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ThatGuyDoMo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia516 Posts
July 04 2013 03:16 GMT
#41
WOW this is such a great guide! thankyou! will really help BW noobies like me :D
Gatzu89
Profile Joined July 2013
3 Posts
July 04 2013 04:54 GMT
#42
>.>
idegelchik
Profile Joined September 2012
Russian Federation382 Posts
July 04 2013 05:07 GMT
#43
omg Nina! amazing job
plast1c
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany99 Posts
July 07 2013 18:10 GMT
#44
now do a similar guide with protoss plz
kinda right, kinda wrong
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
July 07 2013 20:35 GMT
#45
On July 08 2013 03:10 duplex__ wrote:
now do a similar guide with protoss plz


It took me around 20 hours to compile/write this guide over the course of three weeks, and I still don't consider it "finished". Don't get me wrong, I enjoy writing, and I love StarCraft, so this was very fun to write, albeit tedious, so while I would like to write another guide like this for another match-up, I need to use my spare time for other things at the moment.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
KuKri
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany168 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 06:29:56
July 11 2013 06:29 GMT
#46
Thanks, great writeup! I wish there were even more of these newb guides. Just reading this is making me want to try BW again.
Roman_K
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation36 Posts
July 22 2013 20:04 GMT
#47
sweet!
pick up your weapon and fight
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
July 22 2013 22:04 GMT
#48
On July 08 2013 05:35 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 03:10 duplex__ wrote:
now do a similar guide with protoss plz


It took me around 20 hours to compile/write this guide over the course of three weeks, and I still don't consider it "finished". Don't get me wrong, I enjoy writing, and I love StarCraft, so this was very fun to write, albeit tedious, so while I would like to write another guide like this for another match-up, I need to use my spare time for other things at the moment.

do a ZvZ guide it would be rather simple. Wait hive zvz is probably the most complex thing in the game nvm.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
July 23 2013 06:44 GMT
#49
On July 23 2013 07:04 reps)squishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 05:35 ninazerg wrote:
On July 08 2013 03:10 duplex__ wrote:
now do a similar guide with protoss plz


It took me around 20 hours to compile/write this guide over the course of three weeks, and I still don't consider it "finished". Don't get me wrong, I enjoy writing, and I love StarCraft, so this was very fun to write, albeit tedious, so while I would like to write another guide like this for another match-up, I need to use my spare time for other things at the moment.

do a ZvZ guide it would be rather simple. Wait hive zvz is probably the most complex thing in the game nvm.


Actually, to be quite honest, ZvP is one of the more "figured out" match-ups, and margin for error is very low for the Protoss, who can quickly slide into a lost game, whereas Zerg can recover from a big hit. I'm speaking very generally, of course, because the only real factor at hand are the people behind the computers. ZvZ is actually incredibly complicated and would require a guide just as long as this one, if not longer.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
July 24 2013 02:11 GMT
#50
ZvT guide, do it
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
July 25 2013 02:21 GMT
#51
On July 24 2013 11:11 dRaW wrote:
ZvT guide, do it

"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
July 31 2013 06:45 GMT
#52
I don't play toss (only rage at when I'm losing for being EZ, fuck DT's, omfg how hard is it to a-move dragoons, etc) but respect for dis guide.
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
August 01 2013 18:57 GMT
#53
On July 23 2013 07:04 reps)squishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 05:35 ninazerg wrote:
On July 08 2013 03:10 duplex__ wrote:
now do a similar guide with protoss plz


It took me around 20 hours to compile/write this guide over the course of three weeks, and I still don't consider it "finished". Don't get me wrong, I enjoy writing, and I love StarCraft, so this was very fun to write, albeit tedious, so while I would like to write another guide like this for another match-up, I need to use my spare time for other things at the moment.

do a ZvZ guide it would be rather simple. Wait hive zvz is probably the most complex thing in the game nvm.


Here's a Hive Tech ZvZ guide:

Fuck it, do anything you want since it will probably work at that point
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11575 Posts
August 04 2013 04:36 GMT
#54
as a protoss player who hates PvZ as it is, I dislike this thread! The last thing we need is better zergs
Calendar@ Fish Server: `iOps]..Stark
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
August 04 2013 06:14 GMT
#55
Question: on the 6 hatch lurker bit it tells me to add a sunken/spore to my main, but where am I suppose to be positioning these buildings in my main, and how relative to one another?
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
August 04 2013 06:18 GMT
#56
On August 04 2013 15:14 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Question: on the 6 hatch lurker bit it tells me to add a sunken/spore to my main, but where am I suppose to be positioning these buildings in my main, and how relative to one another?

You place them at your naturals, not main. Given that you have lurkers, the spore colony is to shoot observers (and sairs plus detect DT, but those are a lesser problem). So place the spore colony forward a little where it's able to be extremely annoying for Protoss observers, and try place your lurkers such that they protect the spore and it protects them.

Sunken behind your wall.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 07:07:18
August 04 2013 07:06 GMT
#57
On August 04 2013 15:18 Birdie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 15:14 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Question: on the 6 hatch lurker bit it tells me to add a sunken/spore to my main, but where am I suppose to be positioning these buildings in my main, and how relative to one another?

You place them at your naturals, not main. Given that you have lurkers, the spore colony is to shoot observers (and sairs plus detect DT, but those are a lesser problem). So place the spore colony forward a little where it's able to be extremely annoying for Protoss observers, and try place your lurkers such that they protect the spore and it protects them.

Sunken behind your wall.
See, thats both obvious and what I thought I'd read when I opened the 6 hatch spoilers, but instead it said this "Hive starts - 1 sunken and 1 spore colony in your main base", my main base is not my mains natural, but my main itself. Ergo error.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 04 2013 07:18 GMT
#58
On August 04 2013 16:06 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 15:18 Birdie wrote:
On August 04 2013 15:14 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Question: on the 6 hatch lurker bit it tells me to add a sunken/spore to my main, but where am I suppose to be positioning these buildings in my main, and how relative to one another?

You place them at your naturals, not main. Given that you have lurkers, the spore colony is to shoot observers (and sairs plus detect DT, but those are a lesser problem). So place the spore colony forward a little where it's able to be extremely annoying for Protoss observers, and try place your lurkers such that they protect the spore and it protects them.

Sunken behind your wall.
See, thats both obvious and what I thought I'd read when I opened the 6 hatch spoilers, but instead it said this "Hive starts - 1 sunken and 1 spore colony in your main base", my main base is not my mains natural, but my main itself. Ergo error.


It's not a mistake... any time the Protoss goes heavy corsairs early, there is a threat of drops, and the sunken colony and spore colony should placed close to the mineral line. I usually put one above the hive, and one directly below it. It gives you some static detection against dark templar and something to shoot them with. Of course, if it's a 4 DT drop, the spore colony is going to die pretty fast, but usually most people don't drop 4, but rather 1-2 dark templar + 2 zealots or 2 high templar, especially if you go lurker + spore at your front. Obviously, you still will want a spore colony at each natural.

If you ask "Hey, why even bother making a spore and sunken in my main?" the answer is that you will have a quite large economy at that time, so it will not be a major investment, and could save your drones from death. But again, you can alter any build order to suit your personal style, so if you feel like you can handle drops well without ever needing any static defence, then by all means, omit it from your build.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 10:53:57
August 05 2013 10:53 GMT
#59
On July 24 2013 11:11 dRaW wrote:
ZvT guide, do it

This please, my ZvT is awful until I get defilers out T_T (after which it's still awful but slightly less so)
Great guide though, much appreciated <3
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-06 07:53:23
August 06 2013 07:53 GMT
#60
As for placement of the sunken, perhaps worth considering this placement (useful in other situations too of course) with spore underneath hatchery I would guess:
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
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