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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On December 25 2010 02:42 Zergneedsfood wrote: Didn't someone gg upon seeing hallucinated carriers but thought they were real? Even if this is true, one should NEVER rely on tricking your opponent to get a win. The best way to get wins is as Day[9] says, incredibly solid play with crisp timings and smooth transitions. Trickery has its role but should not be a mainstay of your play | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On December 25 2010 04:05 xxpack09 wrote: Even if this is true, one should NEVER rely on tricking your opponent to get a win. The best way to get wins is as Day[9] says, incredibly solid play with crisp timings and smooth transitions. Trickery has its role but should not be a mainstay of your play It was JangBi vs Flash on a dessert map -_- | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On December 26 2010 15:10 Xiphos wrote: It was JangBi vs Flash on a dessert map -_- lol that was funny to watch. ^^ Almost as bad as the time where a defiler consumed an overlord with an ultralisk in it. x) | ||
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TurboDreams
United States427 Posts
On December 24 2010 15:33 Xiphos wrote: Guys, I wonder if MASS hallucinated Carrier into Arbiters will work, dope Terran into thinking Mass cariers are coming but in fact, the Toss is doing the regular Arbiter builds and run over the Terran. This way, you won't overcommit into making too much stargate AND keep up the ground pressure. It shouldn't work against a Terran who properly scouts. An example would be if he knows you have only 1 stargate and all of a sudden you have like 15 carriers, he will know that they are fake. Another way is to check the army size, when Protoss players go carriers, their ground army is really small, so if Terran sees a ground army that is equal to his plus a really huge carrier fleet, he is gonna know something is up. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On December 27 2010 01:50 Musiq wrote: It shouldn't work against a Terran who properly scouts. An example would be if he knows you have only 1 stargate and all of a sudden you have like 15 carriers, he will know that they are fake. Another way is to check the army size, when Protoss players go carriers, their ground army is really small, so if Terran sees a ground army that is equal to his plus a really huge carrier fleet, he is gonna know something is up. Well Terran move out with a HUGE ball of death, you fend it off, the game is now even. You can't really go to be more aggressive or defensive and can't really break it. Terran scout your base and see MASS hallucinated Carriers. For a small time, he is making ONE round of Goliath, utilize the time correctly to kill off his ground army then GG. Only do it when the game is even or you have an advantage over the Terran. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On December 24 2010 21:39 KwarK wrote: Arbiters make carriers better but this isn't really a strategy. This is just standard PvT carrier transition with adding arbiters if you have money. All carrier play is this, it's just sometimes they have the gas to do it and sometimes they don't. Best post so far. Arbiters are a supplementary support unit. They're not the center of any strategy. The OP hasn't said anything incorrect. | ||
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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
On December 27 2010 07:20 PH wrote: Best post so far. Arbiters are a supplementary support unit. They're not the center of any strategy. The OP hasn't said anything incorrect. It's funny how the people with the red hammers consistently do that... | ||
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renzy
Canada781 Posts
On December 26 2010 15:10 Xiphos wrote: It was JangBi vs Flash on a dessert map -_- I've been trying to find the game but couldn't, can you provide a link to that VOD please? | ||
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justjuice
New Zealand165 Posts
On December 27 2010 11:23 renzy wrote: Yeah link please I've been trying to find the game but couldn't, can you provide a link to that VOD please?  | ||
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Jung1
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Jung1
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
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LastWish
2015 Posts
You tech arbiters, because your army composition is mainly zealots and dragoons so you have a lot of spare gas. Now your choice is between templars and arbiters to spend the gas for. Ground templars are slow and easy to snipe with vultures. To use them effectively for offence you need shuttles aswell, so in the end on most maps you'll prefer arbiters. This transition is fluent and there is almost no drawback, as it is when making transition into carriers who are mineral heavy(550 each) and so for some time you'll have to cut down on your ground army before carriers are ready to use(build + full of interceptors). Now from carriers a better transition is probably templars then arbiters. The reason for this is that when carriers are around, terran player is forced to transition from tank+vulture -> tank+goliath. Therefore you don't need to worry so much about vultures sniping your templars, tank counts will be a lot lower too and goliaths have little ability to dodge storms. On the other hand making arbiter along with carriers gives you for the most of the time only cloak boost. Using recall is good in theory but apart from recalling new carriers, you don't have the use for it. Most of the time your carriers are flying above cliffs, water and not mainland where you would want to recall your ground reinforcements. Statis fielding goliaths won't allow you to kill them. Unlike when you statis ground army, you allow yourself to beat the rest of his army, and then wait and kill the remaining units cheaply when then statis wears off. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10253 Posts
On December 24 2010 12:39 zcxvbn wrote: What? An arb takes only slightly longer to build than a carrier, and you can build the extra tech (templar archives+arbiter tribunal, assuming you already have citadel for speedzeals) concurrently while your first carriers are building. The only concern is that you might not have enough gas for it all, but on macro maps like f/s where usually both p and t get their thirds relatively early, that's not as much of an issue. I still dont advise it. maybe on like outsider (best map EVA) where you got like 100 gas places. Bit I thought this was Arbiter-->Carrier, not Carrier building-->Arbiter... I mean, it could work, you just need a butt load of gas, minerals to support mass interceptor production, and patience. | ||
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Loser777
1931 Posts
On December 27 2010 11:23 renzy wrote: I've been trying to find the game but couldn't, can you provide a link to that VOD please? The only match that is on YouTube that I've found is Jangbi vs. Flash on Colosseum... but that's from 2008 and Flash completely rolled Jangbi. | ||
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