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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 11 2010 06:20 GMT
#101
Yea, it's gonna be a while before you start getting on your winning streak. ICCUP is quite high standard for a new player even at D level. Especially with all the smurfs floating around.

Focus on macro. Macro wins games in droves at low levels. Just get in the habit of always constantly have something building in your production facilities no matter what. And try to keep your mineral count below 1k. If you see it going up really high, but you're producing stuff well then add more production facilities. You can never have too many! (until you get to higher level anyways x])
Raz0r
Profile Joined September 2008
United States287 Posts
March 11 2010 07:02 GMT
#102
I'm happy to see you've seen the light lol jk... just one tip from me is don't get discouraged when you lose, because sc can be a very frustrating game if you lose your cool and makes a lot of ppl angry cuz you put so much effort and trying to do everything right and you want to play a straight up long standard macro game and the guy cheeses you stomping your efforts. so just keep cool and keep playing and enjoy!
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-11 07:31:36
March 11 2010 07:25 GMT
#103
Yeah definitely trying to not get discouraged.
Day9 videos really cheered me up.
I liked something he said, he said you should not feel bad when you see you have a big issue, instead be glad you know exactly what to work on. Man is a genius, love the guy (no homo).

With that said I am beginning to think that Although i want to stick to my original idea of playing all races and learning a build at a time, i wont be skipping around from race to race. Ill learn a build for all matches as protoss for example. then move on to terran or zerg etc... Just dont know which one to begin with cuz they all soo fun to play?

I do have another question. It is clear to me that in sc you need to basically hotkey all the way to 9 or 0. Listening to D9 hes talking about going 5sz 6sz 7zs etc... For 5 and 6 im fine but once it gets up there im debating whether you are supposed to quickly move your right hand and use it for the numbers... or just use left hand and click Select larva for example and then hit Z.
thoughts????

Edit:

Another issue im going to have to learn to resolve is time management. I live with my gf and shes getting a lil annoyed of the time im spending on the computer.
And I do waste sometime just sort of doing alot of nothing....gotta buckel down.
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
March 11 2010 08:04 GMT
#104
For using the higher number hotkeys it's just a matter of learning how to use your hand. zerg macro can easily be done once you are comfortable with the motions. Look at progamer hands while they warm up or during a game and see how the hand can be used.

Also I think T and P are the most fun, but I think I have a natural hatred against zerg xD
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
hefty
Profile Joined January 2005
Denmark555 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-11 09:14:21
March 11 2010 09:08 GMT
#105
On March 11 2010 16:25 heaven- wrote:
Day9 videos really cheered me up.
I liked something he said, he said you should not feel bad when you see you have a big issue, instead be glad you know exactly what to work on. Man is a genius, love the guy (no homo).


day9 is amazing.

On March 11 2010 16:25 heaven- wrote:(...)For 5 and 6 im fine but once it gets up there im debating whether you are supposed to quickly move your right hand and use it for the numbers... or just use left hand and click Select larva for example and then hit Z.


Neither. Don't ever release your mouse - the left hand is for key management. But also, don't get accustomed to click-build/research things. You need to learn them hot keys! Actually, you should be this anal about it - whenever you find yourself clicking to do a research or build a unit/building, stop to check out its hot key and use that instead. It will be hard to do at first, but it will serve you well in the long run.

I believe most zergs use like 1-4 for units and 5+ for hatches. 5sz6sz7sz8sz etc shouldn't be to hard to get the hang on, and it's more important anyway to be able to 1a2a3a4a fast. That is - while macroing is certainly your main focus, a zerg army that doesn't attack all at once but one group at a time is a wasted army.

On March 11 2010 16:25 heaven- wrote:
Another issue im going to have to learn to resolve is time management. I live with my gf and shes getting a lil annoyed of the time im spending on the computer.
And I do waste sometime just sort of doing alot of nothing....gotta buckel down.


I guess this could actually be a good thing. I know very well how easy it is to jsut sit around and waste time. Try to be efficient when sitting down to practice - get in a routine of maybe checking your thread here at tl.net and then go game/watch reps to learn. Try to get motivated and psyched before setting down so you are ready to go right into the fray. You may end up doing a lot more than someone sitting in his own apartment without a hissy gf around. =)
7h30n
Profile Joined March 2010
Croatia120 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-11 19:54:09
March 11 2010 18:30 GMT
#106
Hello.

I've been playing Starcraft ever since it came out. But! But, I played only singleplayer, and only recently I've started playing it over battle net and with my friends. (While we wait for StarCraft 2).

I hope you don't mind me hijacking this thread, but I need help (how obvious)

I'll upload replays of me and my friend playing,
and ask you if you could watch it and reflect on it, please.

I main Zerg and want to get better with them. I've read topics that are recommended and also things on liquipedia. I usually go with 3 hatch muta, but my Terran friend managed to beat me with the build order shown in replay.

Here are the rared replays: [url blocked]

Edit: I finally found the "New topic" button only to be stopped by the 3 day 'trial' before I can post new topics.

Since, obviously you are really dedicated StarCraft players, and dedicate whole threads to one person in order to help him, if my post is in the way of helping heaven, mods can move it to a new thread.
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
March 11 2010 18:51 GMT
#107
lol i was so psyched about coming home to some sc that i forgot where i parked at my college... so im like "oh noes sc!"
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
March 11 2010 19:40 GMT
#108
On March 11 2010 18:08 hefty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 16:25 heaven- wrote:
Day9 videos really cheered me up.
I liked something he said, he said you should not feel bad when you see you have a big issue, instead be glad you know exactly what to work on. Man is a genius, love the guy (no homo).


day9 is amazing.

Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 16:25 heaven- wrote:(...)For 5 and 6 im fine but once it gets up there im debating whether you are supposed to quickly move your right hand and use it for the numbers... or just use left hand and click Select larva for example and then hit Z.


Neither. Don't ever release your mouse


This is not good advice imo, there's nothing wrong with leaving your mouse to macro with both hands. Pro gamers do it too.
And I mean why not, ur not going to do anything with your mouse while you 5sh6sh7sh8sh9sh anyways so you might as well speed up the process by using both hands.

beep boop
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
March 11 2010 22:56 GMT
#109
Dont' worry if you are uncomfortable with all the keys.

Jaedong is a beast and he only uses 7 hotkeys =D

(Though most use them all or up to 9)
Jaedong :3
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
March 12 2010 00:33 GMT
#110
getting the hang of a couple of builds now.

Really realizing how unforgiving this game is.

If you are like 30 second you can lose the game.

<3
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
March 12 2010 03:13 GMT
#111
On March 12 2010 09:33 heaven- wrote:
getting the hang of a couple of builds now.

Really realizing how unforgiving this game is.

If you are like 30 second you can lose the game.

<3

Yeah, even at like D level one mistake can cost you the game
Dota 3hard5me
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-12 05:30:13
March 12 2010 05:29 GMT
#112
Well day 2 ends with a 1-9 Record I didnt play as much cuz i spent alot practicing build vs computer.

Still getting ass raped .

I need some Day9 now to cheer me up.
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-12 05:34:24
March 12 2010 05:33 GMT
#113
Better than my first games :D my first ~100 games were all losses T_T lol
mass game at this rate U'll be c- in no time :D


I fail at typing on my
iPod
Dota 3hard5me
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
March 12 2010 05:43 GMT
#114
Thanks for the support :D
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
March 12 2010 06:39 GMT
#115
On March 12 2010 14:43 heaven- wrote:
Thanks for the support :D

Just keep at it man. You're improving more than you can feel right now.
May the BeSt man win.
zomgzergrush
Profile Joined August 2008
United States923 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-12 19:32:19
March 12 2010 19:16 GMT
#116
I'm glad relatively unbiased eyes see SC as a more intricate venture than war3 :D. Not sure if someone's mentioned it, but I'd also recommend you start watching some good ol day9 daily in your spare time:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104154

He's pretty much the foremost god of information in regards to sc2. I don't really know of anyone else that's been in the biz longer or more helpful/concise than he.

Careful on youtube with game commentators, though, not everyone knows what they're talking about.


EDIT: I'm retarded and someone already suggested day9 I guess.

Getting raped repeatedly is good as long as you're learning from it. Watch replays of your losses and try to find out what went wrong. It may be frustrating but it's a very important part of the process. Many of my newbie friends react be constantly grinding games and not knowing why they're losing and not getting very much better as a result. I was fortunate enough to have a buddy to talk to during the learning process (randomko_orean is my roomie) so I had quite a leg up in the treacherous beginnings, perhaps you may know someone that knows a thing or two about sc. Keep up the good work staying in touch with the community!

If getting raped repeatedly is discouraging you, I'd recommend (for now) you start to settle down on one race that you feel you have a preference for right now.

i.e. spend a good amount of time playing exclusively one race, get a good feel of it, get builds down and the MU's down, and then move on to another race when you're comfortable. Perhaps the next race you play being the one you are doing the best against with your current race, etc.

It is extremely difficult to learn all 3 races at once IMO because you don't get any repetition.
Bronze skipping straight to Diamond in 40 games retail release. Bnet 2.0 ladder really takes it's sweet time to think about that league placement.
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
March 12 2010 22:45 GMT
#117
Here we go about to begin day 3 of my Sc adventure! :O

I decided to really focus on my build of PVZ for now. Gonna probably spend a couple of hours just working on the build again and again then try to play some zergs see how it goes.

But first, while i eat I'm gonna watch a d9 thingy.
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
zomgzergrush
Profile Joined August 2008
United States923 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-12 23:09:43
March 12 2010 23:02 GMT
#118
Concentrating on one matchup first, even better.

IMO, P by nature is the most forgiving race for noobs to start out with, good choice.

PvZ also happens to be THE most epic mu in the game

I'm not biased I swear...
Bronze skipping straight to Diamond in 40 games retail release. Bnet 2.0 ladder really takes it's sweet time to think about that league placement.
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
March 12 2010 23:26 GMT
#119
:D
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 13 2010 00:36 GMT
#120
Hey I know this is your 'help me' strategy thread and all but posting just a smiley face really isn't acceptable around here
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
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