Before I even ask my question can someone plz watch this replay and tell me if this guy gas hacked or mineral hacked if there is even such thing? I'm not accusing him of hacking or anything it's just the never ending supply of hydras made it "seem" like he did. Anyways can someone tell me what I did wrong to even lose this game? I thought I did a very good job stopping his guardians and then somehow he kept on sending non-stop hydras at me and he didn't even get extra expo's except his natural expo till the near end of the game. ANY help is much appreciated. Thx.

http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=30620

decafchicken

United States20155 Posts

February 12 2006 02:54 GMT

If you lose to plain mass hydras youa re probably just being outplayed. 2 fact + mnm upgrades and a few irradiates should rape hydras.

LegendaryDreams

Canada1350 Posts

February 12 2006 02:54 GMT

You just got outmacroed by the zerg. The guy didn\'t hack. He just 3 hatched and whored drones and macroed off 4 hatch so obviously he would have excess money.

Stuff to note:

- Go stardard 11/12 rax, if you\'re not rushing it kills your macro a bit when you go 10/11
- Make your ebay right after you research acadamy stuff, upgrades help and it proved so
- Both of you let your money run up, if you have excess either expand or make more barracks, making more marines out of one won\'t help
- You had lots of space to expand when he went fast guards, and you didn\'t take the advantage to do so (you had a late cc)
- Macro out of 2 rax until very later on wasn\'t so hot
- No lurkers were made so you should have whored more tanks (make the tanks out of facts)
- The guy wasn\'t that good and you should have won, macro macro macro::just make sure the lights in your barrack are always on, if not, off for at most 5~10 seconds. You want to keep unit production up

SchOOl_VicTIm

Greece2394 Posts

February 12 2006 02:57 GMT

2 fact tanks and double grades on marines should do the job (haven't watched rep)

Jim

Sweden1965 Posts

February 12 2006 03:02 GMT

I thought SK-terran was the answer to pure hydra.

Cloud

Sexico5880 Posts

February 12 2006 03:14 GMT

What, no.. you need tanks, if he goes pure hydra and you go pure mnm with equal upgrades, there will be a point in which the hydralisks will outmuscle your mnm and in that point, you need tanks.

Night[Mare

Mexico4793 Posts

February 12 2006 03:24 GMT

what is the sk-terran style i hear so much?

NovaTheFeared

United States7231 Posts

February 12 2006 03:42 GMT

It's 2 port vessels +MM no tanks.

But what you want vs. mass hydra is lots of MM + tanks. Hydras are balls vs. MM in terms of cost efficiency.

whatever

Mexico693 Posts

February 12 2006 03:42 GMT

mass m&m / vessel, few or no tanks

iNsaNe-

Finland5201 Posts

February 12 2006 03:44 GMT

#10

On February 12 2006 12:24 Night[Mare] wrote:
what is the sk-terran style i hear so much?

No Tanks in TvZ, 2-3 Port + like 9 rax or so.

Doesn't it come from some old pro SoulKey or something like that who used this? I'm not sure at all.

Night[Mare

Mexico4793 Posts

February 12 2006 03:48 GMT

#11

i dont think sk-terran is a proper style to fight plain hydras then... i think you need at least 6 tanks to fight that out

iG.ErlinGho

136 Posts

February 12 2006 04:08 GMT

#12

mass tanks 3-3 medic marines.

kP_cHoBo

United States439 Posts

February 12 2006 05:27 GMT

#13

Did u guys watch the replay? I had 2 control groups of mnm's and I did have two fact tanks it's just I didn't have mass tanks..ahhhh..I think that was the problem...but still I know I did other things wrong in the game too tho....I did have mass vessels tho.

LegendaryDreams

Canada1350 Posts

February 12 2006 05:31 GMT

#14

Macro. 6 rax constantly producing > 4 rax constantly producing while making 6 more rax

intrigue

Washington, D.C9934 Posts

February 12 2006 06:46 GMT

#15

why isn't skterran viable? assuming you have decent micro and macro, you should be able to pressure the zerg heavily until they get absolute MASS hydras; low-medium numbers of hydras vs low-medium numbers of mm = mm owning. when he has too much, use your vessels to mass irradiate. with that many hydras, even progamers have trouble spliiting/killing the green blobs

Cloud

Sexico5880 Posts

February 12 2006 07:00 GMT

#16

sk terran is one of the "worst counters" there is to hydralurker, now if you make those lurkers hydras, it will be even worse.

Unless you are very good using mnm + vessel only, you will have a lot of trouble beating hydralurkers, especially if they use swarm, and if you are going pure mnm, and they are going pure hydra, then you are going to have troubles beating it if they have many bases, attack you with good flanks and use ensnare.