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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
January 01 2014 03:24 GMT
#3521
On December 31 2013 20:45 evilfatsh1t wrote:
well its to be expected. if you had a 60% winrate you wouldnt be in this thread asking for help. i much prefer to play against people i know i cant beat than people i know i can beat consistently. maybe its just me


thanks man. good to hear others laddering.

different question:
In ZvP, when toss goes cheesy double gate and starts stacking zealots in front of your base, is it normal to be behind 20-30 supply? i dont know how i could have done better in terms of macroing. i even took drones off gas just so I could get better econ and pump drones. my minerals rarely broke 150, but when i look at replay, i am way behind in supply. is it just because the toss has an army and I only have sunkens? I did not go crazy on sunkens, i only added gradually according to what i saw outside my base.
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
January 01 2014 04:10 GMT
#3522
On January 01 2014 12:24 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 20:45 evilfatsh1t wrote:
well its to be expected. if you had a 60% winrate you wouldnt be in this thread asking for help. i much prefer to play against people i know i cant beat than people i know i can beat consistently. maybe its just me


thanks man. good to hear others laddering.

different question:
In ZvP, when toss goes cheesy double gate and starts stacking zealots in front of your base, is it normal to be behind 20-30 supply? i dont know how i could have done better in terms of macroing. i even took drones off gas just so I could get better econ and pump drones. my minerals rarely broke 150, but when i look at replay, i am way behind in supply. is it just because the toss has an army and I only have sunkens? I did not go crazy on sunkens, i only added gradually according to what i saw outside my base.

Replay
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 04:40:21
January 01 2014 04:39 GMT
#3523
On December 25 2013 03:31 traceurling wrote:
Can a D-ranks player pull off Sair/Reaver? Cuz his opponents will be D-Ranked...or is it just too hard even against even skill?


I don't see why not. I used corsair reaver successfully when I was only C-. Clearly not good enough to do it well, but my opponents weren't good enough to play against it well either. In fact, I did better with corsair reaver than I did with zealot templar dragoon. But it's quite map dependent.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
NiDiaoBaoLe
Profile Joined October 2013
Taiwan20 Posts
January 02 2014 10:16 GMT
#3524
I've become recently confused. I read the thread titled Units You Never Bother Making? These comments caught my attention.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439340#12
- Arb writes "Valks destroy wraiths like no other unit in the game lol"

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439340&currentpage=2#35
- LastWish writes "4. Useful in mech openings vs zerg. Also useful lategame TvT to counter mass wraith play."

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439340&currentpage=4#70
- sluggaslamoo writes "Valkyries are basically standard in TvZ/TvT"

I know on the internet people like give false information. Are these comments true?

I can see how Valkyrie's are viable to use in TvT. Wraith are Anti-air so they crash down Valkyries. The Wraith just one-shot Valkyrie, I don't understand how could be effective?
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
January 02 2014 12:31 GMT
#3525
well 1 wraith is just a pea shooter. you need to mass them to be effective.

valks do AOE damage. assuming 3 valks vs 12 wraiths. valks just eat them alive since players tend to clump wraiths together (for damage effectiveness)
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 13:11:24
January 02 2014 13:10 GMT
#3526
On January 02 2014 19:16 NiDiaoBaoLe wrote:
I've become recently confused. I read the thread titled Units You Never Bother Making? These comments caught my attention.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439340#12
- Arb writes "Valks destroy wraiths like no other unit in the game lol"

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439340&currentpage=2#35
- LastWish writes "4. Useful in mech openings vs zerg. Also useful lategame TvT to counter mass wraith play."

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439340&currentpage=4#70
- sluggaslamoo writes "Valkyries are basically standard in TvZ/TvT"

I know on the internet people like give false information. Are these comments true?

I can see how Valkyrie's are viable to use in TvT. Wraith are Anti-air so they crash down Valkyries. The Wraith just one-shot Valkyrie, I don't understand how could be effective?


Yeah, it's true. Valkyries can be used in TvT vs mass wraiths. You need to get a bunch of them before they start being effective, like 8 valkryies vs 30 wraiths, or something like that.

And in TvZ you can of course use valkyries vs mutalisks. Look at some Fantasy games, he did it a lot.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
January 02 2014 13:21 GMT
#3527
in TvZ, fantasy 'revolutionized' mech tvz by spider mining the larva via fast dropship into armory ( for gol + valk defense)
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fencer
Profile Joined October 2011
122 Posts
January 02 2014 15:21 GMT
#3528
Why do so many players (streamers) keep playing for several seconds after the other player left? Often returning to their base to build new buildings or starting a research and whatnot. "I'm a machine I can't stop until I'm forcibly removed from the game!!!"

Disc Golf is Awesome! Thought I'd throw that out there =)
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 15:30:42
January 02 2014 15:30 GMT
#3529
On January 03 2014 00:21 fencer wrote:
Why do so many players (streamers) keep playing for several seconds after the other player left? Often returning to their base to build new buildings or starting a research and whatnot. "I'm a machine I can't stop until I'm forcibly removed from the game!!!"



They have OCD. When completing a macro management cycle, or transferring SCV's, or anything like that is on their minds, they have to do it. It comes with playing Brood War at a high level for a long time.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
fencer
Profile Joined October 2011
122 Posts
January 02 2014 16:10 GMT
#3530
Must have been painful for all the good players that transferred to SC2 when they discovered they can't do that there then
Disc Golf is Awesome! Thought I'd throw that out there =)
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
January 02 2014 17:45 GMT
#3531
On January 03 2014 00:21 fencer wrote:
Why do so many players (streamers) keep playing for several seconds after the other player left? Often returning to their base to build new buildings or starting a research and whatnot. "I'm a machine I can't stop until I'm forcibly removed from the game!!!"


I know one of my friends does it sometimes to scout out the map and see what the other guy had when he quit. It's a bit quicker than watching the replay, though it gives less information on the game. And if you're still in-game for whatever reason, might as well macro to keep your rhythm up.

I'm sure different individuals have their own reasons for doing this if they do.
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 20:01:07
January 02 2014 19:42 GMT
#3532
On January 03 2014 00:21 fencer wrote:
Why do so many players (streamers) keep playing for several seconds after the other player left? Often returning to their base to build new buildings or starting a research and whatnot. "I'm a machine I can't stop until I'm forcibly removed from the game!!!"


When I do this it's either to run something into their base to see what they had or to finish a battle/destroy all their units for my own satisfaction but I suspect that in the case of the Korean streamers Voddy has it right, they're completing their macro cycles.

On January 02 2014 19:16 NiDiaoBaoLe wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439340#12
- Arb writes "Valks destroy wraiths like no other unit in the game lol"

I would say the only other unit that comes close to destroying wraiths as hard as valks do is corsairs.
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traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
January 05 2014 18:19 GMT
#3533
When am I supposed to put down a robo facility in PvZ I keep losing even though I have a 50 supply lead usually because (assuming I make it past the mutas or hydra busts) my third gets denied or lurkers...lurkers everwhere...lurkers in my main, lurkers in my natural, lurkers at my third, lurkers containing qq...so yeah when do i place the robo?
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8939 Posts
January 05 2014 19:57 GMT
#3534
theres no set build order but you want it to finish by the time you finish dragoon range and have a handful of dragoons.also if your 3rd is being denied by lurkers your 3rd is going up way too late, unless his build is 3 hatch lurker
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
January 05 2014 21:18 GMT
#3535
On January 06 2014 03:19 traceurling wrote:
When am I supposed to put down a robo facility in PvZ I keep losing even though I have a 50 supply lead usually because (assuming I make it past the mutas or hydra busts) my third gets denied or lurkers...lurkers everwhere...lurkers in my main, lurkers in my natural, lurkers at my third, lurkers containing qq...so yeah when do i place the robo?

If you are doing pretty standard sair speedlot stuff then typical timing is after 6th gate. However, you can get it after 4th gate if you suspect they will be coming earlier.
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HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 22:30:07
January 05 2014 22:02 GMT
#3536
Not sure if it's the place to ask but any1 remember a scrappy but entertaining tvp game on a 2ppl map?
a few years ago involving carriers + marine coutner


thanks!

edit: found it... It's the Hiya vs Violet game on Bloody Ridge
sigh violet.....
BW forever!
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 05 2014 22:04 GMT
#3537
On January 03 2014 00:21 fencer wrote:
Why do so many players (streamers) keep playing for several seconds after the other player left? Often returning to their base to build new buildings or starting a research and whatnot. "I'm a machine I can't stop until I'm forcibly removed from the game!!!"


Habit learned from playing vs noobs who stay in the game after they type gg. Really annoying to let up and then realise your opponent is still playing in earnest.

Sometimes just a genuine desire to finish what you were doing tho ;p I remember a guy who would stay in the game and destroy every last building. For him it was part of the role playing aspect of the game hahaha. Made for funny replays.
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5504 Posts
January 06 2014 12:32 GMT
#3538
Can you guys recommend me some old GOMTV classic games?

I've seen tons of OSL, MSL, SPL games, but not GOMTV. So linking me to GOMTV notable series/games would be appreciated
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
January 06 2014 13:09 GMT
#3539
you could start with this



:D
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LV_426
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland436 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 23:08:31
January 07 2014 23:07 GMT
#3540
Jaedong vs Lomo - one of my favorite comebacks from gomtv

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