[G] ZvP BroodWar Guide - Page 2

On June 28 2013 15:23 BisuDagger wrote:
I hope zerg never loses to Protoss now cause of your guide.

On June 28 2013 15:49 Sayle wrote:


In order to counteract this, I've decided to write a guide on playing PvZ:

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On June 29 2013 22:44 ghrur wrote:
Just skimming through the guide, but Idk why you have +1 carapace always started in your 6hat build when there's no indication of a transition to mutas or heavy air. +1 cara is normally researched when the toss is going for +1 sairs and you're going hydras or lurkers, lurkers especially. However, you advocate Pneumatized carapace when that doesn't help your scourge vs the corsairs, and you won't be moving out for heavy attacks with early lurkers anyway. Here's something I think works better for 6hat hydra:

Use overlords/lings to check for fast +1 from Protoss. If you see the forge spinning, forget +1 cara cuz you should worry about surviving with sunken/ling/muta first.
If you don't see the fast +1, then a sair will likely come, and you will get scourge. Check using scourge for more sair production and +1 air weapons from toss.
If you see +1 air weapons or more sair production, get +1 air cara for your overlords and 1 spore at each nat. Then, get Hydra speed and +1 range. When hydra speed is 2/3 done, get Overlord speed, and when it is done, get Hydra Range. This way, your overlord speed finishes right as your hydra range finishes and you're primed to move out. Alternatively, you can get overlord speed when hydra speed is 1/3 done if you want to time it with your +1 range. Before then, you're really not moving out onto the map so there's no need for overlord speed.
If you don't see +1 air weapons, then forget +1 air cara and the spore, and just go with the speed/range earlier.

For 6hat lurker, you REALLY need the +1 air cara earlier than ovie speed because scourge are essentially your ONLY way of contesting air dominance. In fact, if you see +1 corsairs coming from Toss, it's actually advisable to get 2 spore colonies rather than one because you will have no hydras to defend your overlords.

On June 29 2013 22:44 ghrur wrote:
Just skimming through the guide, but Idk why you have +1 carapace always started in your 6hat build when there's no indication of a transition to mutas or heavy air. +1 cara is normally researched when the toss is going for +1 sairs and you're going hydras or lurkers, lurkers especially. However, you advocate Pneumatized carapace when that doesn't help your scourge vs the corsairs, and you won't be moving out for heavy attacks with early lurkers anyway. Here's something I think works better for 6hat hydra:

Use overlords/lings to check for fast +1 from Protoss. If you see the forge spinning, forget +1 cara cuz you should worry about surviving with sunken/ling/muta first.
If you don't see the fast +1, then a sair will likely come, and you will get scourge. Check using scourge for more sair production and +1 air weapons from toss.
If you see +1 air weapons or more sair production, get +1 air cara for your overlords and 1 spore at each nat. Then, get Hydra speed and +1 range. When hydra speed is 2/3 done, get Overlord speed, and when it is done, get Hydra Range. This way, your overlord speed finishes right as your hydra range finishes and you're primed to move out. Alternatively, you can get overlord speed when hydra speed is 1/3 done if you want to time it with your +1 range. Before then, you're really not moving out onto the map so there's no need for overlord speed.
If you don't see +1 air weapons, then forget +1 air cara and the spore, and just go with the speed/range earlier.

For 6hat lurker, you REALLY need the +1 air cara earlier than ovie speed because scourge are essentially your ONLY way of contesting air dominance. In fact, if you see +1 corsairs coming from Toss, it's actually advisable to get 2 spore colonies rather than one because you will have no hydras to defend your overlords.

On June 30 2013 15:03 TehRei wrote:
Ninazerg, you're an amazing person and/or writer; it's always a delight to read any of your longer works.
I don't even play Zerg, but I feel like I learned a lot about the game in general by reading this. I expect I'll be able to appreciate ZvP more as a spectator as well, which is also a cool thing.

... it's kind of a bummer that you play zerg though ;p
(Sorry: too many compliments earlier, had to say something semi-demeaning)