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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-03 00:38:24
August 03 2021 00:37 GMT
#9341
ya, just be careful about drops and/or bio tank timings, you need to hit your spire (scourge for anti drop D) and defiler timings well

you'll learn those through practice tho
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confusedzerg
Profile Joined July 2021
Russian Federation102 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-03 02:08:20
August 03 2021 02:07 GMT
#9342
It's a normal feeling to have pretty much zero map control when doing this strat, right? Probably try to regain it only when defilers pop out? I just got outexpanded by a terran and starved on 4 base. But I still won because I got a dark swarm up in his natural LOL

I'm sure there's some lurker attacks I could do, but probably shouldn't focus on that if I want to be the most consistent.
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-04 03:04:59
August 03 2021 02:27 GMT
#9343
ya u dont need to worry about map control, this is a pure defensive/macro style, you don't really need to ever attack with your lurks tbh (but obviously you can in certain scenarios, if T throws too many units trying to bust you for example)

Your defiler is mainly to defend vs bio tank pushes, if you skip it you can easily die to a timing. Your map control timing is after you saturate your bases nicely (about 1.5 drones per patch), have like 3-4 hatches total in your main and ~3 hatches at your corner expo.

Once you have your infrastructure setup move down to take your 4th and start pumping ultra ling (the faster you get an evo for carapace the stronger your timings become). A move terran with ling/ultra/defiler after that, ideally you just wanna get plagues off on vessels and pick them off later with 2-3 mutas. If you execute the b.o cleanly you'll just end up rolling T most of the time tho.
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confusedzerg
Profile Joined July 2021
Russian Federation102 Posts
August 03 2021 22:11 GMT
#9344
Thanks TT1. Love ya brudda man.
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Profile Joined July 2021
Russian Federation102 Posts
August 03 2021 23:19 GMT
#9345
Anyone have advice for muta micro when enemy buildings are in the way? I find myself clicking the enemy building when in reality I am simply trying to orient the mutas to fire when I hold position.
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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
August 03 2021 23:29 GMT
#9346
You can use Patrol, or you can aim farther away but still in line of the target(s) you wanna hit with Hold.

You can also shoot the buildings to dmg via bounce but from safe range of getting hit.
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confusedzerg
Profile Joined July 2021
Russian Federation102 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-04 03:04:13
August 04 2021 03:03 GMT
#9347
I feel like all my mutas aren't hitting when I use patrol in that scenario. Like only 70% of them fire.
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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
August 04 2021 11:47 GMT
#9348
Only way to confirm that is to make a UMS with targets who have just as much HP as you have stacked Mutas (dmg). That way you can also find out how Patrol works.

I prefer Patrol. That way you can fly sideways and still shoot without accidently get deep into range of Marines.

Im not a Z expert though.
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confusedzerg
Profile Joined July 2021
Russian Federation102 Posts
August 05 2021 00:48 GMT
#9349
what is the proper response to lategame pvz where the Z just turtles and has a million reavers at each base and just chills?

i tried doomdropping but every now and then I play a P who keeps a dark archon and high templar in his main. maelstrom + storm on the ovies, etc...

I think hydras are garbage in these games but I am not sure what would work.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8518 Posts
August 05 2021 07:03 GMT
#9350
On August 05 2021 09:48 confusedzerg wrote:
what is the proper response to lategame pvz where the Z just turtles and has a million reavers at each base and just chills?

i tried doomdropping but every now and then I play a P who keeps a dark archon and high templar in his main. maelstrom + storm on the ovies, etc...

I think hydras are garbage in these games but I am not sure what would work.

You mean P just turtles ?

Maybe guardians with some devourers and mutas to defend against sairs/scouts. And try to split them apart to avoid storms. Tho guardians are clumsy and, although they have a longer range than cannons, they tend to enter they range
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28738 Posts
August 05 2021 07:23 GMT
#9351
Queens are key to that scenario. Parasite as much as you can, broodling all templars, plague all, then mass unit. If reaver cannon da, guardian is your best bet.
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kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2041 Posts
August 05 2021 09:03 GMT
#9352
On August 05 2021 09:48 confusedzerg wrote:
what is the proper response to lategame pvz where the Z just turtles and has a million reavers at each base and just chills?

i tried doomdropping but every now and then I play a P who keeps a dark archon and high templar in his main. maelstrom + storm on the ovies, etc...

I think hydras are garbage in these games but I am not sure what would work.


It's a lost fight for zerg unless you have economical dominance. Any map split, even +1 base for zerg favours defensive protoss who will overtime accumulate enough gas / energy to mass templar / mass da / mass archon to victory.
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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
August 05 2021 15:30 GMT
#9353
In this scenario you need to analyze how P is winning their fight in each expansion. If Reavers make short work of your force its because its ranged and works through swarm.

What can work is having lings in overlords meanwhile attacking the front of an expansion, move overlords above reavers and drop em around to keep Reavers shooting as Melee, this will give you time to get into the mix with mass lings or hydras to destroy em.

Preferrably is ofc swarm+plague on everything meanwhile doing drops+entrance attack.

Quite a micro task but thats why people play Z. The micro is insane but its fun

Ultimate late game army is simply 3-3 lings/ultras/lurkers, swarm+plague+drops, while hydras is more focused vs air or places where you dont swarm, you could swarm your own location of army ofc but that can just as well work against you if you have no melee forces.

And as koget says if its even you need to work extra hard to make it uneven again.

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y2kid
Profile Joined May 2018
92 Posts
August 17 2021 10:13 GMT
#9354
I remember back in the day there was a reaver micro map, where you had a reaver and a shuttle and had different levels where you had to clear number of enemies. It was multiplayer one but it is ok practice SP too... I almost thought I was delusional misremembering this map but recently saw Jumperer play a version of it on stream.

Does anyone else remember the map and even better has a link to it?
BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
August 17 2021 22:12 GMT
#9355
unorthodox Brood WAR progamer?
How may help u?
Davoh
Profile Joined August 2021
1 Post
Last Edited: 2021-08-18 12:41:42
August 18 2021 00:35 GMT
#9356
Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
249 Posts
August 19 2021 13:29 GMT
#9357
How do you shift-queue an scv to mine resources after it is done building a building?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28738 Posts
August 19 2021 13:41 GMT
#9358
You just press shift right click mineral after telling it to build something. But you have to give the command before it starts building.
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confusedzerg
Profile Joined July 2021
Russian Federation102 Posts
August 19 2021 20:03 GMT
#9359
what is
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iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1039 Posts
August 20 2021 06:48 GMT
#9360
On August 05 2021 16:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Queens are key to that scenario. Parasite as much as you can, broodling all templars, plague all, then mass unit. If reaver cannon da, guardian is your best bet.


I couldn't break him, he put the templars in shuttles, when I would attack he would unload, storm, reload. Maybe an endless stream of zergling would work
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