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Jealous
10099 Posts
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
In a push with tanks I would almost never try to surround a large goon force with mines, you usually need them to buffer for your tanks. If you would clearly win a pure tank vs goon, you can try to cut off the retreat path with mines, but this is a very rare scenario (like when you catch a mine clearing group of goons off guard with your push). Generally I would not recommend this surround goons with mines tactic unless you have atleast 2 Vultures for every Dragoon and you face less than a control group because they will kill vultures and mines so fast that it is unlikely to do damage. | ||
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Jealous
10099 Posts
On April 13 2018 03:54 Cryoc wrote: Jealous explained it pretty well. Split into two groups and mine around them. I would shoot once before laying mines so that some goons would die to a single mine hit. You cannot really attack after you lay the mines because you would lose all your vultures to the mines, too. In a push with tanks I would almost never try to surround a large goon force with mines, you usually need them to buffer for your tanks. If you would clearly win a pure tank vs goon, you can try to cut off the retreat path with mines, but this is a very rare scenario (like when you catch a mine clearing group of goons off guard with your push). Generally I would not recommend this surround goons with mines tactic unless you have atleast 2 Vultures for every Dragoon and you face less than a control group because they will kill vultures and mines so fast that it is unlikely to do damage. Thank you for the added information. Especially the last paragraph; I forgot to mention the last part, but I did it unconsciously in my video above - I have 2 Vultures for every Dragoon in each scenario there. As you can tell in the video, @Golgotha, it seems like there is a diminishing return to the engagement as the group of Dragoons grows, even if it is vs. AI micro and not vs. a human. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3323 Posts
On April 07 2018 12:55 Golgotha wrote: Is this the video u are talking about? I can't watch it until I get back home this one: here Sorry for the slow answer Magic box is also very useful for storms in PvZ by the way | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On April 13 2018 01:58 Jealous wrote: I tried to do a quick showcase of what I mean but because I barely play anymore, I couldn't even hit the "I" key properly (hit "o" like half the time). Just keep in mind that this is far from ideal; I didn't even get the magic box properly every time. However, I think that you can get a rough idea of what I was trying to go for. https://youtu.be/jy8NQxwU0nw Thanks for the demo. So to make magic box work, I keep the vultures in formation and then mine? That will make them all lay mines? Because I hate it when only some lay mines and not everyone. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On April 13 2018 09:30 WGT-Baal wrote: this one: here Sorry for the slow answer Magic box is also very useful for storms in PvZ by the way WGT-Baal thanks so much for introducing me to light. I've been watching his videos on his YouTube channel and he is a great teacher. He constantly details why he is doing what and explains how to respond. Every game. Great for new terrans. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Holy shit. My bois don't do this. They all hit the same spot. Damnit. Brood war is really cool. I knew of magic box but for Mutas and scourge. Did not know that ht spells can be used like this. It's basically multi spell casting  Edit: did blizzard know of this mechanic when making the game? Or is this another thing like muta clumping. | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2737 Posts
I have a slightly related question: Whenever my vultures lay mines, they lay themselves underneath, they wiggle, giggle and squirm, as they crawl away -- most of the times. Is there a trick that makes them scoot quicker after they lay a mine? | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
Also, does anyone know the old 2 factory goliath drop build that used to be used in tvt?/What circumstances it was good for [at least on pre modern maps] | ||
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kogeT
Poland2029 Posts
12 gas= you don't cut scvs going 2 depot & factory In general, you use 12/12 for any fast CC builds, and 11/11 for any kind of factory / starport and other early pressure builds. 2 fact is an exception here as to make a strong 2 fact you need to go 12/12. You also 10 gas for 6-8 marine 2 tank push that hits 20 seconds faster than 12 gas. | ||
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GunSlinger
614 Posts
On April 13 2018 15:10 Navane wrote: Whenever my vultures lay mines, they lay themselves underneath, they wiggle, giggle and squirm, as they crawl away -- most of the times. This is a beautiful piece of poetry. Well done, sir. | ||
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[Fin]Vittu
Canada507 Posts
On April 14 2018 05:03 Dazed. wrote: Why 11/11 or 12/12 in tvt or tvp? How do they actually meaningfully differ? Also, does anyone know the old 2 factory goliath drop build that used to be used in tvt?/What circumstances it was good for [at least on pre modern maps] what does 11/11 mean and 12/12 mean? Isn't supply usually: 11/18 and 12/18? | ||
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
On April 15 2018 19:04 [Fin]Vittu wrote: what does 11/11 mean and 12/12 mean? Isn't supply usually: 11/18 and 12/18? He referred to the barracks and refinery timing. | ||
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funnybananaman
United States830 Posts
On April 13 2018 15:10 Navane wrote: Someone in the programming team probably knew of it. I have a slightly related question: Whenever my vultures lay mines, they lay themselves underneath, they wiggle, giggle and squirm, as they crawl away -- most of the times. Is there a trick that makes them scoot quicker after they lay a mine? If you use the magic box technique on vultures, they will lay mines in a hexagon and run to their next pathing point without a glitch interruption. Master this technique and your vulture harass will be a lot more effective. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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Jealous
10099 Posts
On April 16 2018 11:02 Golgotha wrote: awhile back I asked for help on increasing mini-map awareness and a bunch of folks said to play without sound. it's been a month and I can say that it really works. but now I feel like I won't ever play with sound again =( BWorld problems Sound is still a super important element of the game. I played without sound for years, and then when I turned it back on, it was like I was playing a different game. Never going back. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3323 Posts
On April 16 2018 11:02 Golgotha wrote: awhile back I asked for help on increasing mini-map awareness and a bunch of folks said to play without sound. it's been a month and I can say that it really works. but now I feel like I won't ever play with sound again =( BWorld problems Thanks for letting us now it worked well for you  And it s my pleasure to have introduced you to light, I love his style, it s very entertaining | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On April 17 2018 03:05 WGT-Baal wrote: Thanks for letting us now it worked well for you And it s my pleasure to have introduced you to light, I love his style, it s very entertaining Light is literally the only terran I watch now cuz he actually spams games and gives constant commentary. I never heard of him before, just recently when I saw him vs a protoss and light lost to a single goon. Was light very good back in the day? he is insanely fast and very smart. he knows before a battle if he will win or lose and is so confident. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3323 Posts
On April 17 2018 17:52 Golgotha wrote: Light is literally the only terran I watch now cuz he actually spams games and gives constant commentary. I never heard of him before, just recently when I saw him vs a protoss and light lost to a single goon. Was light very good back in the day? he is insanely fast and very smart. he knows before a battle if he will win or lose and is so confident. He had amazing multitasking and was godlike in tvz, but his tvp was always a weakness, but it was entertaining nonetheless | ||
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Jealous
10099 Posts
On April 17 2018 21:25 WGT-Baal wrote: He had amazing multitasking and was godlike in tvz, but his tvp was always a weakness, but it was entertaining nonetheless At his peak his TvZ was second to none. I don't think it a stretch to say it was as good as Flash's, and in some ways better. I think that Flash was an innovator in TvZ more than Light, but Light's bio play was on another level. I remember one game, may have been vs. Jaedong but I forget, where his first group of mnm denied Mutalisk harass in the middle of the map on pure star sense (knowing when and where the Muta will be). It was the wildest thing I have ever seen in early-mid TvZ, completely nullifying Mutalisk on the map despite their mobility and speed. | ||
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