how ild reccomend it usually too. The reach and feel of ring rather then middle is much better and is very convienient till 7 or so. This keeps your hand centered and your palm right over ctrl.

1) Ring hits: 1 & a
2) middle hits 2, ring hits a
3) index hits 3, ring hits a
4) for 4-6 depending on your hands/keyboard you can use index/ring or switch over or switch over to pinkey.
5) then index for keys and pinkey for a.
6)For 9-0 ild use thumb+pinkey, but some may be able to reach with index. Or may just want to move hand back and forth a bit.

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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
October 18 2006 22:56 GMT
#10
and if you're really really cool:

1-6 = ring/middle/index finger
a = thumb
Alborz
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada1551 Posts
October 18 2006 23:14 GMT
#11
On October 19 2006 07:22 Polemarch wrote:
1a2a = middle + ring
3a4a5a6a7a = index + ring
8a9a0a = thumb + pinky (i never do this in game)
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
October 18 2006 23:18 GMT
#12
On October 19 2006 07:22 Polemarch wrote:
1a2a = middle + ring
3a4a5a6a7a = index + ring
8a9a0a = thumb + pinky (i never do this in game)

This is the most common I think.
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WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
October 18 2006 23:52 GMT
#13
On October 19 2006 08:18 Guybrush wrote:
On October 19 2006 07:22 Polemarch wrote:
1a2a = middle + ring
3a4a5a6a7a = index + ring
8a9a0a = thumb + pinky (i never do this in game)

This is the most common I think.

Same thing. I can do "1a2a3a4a5a6a7a" within a 5 second countdown. The pinky is too weak to do something so fast.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
October 19 2006 01:15 GMT
#14
1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a

I use pinkie for all a's

ring for 1

middle for 2

index for 3-0

.shrug. I am a pianist, pinkie is fine for me.
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WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
October 19 2006 01:22 GMT
#15
On October 19 2006 10:15 penitent exile wrote:

.shrug. I am a pianist, pinkie is fine for me.

I'm a pianist too. But that doesn't deny the fact that the pinky is the weakest. It does not have an independent muscle.
Dexxus
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States329 Posts
October 19 2006 01:24 GMT
#16
On October 19 2006 07:56 azndsh wrote:
and if you're really really cool:

1-6 = ring/middle/index finger
a = thumb


lol i totally do that XD
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
October 19 2006 01:34 GMT
#17
On October 19 2006 10:22 WhatisProtoss wrote:
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I'm a pianist too. But that doesn't deny the fact that the pinky is the weakest. It does not have an independent muscle.


eh, to use ring, must turn hand a little sideways, which feels strange. Used to hands just facing forwards.

the difference between pinkie and the rest is there, sure, but it can be helped. so the difference is not so large if you train it.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 19 2006 01:37 GMT
#18
Despite gaming convention () I use "backwards" hotkeys, with units starting from 0 and production buildings from 1. I swear, going 0a9a8a7a6a5a might be a lot easier than you think--you use thumb or index finger on the number and then pinky on the a. You don't really have to switch your hand position much at all. And you're getting the option of using patrol instead if you feel like it (index on P, middle/ring/pinky on the numbers, which also feels natural). So come switch to the dark side!...of hotkeys.
born-to-porn
Profile Joined January 2004
Denmark400 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-19 01:40:46
October 19 2006 01:38 GMT
#19
I personally use my index finger for hitting both a and numbers, regardless of position on the keyboard. This, obviously, is a pretty slow way to do it so to make up for it I usually go through all of the control groups using move and then do a second, much slower round, where I assign the groups with attack commands. This technique is obviously not good if your opponent's units are already in your face, but for large scale attacks where you have plenty of time to prepare a big flank it is very applicable.
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Dexxus
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States329 Posts
October 19 2006 01:48 GMT
#20
On October 19 2006 10:37 Myrmidon wrote:
Despite gaming convention () I use "backwards" hotkeys, with units starting from 0 and production buildings from 1.


lol i do that too XD... only with zerg tho
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AmorVincitOmnia
Profile Joined March 2005
Kenya3846 Posts
October 19 2006 02:40 GMT
#21
some of these are pretty awkward sounding.

1-3a index+thumb
4-5a index+ring
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
October 19 2006 03:01 GMT
#22
Those positions for 1a2a3a sound really painful >< I use only my index finger to type all the characters of 1a2a3a4a then switch to index+pinky for 5a6a7a.
ZaplinG
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3818 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-19 04:20:21
October 19 2006 04:19 GMT
#23
I keep my left hand like this: pinky=shift, ring=a, middle=s, index=d, thumb=space

sooo

it is just natural for me to hit 1-3 with middle or ring, then zoom back to hit a with ring/middle
4-0 with index

but when I am microing, I rarely just go straight 1a2a3a, I usually right click to move them around first, THEN hit attack, so its no big deal that i have zoom back

if I'm going for a larger scale attack where I just throw units at the enemy, then i switch hand positions to middle on 1-3 and pointer on 'a', 4-0 stays the same

pinky for me is purely for shift and ctrl
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YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
October 19 2006 04:28 GMT
#24
On October 19 2006 06:57 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
And typing 2a3a4a and not use the one is weird.

not weird to me =P
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davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
October 19 2006 04:32 GMT
#25
I usually do:
1a2a - pinky + ring
3a - pinky + middle
4a5a6a7a8a9a - pinky + index

Although I guess this technique seems to work rather well too (as quoted already):
1a - pinky + ring
2a - pinky + middle
3a4a5a6a7a8a9a - pinky + index

But yes, it really is a matter of your own comfort level; do whatever is easiest and fastest for you.

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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
October 19 2006 04:38 GMT
#26
pinky on "a", ring finger for 1, 2, then middle finger for 3,4,5,6, forefinger for 7,8,9 but obvioulsy it's usually only up till 6 that i'd use.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
October 19 2006 04:45 GMT
#27
I dont get why you care about using 5 and above. It's not like you have above 5 groups of units, unless you play ZvP perhaps. You need to be fast at 1a2a3a4a5a6a thats it 7a8a9a0a almost totally uneccessary

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123 lings/hydra 45 lurks/ultra 6 scourges ZvT 1234 lings/hydra 56 ultra/lurks ZvP 1234567890 MUTA ZvZ VERY rarely you get that late though.
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But by all means continue using 7a8a9a0a if you like it, though 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8p9p0p is faster.
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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
October 19 2006 04:49 GMT
#28
i do thumb on a
ring 1 middle 2 pointer 3 middle 4 middle 5
it feels the most comfortable because it reminds me of guitar

anything higher is pointer + pinky on a or s for scan
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Knickknack
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-19 05:20:21
October 19 2006 05:16 GMT
#29
Thumbs neat if you can get used to it. 2 things to note about it though. I find its slighly harder to be as percise with thumb, getting the timings right. Also for past 6 its not good, so swtich to pinkey, which fingers on a style is easier to transfer into this.

1.05 is best doing it 20times or so with the method i described earlier. ring for 1-4, pinkey for 5-8. Palm on desk starting, starting to move after 4. Could pretty easily get sub significantly bellow 1sec with practice.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 19 2006 05:59 GMT
#30
i do this really wierd apparently

1a - middle, index
2a - middle, ring
3a - middle, ring
4a-5a - index, ring
6a-0a - index, pinky
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YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
October 19 2006 07:16 GMT
#31
i do pinky on 'a', ring on '2', middle on '3', and index on '4'. this lets me do 2a3a4a2a3a4a very quickly. 1a is uncomfortable so i dont really use it unless its late game and i need a lot of hotkeys for units. early/midgame i just use 1 for lurks so i do 1+right click, 2a3a4a.
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SChasu
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1505 Posts
October 19 2006 07:36 GMT
#32
lefty setup ftw... thumb on a and click all the numbers
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sCV
Profile Joined July 2004
Jamaica246 Posts
October 19 2006 07:50 GMT
#33
On October 19 2006 07:22 Polemarch wrote:
1a2a = middle + ring
3a4a5a6a7a = index + ring
8a9a0a = thumb + pinky (i never do this in game)

i mostly use ring on 'a' cuz '1a' is really awkward for me with pinky on a.


same... my pinky finger is always on left ctrl/shift
RaYhN
Profile Joined June 2004
United States437 Posts
October 19 2006 08:24 GMT
#34
1a2a - middle + ring
3a - index + ring
4a5a6a7a8a9a0a - index - pinky
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Profile Joined January 2006
Australia848 Posts
October 19 2006 09:02 GMT
#35
Screw 1a, 1 is double tapped gateways for macro.

2a3a4a5a6a7a8a

2a3a4a - ring on a, index #
5a6a7a8a9a - pinky on a, index #

I didn't even realise how I did it until I just typed it then.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 19 2006 09:31 GMT
#36
I probably use patrol more than I use attack :O
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-19 15:00:03
October 19 2006 14:57 GMT
#37
for 1 - I do middle finger + thumb then "A"
from 2-9 I use my pointer finger and thumb for "A"
for "0" i may just use whatever fingers i feel like thats as far as my hand stretches.

My hands are big. I don't use homerow. These are my most powerful fingers. I could still play SC at 90% if i lost my pinky and ring finger all together.

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DarK]N[exuS
Profile Joined April 2006
China1441 Posts
October 19 2006 15:08 GMT
#38
1a2a3a4a5a

1a : middle finger for both
2a : index & middle
3a : index & middle
4a : index & middle
5a : index & pinky
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AiurZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United States429 Posts
October 19 2006 15:35 GMT
#39
my best time on hasuwars program: 0.68
1a2a with middle/ring
3a4a with index/ring
5a6a7a8a with index/pinky
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DarK]N[exuS
Profile Joined April 2006
China1441 Posts
October 19 2006 16:35 GMT
#40
That would be an APM of 1411 keystrokes Aiurz, I find it hard to believe.
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AiurZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United States429 Posts
October 19 2006 16:55 GMT
#41
On October 20 2006 01:35 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
That would be an APM of 1411 keystrokes Aiurz, I find it hard to believe.

well i guess im not as fast as i used to be because ive been averaging like 0.74 and my best is 0.70 in the past 10 or so tries
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Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 19 2006 16:57 GMT
#42
On October 19 2006 10:24 Dexxus wrote:
On October 19 2006 07:56 azndsh wrote:
and if you're really really cool:

1-6 = ring/middle/index finger
a = thumb

lol i totally do that XD
Rofl me too

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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
October 19 2006 17:24 GMT
#43
On October 20 2006 01:35 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
That would be an APM of 1411 keystrokes Aiurz, I find it hard to believe.


It would be slower than that because the timing of the left click must be precise and it delays the 1a2a3a4a5a action a bit.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
October 19 2006 20:46 GMT
#44
On October 19 2006 16:16 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
i do pinky on 'a', ring on '2', middle on '3', and index on '4'. this lets me do 2a3a4a2a3a4a very quickly. 1a is uncomfortable so i dont really use it unless its late game and i need a lot of hotkeys for units. early/midgame i just use 1 for lurks so i do 1+right click, 2a3a4a.

Yeah i find 2a3a4a very comfortable cause like you one for each finger. But what do i do with the 1 haha.
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YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
October 20 2006 00:43 GMT
#45
just dont use it =P. or force yourself to learn 1a with ring on 1. it doesn't seem to be any slower than what some other people are doing. you can tilt your hand over slightly so that you can reach 1 with your ring finger.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25997 Posts
October 20 2006 01:25 GMT
#46
Unless you're all practising for lan, I don't get the point. Do 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a in 1 second and see how many of your units actually go. I've never understood people spamming me with this when they do it faster than SC can respond.
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Alborz
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada1551 Posts
October 20 2006 05:52 GMT
#47
On October 19 2006 13:32 davidgurt wrote:
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just curious, where can I download this?
AiurZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United States429 Posts
October 20 2006 06:01 GMT
#48
alborz: http://download.yousendit.com/41C07393189D1FB3
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pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
October 20 2006 06:32 GMT
#49
Just because he can do 1a2a3a4a5a fast doesn't mean that it translates directly into that exact apm. He might spike there when he plays, but he isn't going to be able to maintain that.
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XDawn
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Canada4040 Posts
October 20 2006 07:02 GMT
#50
On October 20 2006 15:32 pooper-scooper wrote:
Just because he can do 1a2a3a4a5a fast doesn't mean that it translates directly into that exact apm. He might spike there when he plays, but he isn't going to be able to maintain that.


why not?
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-20 10:29:59
October 20 2006 10:29 GMT
#51
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YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
October 20 2006 12:27 GMT
#52
On October 20 2006 10:25 Chill wrote:
Unless you're all practising for lan, I don't get the point. Do 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a in 1 second and see how many of your units actually go. I've never understood people spamming me with this when they do it faster than SC can respond.

very good point.
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Alborz
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada1551 Posts
October 20 2006 13:19 GMT
#53
On October 20 2006 15:01 AiurZ wrote:
alborz: http://download.yousendit.com/41C07393189D1FB3

thank you
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