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griffin88
United Kingdom3 Posts
I've been playing Zerg in Brood war for some time now, but I watch SC2 matches as well, and of course in SC2 creep is very important for zerg in that. But it crossed my mind though- does creep help the zerg in BW? Like increasing speed of movement, regeneration, etc., apart from providing building ground. I have tried searching for this topic but nothing came up, so I decided to ask here. Can anyone help? Thanks | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1975 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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`Zapdos
United States935 Posts
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
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Spazer
Canada8033 Posts
On February 07 2011 03:44 n.DieJokes wrote: I'm not sure if this is in bw or vanilla or a figment of my imagination but for some reason I think zerg units regenerate health a little bit faster on creep. No very useful, in fact I've never taken the time to check if this is true or not but a little voice in the back of my head says its so I just tested it, and this is not the case. Units regen health at the same speed whether they are on or off creep. There really isn't any use for creep besides placing buildings. I guess you could proxy hatcheries to deny the building space for other races, but that seems like a bad idea. In any case, there isn't really any way to effectively spread creep, so the point is kinda moot. | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
On February 07 2011 04:30 Spazer wrote: I just tested it, and this is not the case. Units regen health at the same speed whether they are on or off creep. There really isn't any use for creep besides placing buildings. I guess you could proxy hatcheries to deny the building space for other races, but that seems like a bad idea. In any case, there isn't really any way to effectively spread creep, so the point is kinda moot. How accurately did you test this? Cause I'm pretty sure what Jokes wrote is true. | ||
Chill
Calgary25990 Posts
On February 07 2011 04:40 MiniRoman wrote: How accurately did you test this? Cause I'm pretty sure what Jokes wrote is true. It's 100% not true. It was only true for WC3. | ||
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QooQ
United States96 Posts
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Spazer
Canada8033 Posts
On February 07 2011 04:40 MiniRoman wrote: How accurately did you test this? Cause I'm pretty sure what Jokes wrote is true. I used the map editor and placed a starting point and hatchery for a human player. I then put one zergling on creep, and another off creep. I set both zerglings to 1% health and started the map. After a minute or two, the zerglings had regenerated the same amount of health. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
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Gak2
Canada418 Posts
but that's about it | ||
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SpaceFighting
New Zealand690 Posts
On February 07 2011 03:44 n.DieJokes wrote: I'm not sure if this is in bw or vanilla or a figment of my imagination but for some reason I think zerg units regenerate health a little bit faster on creep. No very useful, in fact I've never taken the time to check if this is true or not but a little voice in the back of my head says its so i to was thinking this.....in wc3, creep increases undeads regen...then in sc2 creep increases alot more shit....so maybe sc:bw just had no benefits at all then as new games released they gave it something to benefit from other than placing buildings O.o | ||
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WuzzupPeeps
130 Posts
And no creep doesn't do anything else other than allowing buildings in bw. | ||
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rigelq
United States230 Posts
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On February 07 2011 11:35 rigelq wrote: Something people are kinda forgetting is you can place sunkens and nydus canals on enemy creep. Not really a bonus, but fun to do. That actually happened in a pretty recent pro game once. The nydus canals, I mean. I've also seen offensive sunken attacks in recent pro games. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
[QUOTE]On February 07 2011 11:35 rigelq wrote: Something people are kinda forgetting is you can place sunkens and nydus canals on enemy creep. Not really a bonus, but fun to do.[/QUOTE] That actually happened in a pretty recent pro game once. The nydus canals, I mean. I've also seen offensive sunken attacks in recent pro games.[/QUOT] i think it was effort vs an SKT zerg .. effort doing the nydus-ing | ||
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whiterabb1t
Belgium681 Posts
[QUOTE]On February 07 2011 17:51 vOdToasT wrote: [QUOTE]On February 07 2011 11:35 rigelq wrote: Something people are kinda forgetting is you can place sunkens and nydus canals on enemy creep. Not really a bonus, but fun to do.[/QUOTE] That actually happened in a pretty recent pro game once. The nydus canals, I mean. I've also seen offensive sunken attacks in recent pro games.[/QUOT] i think it was effort vs an SKT zerg .. effort doing the nydus-ing[/QUOTE] Nice quote  Yes, offensive sunken and nydus is a rare gem | ||
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Gnabgib
United States381 Posts
[QUOTE]On February 07 2011 17:51 vOdToasT wrote: [QUOTE]On February 07 2011 11:35 rigelq wrote: Something people are kinda forgetting is you can place sunkens and nydus canals on enemy creep. Not really a bonus, but fun to do.[/QUOTE] That actually happened in a pretty recent pro game once. The nydus canals, I mean. I've also seen offensive sunken attacks in recent pro games.[/QUOT] i think it was effort vs an SKT zerg .. effort doing the nydus-ing[/QUOTE] Hyuk vs Effort in the playoffs last year: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-R0Iy-go-k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-R0Iy-go-k[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvUkX4QzRJg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvUkX4QzRJg[/url] | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
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YejinYejin
United States1053 Posts
On February 07 2011 22:25 hellbound wrote: Effort also did an offensive spore once... Was that so that his mutas could be more aggressive? They fight the enemy mutas at the opponent's base, and don't have to retreat very far if they're outnumbered. | ||
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Frigo
Hungary1023 Posts
However, feel free to do offensive sunkens, he should see them coming from a mile away. | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1975 Posts
On February 08 2011 00:22 Frigo wrote: I do not recommend offensive nydus, it is bm as fuck, and I'm not sure if it is legal. However, feel free to do offensive sunkens, he should see them coming from a mile away. er, offensive nydus isn't bm, and it's definitely legal. Are you going to call dropping illegal and bm now? | ||
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TurboDreams
United States427 Posts
On February 08 2011 00:22 Frigo wrote: I do not recommend offensive nydus, it is bm as fuck, and I'm not sure if it is legal. However, feel free to do offensive sunkens, he should see them coming from a mile away. The only thing that is illegal is the abuse of certain bugs, everything else is fair game. | ||
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`Zapdos
United States935 Posts
On February 08 2011 00:22 Frigo wrote: I do not recommend offensive nydus, it is bm as fuck, and I'm not sure if it is legal. However, feel free to do offensive sunkens, he should see them coming from a mile away. ROFL how would that be illegal??? Do you even watch bw? I've seen 2 ZvZ's with offensive nydus's and they may be 'bm' but they were hella effective. One guy didn't even notice it building in his base and he lost because of it. | ||
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YejinYejin
United States1053 Posts
Offensive nydus is different. It actually serves a tactical purpose. It makes your lings much more potent, and gives you an easy backstab attack if they're being too aggressive with their mutas and don't see your nydus. It doesn't happen much because we don't see much hive tech ZvZ, but when the occasional long ZvZ game happens, it's definitely a legitimate tactic to use. | ||
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
no larva = no units = lose | ||
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griffin88
United Kingdom3 Posts
I recently played someone in zvz, and they used a tactic of placing a creep colony behind the mineral line (I think this only works for some maps, like LT). My inital thought was 'great he's going to harrass with it.' , but now I think about it, it can provide some vision of what I was doing in my base, and he could also preserve his drone scout for later use, by cancelling it. So yeah, creep isn't much use apart from building/preventing building in BW I guss, but I was just curious. Thanks everyone! | ||
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
On February 07 2011 20:49 aimaimaim wrote: i think it was effort vs an SKT zerg .. effort doing the nydus-ing effort v hyuk Edit - Someone beat me to it. | ||
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Gak2
Canada418 Posts
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On February 08 2011 00:22 Frigo wrote: I do not recommend offensive nydus, it is bm as fuck, and I'm not sure if it is legal. However, feel free to do offensive sunkens, he should see them coming from a mile away. Really? I have a hard time believing your sig if u said "off. nydus is illegal" | ||
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Munk-E
United States672 Posts
I plagued both to 1 HP and waited, 1 on creep, 1 off. Before + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/aUYzE.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/7V8o8.jpg) After + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/XEnaS.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/7Zut2.jpg) So, just as I thought, no change. | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
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Jragon
Australia1471 Posts
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Spazer
Canada8033 Posts
On February 18 2011 13:35 Jragon wrote: Is regen rate the same for all units? Yes. Confirmed in map editor. | ||
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undyinglight
United States611 Posts
On February 07 2011 03:44 n.DieJokes wrote: I'm not sure if this is in bw or vanilla or a figment of my imagination but for some reason I think zerg units regenerate health a little bit faster on creep. No very useful, in fact I've never taken the time to check if this is true or not but a little voice in the back of my head says its so It does not, but in war 3 Undead units gained 2hp/s regen while standing on the blight, or hovering over it in the case of air units. | ||
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1a2a3aPro
Canada227 Posts
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On February 18 2011 07:15 Munk-E wrote: I tested the creep health regen. I plagued both to 1 HP and waited, 1 on creep, 1 off. Before + Show Spoiler + After + Show Spoiler + So, just as I thought, no change. Why did you test it with ultras lol | ||
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DarkGeneral
Canada328 Posts
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
yeah srsly .. that was the 1st thing i thought too .. why Ultralisks? :D | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
It would also mean a little regen rate difference would become easily noticeable. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
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