EPTi know its a pretty risky build but i want to try this out
14 nexus build, PvT
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b_unnies
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i know its a pretty risky build but i want to try this out | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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sataNik[pG]
Greece724 Posts
there are many variations, the safest is: 13 nex 14 gate 15 gas, gate, core, zeal (meant to deal with rine/vult/scv rush). the most rewarding is: 14 nex 15 pylon gate 16 gas 17 gate 18 core with this build if u block the terran's first attempt, then u just overpower him. the key to surviving is halting probe production often to make army. | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
Now they both lost those games  but that's beside the point. The key is cutting probes once the expo nex finishes so that you can get the gas, core and 2 gates up super fast.You need to have a handful of units to deal with his push to your main. You can't let him mine up since you'll have no obs so you need those units out and ready to repel him as he advances. It's a great build and can be really strong even if the T pressures. You just need to play differently than what you're used to...and pray for far positions to make it easier on you. | ||
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
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b_unnies
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
I guess you can do it on maps where scouting would take longer so terran has less time to try to react. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
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b_unnies
3579 Posts
On May 01 2006 00:25 intrigue wrote: wow, a toss fe build becoming popular... i'm going to look for some vods or reps of this, sounds neat welcome to the era of macro =P | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
On May 01 2006 00:11 skyglow1 wrote: If this build is pulled off perfectly, theres pretty much only a limited number of things that terran can do. For example I went joyo in this game once seeing as how the toss had started a very fast expo on rush hour. By the time I got there with 3 tanks, rines and scvs he had something like 5 goons and 2 more coming. I guess you can do it on maps where scouting would take longer so terran has less time to try to react. Joyo is too slow, just overrun him with nonstop vultures with mines, marines and 7-8 scvs, a tank isn't even necessary since he doesn't have range yet - this means marines are still effective vs dragoons, and once you get the bunker up at his expansion, there is little he can do. What I would suggest as a counter is pump many marines, one factory, and then a 2nd at 60% 1st factory, machine shop, then pump vultures + mines, send 6-7 scvs using mine command at his expo mins, when you reach him you should have 3 vultures marines and scvs, more than enough to overpower him. Then you can simply cut off reinforcements with mines on ramp. | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
However, you can easily mix it up by going 2gate power dragoon - fast expo or DT. Plus the option to harass the T by cutting the 14-16th probes for a zeal...it's very effective. On a final note, I don't mean to completely belittle this build, becuase the maps weren't specified. On many larger maps, this build is perfectly viable and is definitely a good thing to throw in if you have to play a BO5 or something. However, again, I would not recommend on Luna or LT. | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
I mean, Rush Hour is not a very big map but it's suited for it aswell obviously | ||
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Sheriff
Belgium26 Posts
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
but recently Midas pissed on Stork with the NaDa build. I doubt many people could do it like Midas did... he had sick micro. | ||
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NonYold
United States2814 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
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TserHossHiBreed
Algeria87 Posts
On May 01 2006 02:36 Patriot.dlk wrote: If it's so bad, then why does the very best of the best protosses in the world use it? talk about an irrelevant argument. This build is too risky, unless you can make it at least C with a decent winning score on PGT don't attempt it. I'm pretty sure it looses vs 2 fact and if you're doing it on LT/sattarchasm/etc. you're doing a big gamble because of 1 fact star. Even 1 factory could probably overun this with correct SCV micro. I haven't got alot of experience regarding a PvT FE but I think this is a joke, like The Stove was. To those who say it's an awesome and viable build, everything is awesome and viable when you're playing bad opponents. | ||
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