• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:51
CEST 15:51
KST 22:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four0BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET6Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO85.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)80Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3
StarCraft 2
General
The New Patch Killed Mech! Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy herO joins T1 Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 INu's Battles #13 - ByuN vs Zoun Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $1,200 WardiTV October (Oct 21st-31st)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers
Brood War
General
BSL Season 21 BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW caster Sayle BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET
Tourneys
[ASL20] Semifinal B Azhi's Colosseum - Anonymous Tournament [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN
Strategy
Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Relatively freeroll strategies Siegecraft - a new perspective
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Series you have seen recently... Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Heroism of Pepe the Fro…
Peanutsc
Rocket League: Traits, Abili…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1488 users

Simple Questions, Simple Answers - Page 386

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 384 385 386 387 388 484 Next
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 09 2018 16:55 GMT
#7701
thanks a lot evil. I've noticed that as terran, I am far more picky about what map I play. Like you said, a map where I can easily defend my third is the best. That's why I like Tau Cross. No ramp but it's so near my 2nd. When I play Toss, I don't really care what map.

yeah, flash is really good at taking his third. Sometimes he will take his entire army to take it and only leave a token force behind. He goes up, secures it and then leaves a few tanks behind and goes home.

@TaardadAiel
I really don't like taking my 3rd with just 2 fac. especially on FS when there is a good chance goons are waiting on that ramp. I'm still a bit too scared to just play 2 fac. my opponents really like to bull dog and run in with speedlots.Thanks for the tips about the SVs. You are right, Defense Matrix can turn the tide immensely and I need to practice clearing obs more. sniping obs is so so satisfying.

1. So when you guys defend against recalls, do you keep like 2 SVs behind to cover the sides of the map? that's a lot of resources for a recall that may or may not come.
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
May 09 2018 18:35 GMT
#7702
You only need vessels at places where you cannot defend with turrets and a minefield. On FS that would only be the third base location because it is very hard to lay enough mines in the mineral line. And they are useful to defend additional bases where no other defenses are ready yet.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
SuperCyan
Profile Joined October 2017
Philippines67 Posts
May 09 2018 22:50 GMT
#7703
On May 09 2018 12:46 Dead9 wrote:
3rd world is fine in pvt. slight advantage to p but it's not bad

sparkle, 3rd world are both p>>z because zerg can't contest protoss air on island and semi-island maps

transistor is p>>t because it's very difficult to push across the map. the nat positioning and long ground distance makes reavers/carriers really strong


thank you!
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 10 2018 03:38 GMT
#7704
On May 10 2018 03:35 Cryoc wrote:
You only need vessels at places where you cannot defend with turrets and a minefield. On FS that would only be the third base location because it is very hard to lay enough mines in the mineral line. And they are useful to defend additional bases where no other defenses are ready yet.


got it, thank you!
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
May 10 2018 17:04 GMT
#7705
Question from newb, I wondered why people told me PvT Reavers are only good for harassing Terran economy, but Snow was using Reavers to battle Flash's army game after game?

Are Reavers any inferior to say Psi Storm in early game PvT?
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
May 10 2018 18:52 GMT
#7706
The people who told you that reavers are only good for harrassing were probably not the best players. Reavers are also excellent at stopping any kind of timing pushes. Only in lategame do they lose their usefulness in comparison to high templars.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
May 11 2018 22:58 GMT
#7707
Is iccup or SC:R ladder the best place to find opponents of equal ability? Just now getting into learning 1v1
:-)
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28701 Posts
May 11 2018 23:01 GMT
#7708
The SC:R ladder is functional for players between like 1300 and 2000, or at least last I checked. If you are just starting out you might be worse than that and get smacked around a little at first. ;p You have to expect quite some uneven games tbh, there's a very wide skill range compared to amount of active players in brood war outside korea.
Moderator
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
May 11 2018 23:18 GMT
#7709
I totally expect to do a lot of losing. Not a problem for me. But lack of skill aside, is iccup still the go to for most of the ladder community?
:-)
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
May 12 2018 00:10 GMT
#7710
Iccup is basically dead at this point
wishbonesaka
Profile Joined June 2016
Canada117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-12 13:34:23
May 12 2018 13:33 GMT
#7711
-- Wrong forum sorry --
Quasimoto30001
Profile Joined October 2017
2 Posts
May 12 2018 14:42 GMT
#7712
I'm newish to the game. I need some tips for dealing with storm drops in ZvP. My whole worker line is destroyed before I know it. Its very frustrating!
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States973 Posts
May 12 2018 15:40 GMT
#7713
Anyone have a replay or vod of a pro doing the 973 build order in ZvP? I understand how to open, but I'm wondering when to throw down 4th hatch or when to transition to lair, etc. I'm not really interested in the "Zerg busts Protoss" variant, but more in the "Protoss has to build too many cannons" variant.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
May 12 2018 22:34 GMT
#7714
On May 12 2018 23:42 Quasimoto30001 wrote:
I'm newish to the game. I need some tips for dealing with storm drops in ZvP. My whole worker line is destroyed before I know it. Its very frustrating!
Hit shift f2 to a location, if you hit f2 again it will tab you to that location super quickly. Positional hotkeys. f2, f3 and f4 are all used for this. Save one at your natural mineral line, one in your main. If something comes into drop and you spot it, grab all your workers and use your camera keys to mineral walk them to another base, hopefully escaping the damage.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
May 13 2018 11:16 GMT
#7715
On May 13 2018 00:40 iopq wrote:
Anyone have a replay or vod of a pro doing the 973 build order in ZvP? I understand how to open, but I'm wondering when to throw down 4th hatch or when to transition to lair, etc. I'm not really interested in the "Zerg busts Protoss" variant, but more in the "Protoss has to build too many cannons" variant.

Check out Hero's games here
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3402 Posts
May 13 2018 18:20 GMT
#7716
On May 12 2018 23:42 Quasimoto30001 wrote:
I'm newish to the game. I need some tips for dealing with storm drops in ZvP. My whole worker line is destroyed before I know it. Its very frustrating!


on top of what Dazed said you can also leave some scourge on patrol mode on the likely drop area so you may catch the shuttle. and if there are corsairs you ll get the "your forces are under attack" warning. It might help you until your minimap awareness is better.
Horang2 fan
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 14 2018 02:09 GMT
#7717
Yeah camera location is the most critical. Next best thing would be to sit a ling in places where shuttles usually fly by so you have more time to react.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 14 2018 12:01 GMT
#7718
I want to take my game to the next level. I want to know how to use scvs to kill or block lings/zeals from reaching my marines. If I use attack move, they do absolutely nothing and just sit there. It seems like I have to right click on each ling and zealot for the scvs to do their thing.

What you guys do when you are getting ling/zeal rushed and you don't have enough rines yet. You got one and there's 6 lings. Or you got one and there is 1 zealot. What I do is have my marine attack and stick like 5 scvs on the enemy. But this does not always work since the lings just filter past and kill my marine. So what's the best way? I need advice on this. I got the late game down and now I'm working backwards to fix my early early game =)
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
May 14 2018 15:50 GMT
#7719
On May 11 2018 02:04 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Question from newb, I wondered why people told me PvT Reavers are only good for harassing Terran economy, but Snow was using Reavers to battle Flash's army game after game?

Are Reavers any inferior to say Psi Storm in early game PvT?



They are really really hard to control vs army
Sic iter ad astra
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
May 14 2018 20:08 GMT
#7720
How has pvt philosophy changed over the course of 2000 to 2018? Are there any older styles/builds/insights to be gleaned from 'out dated' pvt of the past?
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Prev 1 384 385 386 387 388 484 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 9m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 548
sas.Sziky 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 35554
Calm 12129
Hyuk 5860
Bisu 2962
Horang2 2742
GuemChi 2427
Flash 1528
Jaedong 1180
Larva 734
EffOrt 641
[ Show more ]
Light 448
Soma 437
Soulkey 388
actioN 327
Mong 273
Snow 258
Mini 215
Hyun 175
hero 130
Pusan 128
ggaemo 84
TY 81
JYJ73
Barracks 71
Mind 67
Killer 63
JulyZerg 60
Sea.KH 56
Aegong 46
ToSsGirL 34
Noble 34
Rush 32
sorry 25
soO 23
Sharp 19
Movie 16
SilentControl 15
Sacsri 15
scan(afreeca) 15
Bale 13
Terrorterran 11
yabsab 8
Shine 7
HiyA 6
Dota 2
Gorgc5639
qojqva3084
Dendi1169
XaKoH 429
420jenkins362
XcaliburYe194
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2848
oskar111
markeloff72
byalli15
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor194
Other Games
summit1g11429
singsing2471
hiko937
B2W.Neo760
Sick354
Lowko316
Hui .266
Happy153
Mew2King39
ArmadaUGS32
ToD24
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 46
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 21
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1493
League of Legends
• Nemesis7955
Other Games
• WagamamaTV367
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
2h 9m
Replay Cast
9h 9m
WardiTV Invitational
21h 9m
WardiTV Invitational
1d
PiGosaur Monday
1d 10h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Soma
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.