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heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
March 13 2010 00:42 GMT
#121
oh, My apologies. Had no idea there were rules against smileys.

But what better convey how excited I am atm :D.

The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 13 2010 00:51 GMT
#122
Posting a smiley face is just fine, here look I'll do it too so you don't feel self-conscious :D

We expect a little more out of an individual post, though.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
March 13 2010 16:25 GMT
#123
On March 13 2010 08:02 zomgzergrush wrote:
Concentrating on one matchup first, even better.

IMO, P by nature is the most forgiving race for noobs to start out with, good choice.

PvZ also happens to be THE most epic mu in the game

I'm not biased I swear...


buuuut I'm not EXACTLY sure but once you get around the C~ ranks P start having quite a hard time, sair reaver and those builds take LOTS of apm. I've heard of people talking about switching races then, it's hard as T takes a lot of positioning and army management and Zerg macro is with hatcheries everywhere.
Dota 3hard5me
Drums
Profile Joined February 2009
United States35 Posts
March 13 2010 19:11 GMT
#124
On March 09 2010 17:32 heaven- wrote:
REHABILITATED* (sorry it was like 3 AM ;p)

First of all I'd like to apologize in advanced if I am posting this in the wrong spot.

Hello I am completely new to sc...... weird enough too as I have played wc3 for 4 years and some wc2 before then.

But anyway I want to start by saying that I am soooo amazed by 2 things in sc.

1. The depth of the game it self, even with the tiny bit of knowledge I have gotten from this game i can say that this game is easily 10x more complex and deep than wc3.

2. The community support. It is huge, 1000x bigger than wc3's. This website is amazing there is so many resources and knowledge its incredible. And looks like i picked up the game at a perfect time too, got to watch my first sc vods and they were the TSL. So nice.

I am not even going to begin with the "Im new what do I dew" question because there is just so many resources available on this site. Its just great!

Anyway my goal is to get decently good at this game. So if you have any suggestions I would love all the help i can get. I have been reading liquipedia and watching vods and some replays already.

This is my plan of action and I'd love some feedback on what you think. if its a good idea or not.
I really don't want to pick a permanent race at the moment as i want to have a broader view of the game. But this is the way i see it.

There is a total of 6 match ups in this game (mirrors included), but 9 match ups to learn (i.e TvsP, PvsT). From what I have seen there is almost endless amounts of strats to do per match up. I mean if you just look at build orders on liquipedia there is like 8 builds per match up. So that already seems very overwhelming(in wc3 there is like 1 build per match up, and if you are orc 1 build period haha).
So my plan is basically to take it a step at a time and sort of learn 2 basic strats per match but learn 1 and 1/2 at a time. Let me explain the 1/2.
For example I want to start with learning ZvsT build 2/3 Hatch muta (getting some of the lingo down ! ) . So spend time learning the strat perfecting etc... that is taking care of 1, but also i feel like i'll be half learning some TvsZ. Then I would move on to learning PvsZ a build there etc... Sort of knocking it down 1 match up at a time. At the same time working on the mechanics.
(This is the technique i used to learn to play the piano. Took it one song at a time till i perfected a song moved on to a different chord etc feel like it was a faster way to learn the instrument than what i did to learn the violin which was a much broader learn a lil of everything at once approach..)

After that i suppose the next step would be to chose a race and further improve on what I have already learned.

Let me know what you guys think.

I do have one question, How ambitious is it to say that I hope to be Rank D+/C- iccup Within 6 months. Is it crazy? or achievable? What about C? I know it would probably be easier if i stick to one race but I am weird like that and I refuse to do it! .

Anyway sorry for the long long post, any suggestions advice anything is appreciated. Thanks in advanced!!







Hi Im a C/C- terran and protoss user. im also a leader of team [FuN]. we help new guys like you out all the time. op [FuN] on iccup. we also have vent. pm me for vent info if you ever want to come on and game with us.Our biggest success was Blade[FuN] started 2 seasons ago. he came from one of those other gay games lol no offense, i think it was something with germans or some shit. anyways. he Got 4789 points his second season of iccup and high D+ his first. Fortunetly for him he also got a sc2 beta key lol lucky kid. anyways com on by sometime we will game
why do i suck so bad?
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
March 14 2010 00:08 GMT
#125
That sounds great Drums.

my iccup account is Negato

and my msn: Yeah_f_u2@hotmail.com

I just got back from work, imma eat dinner and brb. Time to start up some SC!
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
aznboi918
Profile Joined February 2010
United States70 Posts
March 14 2010 03:51 GMT
#126
K well i doubt you'll hit C any time soon but you should learn the races and as soon as you seem to be good at 1 of the 3 start focusing more attention on that race :D.
"I want to share my bloody tears with those who cry because the road they chose was too difficult, or those that gave up their dreams to take the road that was a little easier." (Lim Yo Hwan)
Raydog
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States632 Posts
March 14 2010 03:55 GMT
#127
On March 14 2010 04:11 Drums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2010 17:32 heaven- wrote:
REHABILITATED* (sorry it was like 3 AM ;p)

First of all I'd like to apologize in advanced if I am posting this in the wrong spot.

Hello I am completely new to sc...... weird enough too as I have played wc3 for 4 years and some wc2 before then.

But anyway I want to start by saying that I am soooo amazed by 2 things in sc.

1. The depth of the game it self, even with the tiny bit of knowledge I have gotten from this game i can say that this game is easily 10x more complex and deep than wc3.

2. The community support. It is huge, 1000x bigger than wc3's. This website is amazing there is so many resources and knowledge its incredible. And looks like i picked up the game at a perfect time too, got to watch my first sc vods and they were the TSL. So nice.

I am not even going to begin with the "Im new what do I dew" question because there is just so many resources available on this site. Its just great!

Anyway my goal is to get decently good at this game. So if you have any suggestions I would love all the help i can get. I have been reading liquipedia and watching vods and some replays already.

This is my plan of action and I'd love some feedback on what you think. if its a good idea or not.
I really don't want to pick a permanent race at the moment as i want to have a broader view of the game. But this is the way i see it.

There is a total of 6 match ups in this game (mirrors included), but 9 match ups to learn (i.e TvsP, PvsT). From what I have seen there is almost endless amounts of strats to do per match up. I mean if you just look at build orders on liquipedia there is like 8 builds per match up. So that already seems very overwhelming(in wc3 there is like 1 build per match up, and if you are orc 1 build period haha).
So my plan is basically to take it a step at a time and sort of learn 2 basic strats per match but learn 1 and 1/2 at a time. Let me explain the 1/2.
For example I want to start with learning ZvsT build 2/3 Hatch muta (getting some of the lingo down ! ) . So spend time learning the strat perfecting etc... that is taking care of 1, but also i feel like i'll be half learning some TvsZ. Then I would move on to learning PvsZ a build there etc... Sort of knocking it down 1 match up at a time. At the same time working on the mechanics.
(This is the technique i used to learn to play the piano. Took it one song at a time till i perfected a song moved on to a different chord etc feel like it was a faster way to learn the instrument than what i did to learn the violin which was a much broader learn a lil of everything at once approach..)

After that i suppose the next step would be to chose a race and further improve on what I have already learned.

Let me know what you guys think.

I do have one question, How ambitious is it to say that I hope to be Rank D+/C- iccup Within 6 months. Is it crazy? or achievable? What about C? I know it would probably be easier if i stick to one race but I am weird like that and I refuse to do it! .

Anyway sorry for the long long post, any suggestions advice anything is appreciated. Thanks in advanced!!







Hi Im a C/C- terran and protoss user. im also a leader of team [FuN]. we help new guys like you out all the time. op [FuN] on iccup. we also have vent. pm me for vent info if you ever want to come on and game with us.Our biggest success was Blade[FuN] started 2 seasons ago. he came from one of those other gay games lol no offense, i think it was something with germans or some shit. anyways. he Got 4789 points his second season of iccup and high D+ his first. Fortunetly for him he also got a sc2 beta key lol lucky kid. anyways com on by sometime we will game


i sent you a pm too
Shew
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
March 14 2010 19:04 GMT
#128
bah, wanted to play sc today but wc3 clan war today... vs a ridiculously strong team we have probably no chance against but oh well gotta try.


kod ftw.

then back to sc! rawr.
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
AntiHack
Profile Joined January 2009
Switzerland553 Posts
March 14 2010 23:50 GMT
#129
I suggest to you to start learning game mechanic having fun (better with friends).
Start sc learning BOs will be boring and frustrating after some days then you just change game ^^
"I am very tired of your grammar errors" - Zoler[MB]
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
March 15 2010 17:27 GMT
#130
if i get discouraged i watch day9 or a rep and my motivation sky rockets again :D
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-15 19:46:55
March 15 2010 18:37 GMT
#131
i hate in toss mirror (at this level at least) how the guy that sits and hides at his base is usually the winner. i hate that type of playstyle. just sit there and turtle

Its just easier to defend a ramp and micro/macro right next to your base than to push out.

><

Still suffering from terrible macro.
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
March 15 2010 19:57 GMT
#132
Hey heaven, I'm getting on soonish and I'm not great, but I'm not terrible. I can play any race decently while I'm better at P, but everything needs work on my end too. So....add N3rV[420] and taco420

I pop in and out a lot
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1982 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-15 20:18:25
March 15 2010 20:11 GMT
#133
On March 16 2010 03:37 heaven- wrote:
i hate in toss mirror (at this level at least) how the guy that sits and hides at his base is usually the winner. i hate that type of playstyle. just sit there and turtle

Its just easier to defend a ramp and micro/macro right next to your base than to push out.

><

Still suffering from terrible macro.


When they turtle, set up a contain and then outmacro them by taking another expansion. If you're having trouble doing this on a map like Python, try it on Destination first: the double-bridges makes it VERY hard for a turtling Toss player to break the contain due to needing to funnel their units across. It basically forces them into a harrass-orientated play. if you keep adequate defences at your expansions, say a cannon or two (which is fine if you have the base advantage), their harrass won't work all that well.
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
March 16 2010 05:11 GMT
#134
lol just played a guy who felt extremely proud that he beat me by pretending to be D-

Kind of funny how close the game was, I would have been embarrassed not proud that i almost lost to a guy who's played for 4 days.

"hahaha im no D- hahah"

ok

:D
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
March 16 2010 18:40 GMT
#135
Man, I keep jumping between D- and D.

So rough

My friend got C- in like 3 months.

My goal was 6... i wonder how he did it.

Even more, i wonder how Zenio got A- in a year :O


I wonder what Day9 would say?

The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
March 16 2010 20:37 GMT
#136
On March 17 2010 03:40 heaven- wrote:
Man, I keep jumping between D- and D.

So rough

My friend got C- in like 3 months.

My goal was 6... i wonder how he did it.

Even more, i wonder how Zenio got A- in a year :O


I wonder what Day9 would say?


I hope I'm not just an idiot but who's Zenio? Also often people just make new accounts or smurfs so if you're looking at their profile on iCCup it may not be correct.
Dota 3hard5me
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
March 16 2010 21:21 GMT
#137
1. The depth of the game it self, even with the tiny bit of knowledge I have gotten from this game i can say that this game is easily 10x more complex and deep than wc3.

YES YESSSSSSSSSSSSS <3
HE UNDERSTANDS!
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theramstoss
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada242 Posts
March 16 2010 22:31 GMT
#138
Just curious, don't you have any school work to do?
quote? what quote?
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1982 Posts
March 16 2010 22:47 GMT
#139
On March 17 2010 05:37 Nub4ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 03:40 heaven- wrote:
Man, I keep jumping between D- and D.

So rough

My friend got C- in like 3 months.

My goal was 6... i wonder how he did it.

Even more, i wonder how Zenio got A- in a year :O


I wonder what Day9 would say?


I hope I'm not just an idiot but who's Zenio? Also often people just make new accounts or smurfs so if you're looking at their profile on iCCup it may not be correct.


Zenio is an ex-WC3 progamer if I remember right.
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-17 03:02:40
March 17 2010 02:59 GMT
#140
On March 17 2010 07:31 theramstoss wrote:
Just curious, don't you have any school work to do?


yeah thats exactly why i have like 2 hours if that a day.

i go to school in morning then work till night, i play at night. tho its spring break right now...


:D


Zenio wasn't exactly a pro-gamer.
he didnt get paid i dont think. He was an orc player, who played for a Chinese team called eXpertise.

He was a decent orc player. Did not get much done tho, couple of league wins here and there.
Assuming he never played sc before ( which he probably did, since he is Korean)
getting A- in a year is pretty good.
Even if he started as D+/C player already still good. I dare say C+ even.


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