EPTPracticing against the computer?
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Thehummel
Denmark122 Posts
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
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micro7295
United States68 Posts
 ) for some odd reason. its all too easy to 1v1 a cpu and mass like 1-2 groups of units and extra units like overlords/vessel/observers/scvs and crush them perfectly fine. they can have like 4 bases and u can live off like 2 of em.but they ARE nice for practicing build orders. this is true also i suppose theyll help u train ur micro and get u used to effective base management and layout. after a point, its time to go 2 multiplayer cuz u wont improve much | ||
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HickleStine
Australia276 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On August 16 2010 10:17 micro7295 wrote: lmfaooo lemme tell u, computers arent the greatest opponents u can face. for 1 thing theyre not human and so dont improvise very well. they also do little to no scouting. only for expansions. they also dont usually mass units unless theyve already been attacked. they also build multiple defenses that they dont need at all (or wont be helping them much ) for some odd reason. its all too easy to 1v1 a cpu and mass like 1-2 groups of units and extra units like overlords/vessel/observers/scvs and crush them perfectly fine. they can have like 4 bases and u can live off like 2 of em.but they ARE nice for practicing build orders. this is true also i suppose theyll help u train ur micro and get u used to effective base management and layout. after a point, its time to go 2 multiplayer cuz u wont improve muchPretty much what this guy said. For an actual game? No, computers are absolutely terrible. they are nice for practicing timing pushes and build orders on though | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
But for testing strategies, micro and everything over 7 minutes of games is not  There is some stuff you can try while playing vs the computer. In my case, I try to be maxed ASAP w/o being supply blocked. When you get to a more advanced level you can do more complex and micro intensive stuff, like testing your drops, cloning, etc. By the way, If you are just starting to play in competitive level, practice your split against the computer. Do it for 1 hour or 2 for a few days. It's really worth it if you want to get your BO timings right later in your play. In conclusion, build orders and macro are fine to practice against the PC. For anything else, stick to multiplayer  | ||
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dennisvreyes
175 Posts
Try this: 1v3 or to get max kick 1v7 in BGH. It's extremely fun and there many things you could practice that you could take with you on a 1v1 against humans. for example: 1. perfecting your BO (as they all chorus) 2. macro: imagine wave after wave of zealots, goons, and lings, hydras, MM knocking constantly at your entry in BGH. unless you tank turtle (T) or do something every defensive (spam canons/sunk/spore), this is a great way to really mind your production and learn the trick of keeping your mines low. In my case, this is how i learned to increase my APM. But to be realistic, try 2v1 or 3v1. It`s beatable and you practice many aspects of your game. 3. strategy specific micro: if you want to learn vult harass, dark swarm position, storms, shuttle reaver micro, this is your starting point. Just remember these thing about computer AI: 1. they don't or rarely do defense 2. they don't do army micro 3. they don't care about the right army composition 4. they don't care about your BO or strategy, they have their own and go for it 5. they don't scout (which explains #4) 5. once you get to their expo it's pretty much GG Tho i wonder, if you have time to watch replays and play against computer, why not play in iCCup instead? Nothing beats the real experience | ||
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
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Thehummel
Denmark122 Posts
7- Barrack 8 - Supply And so on, and i have tried to figure it or, but dont get it at all. Thanks would be apperticated | ||
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SilentCrono
United States1420 Posts
On August 16 2010 12:39 TriniMasta wrote: Yeah it'll teach you to play against 1 base cheese. yes, but extremely late cheese  | ||
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
On August 16 2010 13:41 Thehummel wrote: I would love to play against other people at iccup or any other platforms. But i just cant for the moment. Since i'm fairly new, could anyone explain build orders, and how you read them. Because when i see a build order, it's like 7- Barrack 8 - Supply And so on, and i have tried to figure it or, but dont get it at all. Thanks would be apperticated The number on the left is your supply count, the number on the right is your maximum supply count at that time. (If it only shows one like that, it's current supply, not maximum supply). It's basically exactly what you see in the top right corner of the screen in game. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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dennisvreyes
175 Posts
is this guy serious. man if you mean you're just starting BW and want to be familiar, go to tlpd or anywhere in the net for strat guide, look for BOs and stuff, practice with computer, then post here again to tell us about it or specific question regarding your games 1 base chees is a good way to start tho :D | ||
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80272 | ||
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
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Frigo
Hungary1023 Posts
Anyway, try 1v1 BWAI, until you can win every single match, then switch to 1v2. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
Not being able to play another human is really tough though, not even Hamachi works? | ||
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MusicalPulse
United States162 Posts
On August 16 2010 15:19 MorningMusume11 wrote: If you're at least D you could try the stuff that's listed in this link http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80272 I was going to say this too. Use BroodWarAi, it's a much harder version(s) of the BW Ai. You can choose what the Ai does, like turtle, cheese, aggressive, etc. There are also harder versions, and cheating versions, where they get money. The "normal" version is already pretty hard for D, they are about the same lv of ppl on ICCup. I suggest you download this and play against the "Ashara" Ai. Broodwarai.com Download link is on right, brood war ai launcher. | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Peru1308 Posts
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darklordjac
Canada2231 Posts
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
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Firien
Poland115 Posts
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micro7295
United States68 Posts
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gamecrazy
United States421 Posts
Also, 1v3's and may also put enough pressure on you to really get you to practice your macro. Either way though, computers are not as good as human opponents esp. because their play is nonstandard and their macro nonexistent. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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Thehummel
Denmark122 Posts
But thanks for all the replies. I will give the BWAI a try | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
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seRapH
United States9777 Posts
i think his name was blackman or something... yes it was. edit: well it sounds like he made his own ai. i dont know of any that actually function even half decently. entropy is easy, and that EISBot or w/e thats out requires two computers, and functions at a low D level. | ||
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Frigo
Hungary1023 Posts
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
On August 22 2010 23:15 seRapH wrote: there was that one guy who practiced against AI because he didn't have internet at home or something. then he played boxer. i think his name was blackman or something... yes it was. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNi_vPFYjfQ edit: well it sounds like he made his own ai. i dont know of any that actually function even half decently. entropy is easy, and that EISBot or w/e thats out requires two computers, and functions at a low D level. I've heard that he never really did and it just turned out to be a rumor. But if you want to play against computers, either do 1v7 to work on macro, or do no computers (remove computer during countdown) to practice builds | ||
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jackofclubs81
United States196 Posts
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seRapH
United States9777 Posts
On August 23 2010 00:12 Frigo wrote: How did he end up playing vs Boxer anyway? WCG. | ||
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sushi.oi.zz
Hong Kong72 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8505 Posts
practice vs computer different build orders and timings after that go on iccup (or bnet) and start playing against humans with every lose you will improve ! | ||
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