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WickeD
Profile Joined April 2003
Slovakia789 Posts
March 17 2004 01:58 GMT
#1
I played a friend of mine yesterday, I'm terr, he is toss. We played a lot of games (10+) and I won every game on every map except Nostalgia. I like Nostalgia, it's a nice map, but why the hell can't I win vs a decent toss on it? Plz good TvP nostalgia replays are welcome and/or advice!!!
Thx in advance!
Broodwar: Few days to learn, lifetime to Master
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28736 Posts
March 17 2004 02:02 GMT
#2
you need to be really, really good at pushing.

and it's incredibly difficult. I have to this day as far as I can remember never lost pvt nostalgia, and tvp there I've lost like 10 games maybe, and I've played more pvt. =(

so basically, it's really hard. but an extremely good push can be successful. cross positions makes it somewhat undoable though.
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AutumnLight
Profile Joined July 2003
Ukraine2488 Posts
March 17 2004 02:07 GMT
#3
make m&ms with your tanks and vults,it's more cost effective on 1 gas then tanks,vults alone
Pray for War.
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic937 Posts
March 17 2004 02:24 GMT
#4
2 fact, mine tank exp, harrass with vultures, mass the tanks, carefully push over the bridges, exp mass push gogo - -v
never too old for starcraft :)
bigMommA
Profile Joined March 2003
1985 Posts
March 17 2004 02:42 GMT
#5
that bridge is just gg for terran. also anything but the natural expansion is just too far for T to expand.
Yarertz
Profile Joined February 2003
Djibouti1891 Posts
March 17 2004 02:50 GMT
#6
Maybe Some1 could say how do "the proper push"? coz even when i got adantage i loss coz my push sux any 1 plz? and btw. not only for Nostalgia
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Pafnucy
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland1124 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-03-17 02:53:53
March 17 2004 02:53 GMT
#7
On March 17 2004 11:50 Yarertz wrote:
Maybe Some1 could say how do "the proper push"? coz even when i got adantage i loss coz my push sux any 1 plz? and btw. not only for Nostalgia


answer: one that doesn't get killed, even on cross positions
edit: ... on nostalgia
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BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
March 17 2004 03:00 GMT
#8
nothing you do will matter if you cant prevent expansions.

you need to vult harass like a bastard while massing hardcore.

if they start grabbing expos its time to get desperate, this is when you should push, tornado style, while expoing once or twice more. you should have some mines down already because of your vult harass.

if you time your push really well and macro well you can win with that alone. you might want to slow push a little to get past your bridge, but besides that, i wouldnt worry as much about pushing as i would about preventing expos.

another thing is drops, get 2 ships full of tanks to aid your vult harass, 12 vults +4 tanks takes out almost any expo, they cant hold the choke.

the key to good terran is good harass
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WickeD
Profile Joined April 2003
Slovakia789 Posts
March 17 2004 03:07 GMT
#9
I must concur...I actually won a lot of Nostalgia TvP games if the positions were 11-2 or 8-5 simply by going a typical push. It's similar to other maps and quite close for a push to be succesful. Postions like 11-8 or 2-5 are still doable but more difficult. I find cross positions undoable as drone pointed out. The only way I defeated decent toss on cross postions is cheese (hidden proxy fact). Are there any vods of nostalgia TvP games?
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Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic937 Posts
March 17 2004 03:09 GMT
#10
JoYo vs ForU vod on nostalgia can be example or cross positions TvP game...
never too old for starcraft :)
IntoTheClan
Profile Joined November 2003
Afghanistan207 Posts
March 17 2004 03:15 GMT
#11
try to take the middle with the gosu terran.. if u build there depots and turrets wise and you have good vulture and tank control you simpley must avoid the toss to expand and expand yourself.. But thats all pretty easy to say.. and hard to play..
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
March 17 2004 03:15 GMT
#12
anc-audax- (which is either ddang or yooi, dunno for sure) vs leg in anc vs pos clanwar is probably one of the best tvp nostalgia games with terran winning you can get
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
WickeD
Profile Joined April 2003
Slovakia789 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-03-17 03:24:34
March 17 2004 03:24 GMT
#13
infinity where can i find it?
Broodwar: Few days to learn, lifetime to Master
FriEndLy86
Profile Joined February 2004
Poland104 Posts
March 21 2004 04:02 GMT
#14
wicked: the rep should be in this replay pack
http://www.starcraftgamers.com/crewfiler/BanDIT/aNcvsPOS.zip
woden[FICS]
Profile Joined June 2003
American Samoa112 Posts
March 21 2004 04:58 GMT
#15
hey friendly i got that pack from you, thx btw, but i couldnt find anyone with those names in the pack...
is it their akas?
woden[FICS]
Profile Joined June 2003
American Samoa112 Posts
March 21 2004 05:10 GMT
#16
i watched the tvp in that pack on nostalgia and that terran had incredible vult control
great gaem to watch, thx
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
March 21 2004 12:32 GMT
#17
wait till he takes 3rd base
you have to kill it immediately
and i'm not talking dropship
JAM THE FUCKER!
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
March 21 2004 12:33 GMT
#18
vult harrass
dropship bs
all of it goes out the window
nostalgia is the new rivalry
win on the ground with brute force
there is no other strategy
JAM THE FUCKER!
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
March 21 2004 17:59 GMT
#19
Some 3 fact opening might work on nostalgia. Just mass macro out of 1 base, try to kill him. If it doesn't work, you're kinda fucked, unless you did damage to him.
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FroZZoR
Profile Joined October 2002
China925 Posts
March 21 2004 18:57 GMT
#20
casper is 100% right..
you just need to do something amazing with vultures because you won't have the gas for dropships
you'll probably want to 2 fact vult expand then pray to god he loses something to mines, because if he plays perfectly safe you basically have no chance
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Liquid`RaSZi
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2766 Posts
March 21 2004 23:21 GMT
#21
Pushing and putting tanks behind the walls in the middle is damn good. And mines mines mines.
Fire and blood
AutumnLight
Profile Joined July 2003
Ukraine2488 Posts
March 22 2004 13:29 GMT
#22
nostaliga = vultmania
Pray for War.
Commander{+}
Profile Joined December 2002
United States2878 Posts
March 22 2004 20:25 GMT
#23
I think you need a lot more facts then like LT, so you can make a lot more vults. Like 2 facts pumping non-stop tanks and like 6~ pumping vults during the first part, once you take another 1-2 expoes make even more.
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
March 22 2004 22:18 GMT
#24
casper and bigballz are two of my favorite posters around here

who likes nostalgia why do ppl play it? becuz of ogn "50%" ?
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
March 23 2004 04:14 GMT
#25
I like nostalgia a lot and I'm zerg
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EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
March 24 2005 07:50 GMT
#26
For some reason, I've found using a bio build very effective, in fact of all the tvps on nostalgia that I've played at pgtour, the only one's I've won were with bio builds. I think the key to bio builds being so succesful is their low gas cost and their effectiveness vs goons and lots when paired with tanks. The usual bio counters for toss are templars and reavers which are really big on gas making them hard to make.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36389 Posts
March 24 2005 08:09 GMT
#27
hooray for year old threads!!
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VdP]EpiphaNy
Profile Joined March 2004
United Kingdom992 Posts
March 25 2005 01:38 GMT
#28
damn for a sec there i thought stimey was posting again :}
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koit
Profile Joined July 2004
United States450 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-25 01:43:58
March 25 2005 01:41 GMT
#29
On March 23 2004 13:14 Twisted wrote:
I like nostalgia a lot and I'm zerg

fancy that!

ps awesome clog

edit: can anybody link/pm me a link to those vods or reps mentioned earlier in the thread? it would be most appreciated
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RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9949 Posts
March 25 2005 01:47 GMT
#30
Rob vs Hexer is cool too
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iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
March 25 2005 19:43 GMT
#31
Mostly if I lose Nostalgia on pvt, I lose because early push on bridges... Terran just owns at them. In Hexatron vs ToT-cw sYs vs SSam is one like that.

And btw. is there any place to get that aNc vs POS-cw?
It takes a fool to remain sane.
eternalbliss
Profile Joined August 2004
United States1035 Posts
March 26 2005 02:10 GMT
#32
Do a bamboo rush early, and you could do soem damage to let you expo massivlely.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-26 02:39:52
March 26 2005 02:39 GMT
#33
The starting location is pretty important IMO, if it's like 11 vs 2 or 5 vs 7 (or just non-diagonal even), it's just that much harder for the Terran player because there is less of a terrain advantage.
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stimpack[pG]
Profile Joined November 2004
Philippines88 Posts
March 26 2005 02:40 GMT
#34
2fac tank rush sometimes works...
inkblot
Profile Joined December 2004
United States1250 Posts
March 26 2005 02:42 GMT
#35
You can still get the anc v pos on gosugamers.net. Take the link posted above, paste it into browser, and replace starcraftgamers.com with gosugamers.net.
koit
Profile Joined July 2004
United States450 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-03-26 04:38:47
March 26 2005 04:37 GMT
#36
thxor :D

leg = ggnore?
aka f(x)dx
PIKI
Profile Joined March 2003
Poland143 Posts
March 26 2005 05:45 GMT
#37
http://www.wgtour.com/gosugamers/crewfiler/BanDIT/aNcvsPOS.zip

aNc vs POS... enjoy!
iS-HredunoS
-PhiL-
Profile Joined March 2005
362 Posts
March 26 2005 05:52 GMT
#38
Positions in TvP on Nostalgia are pretty important! If you get 2 supplies to make the terrain completely safe, you can expand and the toss has 100% lose if he doesnt go carrier..

Other positions its really hard.. i think u need a very good 2 fac push to kill him early or give him a disadvantage..

They key is to get enough units to break through and reach the middle, where u build mass turrets and put all your forces and simply expand everything and build more and more units..
If you want to much and move forward to his base, he flanks you and you are death.. if you wait and build up a nice containment and expand, all he can do is wait or make the fault and try to attack which is in 99,9% unsuccesfull !

The most part of my story depends pretty much on positions.. hopefully you find yourself at top and him at bottom or the other way around..
KillerPenguin
Profile Joined June 2004
United States516 Posts
April 05 2005 23:06 GMT
#39
Yeah, as long as ur either on top or on bottom he has 100% lose, no doubt. In fact just type GG NO RE if u know he isn't car newbie. If he is car newbie just go super duper turret mass in the middle then 99.8% win.
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iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
April 05 2005 23:10 GMT
#40
On March 26 2005 14:45 PIKI wrote:
http://www.wgtour.com/gosugamers/crewfiler/BanDIT/aNcvsPOS.zip

aNc vs POS... enjoy!


Thanks.
It takes a fool to remain sane.
ulti
Profile Joined February 2004
Germany136 Posts
April 06 2005 04:25 GMT
#41
On March 26 2005 14:52 -PhiL- wrote:
Positions in TvP on Nostalgia are pretty important! If you get 2 supplies to make the terrain completely safe, you can expand and the toss has 100% lose if he doesnt go carrier..



Ok, thats cool! Thanks for the advice!
RedMeat
Profile Joined September 2002
United Kingdom490 Posts
April 06 2005 07:00 GMT
#42
Rofl, you really should listen to good players rather than people called Phil :p.
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akaDave
Profile Joined March 2005
111 Posts
April 06 2005 09:05 GMT
#43
cloaked wraith with medics to blind observers and science vessels too emp nexus for nuke, then expand
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GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
April 06 2005 09:53 GMT
#44
haha the "then expand" at the end made it funny
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ToSsToRm
Profile Joined November 2004
Canada191 Posts
April 06 2005 10:24 GMT
#45
intotheclan
try to take the middle with the gosu terran.. if u build there depots and turrets wise and you have good vulture and tank control you simpley must avoid the toss to expand and expand yourself.. But thats all pretty easy to say.. and hard to play..

I couldn't disagree more, building in the middle is idiotic.. Im' a toss myself and if I saw a terran building in the middle I would circle around using the small ramp path from the closest gas expo. it's pretty tough, but if I were you try to harass alot with dropship while taking a gas expo first; I've gotten beat twice like that on nost.
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striker
Profile Joined August 2004
France51 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-04-25 12:14:22
April 25 2005 12:11 GMT
#46
FAST GAS >ALL on nostalgia
I just tried an idea saw on korean vod and i adapated it to me : i usually fast gas on nostalgia ( i mean i gas just before the baracks) then i fast expand, second factory , u have then 2 facts tanks, as soon ass u have about 5 tanks 2 more factos make rspeed mines and produce 4 facto vulture till uhave about 7/8tanks ( which is very unexpected by the toss o n this map cause of the lack of gas )7/8 vults : go + 4vcs and push (It sreally quite fast and u willpush with 7 tanks when most of toss will have only les than 8 goon and starting b3).Then u ar eable to own th emidlle , ormaybe better u are just afte rhis bridge .
ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
April 26 2005 01:05 GMT
#47
Actually a 2 fact, 3 tank 4 vult siege mine 3 marine 3 scv push is pretty strong on this map, especially if Toss tries to take his expansion quickly. You can use the bridges to your advantage, as it becomes inexpedient for Toss to try to attack a tank on one bridge while being shot at by one diagonally placed on the other. If he doesn't try to take his nat, then you have to watch out for a shuttle, as this would be the most dangerous counter to a quick containment on his main.

In short, you want to prevent toss from being able to dominate the middle. Place mines at all the expansions, use bunkers on rushes, if it gets to 1 base vs 1 base go 4 factory 2 addon (Nostalgia main has 9 mineral piles, or 1500 more minerals than a main on LT. This plays a large factor in determining builds)

Unless I'm playing someone who is significantly better than I am, I rarely lose TvP on this map. If anyone wants some reps or pointers, feel free to PM me ( = I don't claim to be great, but I understand the game a lot better than I play it.
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
April 26 2005 09:56 GMT
#48
On April 06 2005 18:05 akaDave wrote:
cloaked wraith with medics to blind observers and science vessels too emp nexus for nuke, then expand


lol
Holorin
Profile Joined April 2005
France227 Posts
April 28 2005 03:43 GMT
#49
you seem to forget that vulture is farther than goon.
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