What's the best way to handle a 1 hatch lurk as Terran? I've been having trouble with it (on LT). Should I just do regular m&m with a bunk? I've been trying no gas pump rines till about 8 of em and go attack with 12 scvs and rines but that hasnt been working -_-. I feel like theres some way the Z can be punished for such a fast tech but I can't pull it off. Tips?

Commander{+}

United States2878 Posts

February 21 2004 08:44 GMT

bunker on ramp, 2-3 tanks with siege, move out, take expo, drop harass, and just play normally.

Schwarzenegger 08

343 Posts

February 21 2004 09:24 GMT

academy and gas very early and M&M rush him before he gets the lurks. If you are late, just camp M&M outside of his base and dont let him leave.

comabreaded

United States2166 Posts

February 21 2004 10:10 GMT

The time I have the most trouble with it is when the Zerg goes 12 pool, 11 gas (or something), 8 lings and starts lair as soon as they get 100 gas then puts down hatch 2 and den sometime after. I've always gone acad before fac in this situation and it doesnt leave me with enuff m&m to move out on the Zerg in time. So I think I'll try Commander's approach or a less aggressive m&m strategy.

SillyCat

United States960 Posts

February 21 2004 10:21 GMT

or learn to micro your rines!

Taguchi

Greece1575 Posts

February 21 2004 10:26 GMT

8rax with constant marines and 2nd rax right after first and academy and gas at same time(academy slightly before) gives you mm before lurks hatch and enough marines to kill a sunken, unless its on a cliff. But scv count is like 11 or 12, you dont have money for more, and its risky, but usually it pays off.
Against 9pool its better actually, against 12pool u'll need the micro since he'll have lings and you wont have bats with that first mm army

comabreaded

United States2166 Posts

February 21 2004 11:18 GMT

SillyCat: yea, I think my execution has been partly the problem, too.

That sounds kinda risky Taguchi..hmm.. Anyone have a rep or a link to a rep showing a successful Terran stoping 1 hatch lurk?

Zoom

1111 Posts

February 21 2004 11:33 GMT

fast tanks

amat

United States1788 Posts

February 21 2004 19:21 GMT

I hate to give advice to terran, but... bleh...

When I 1 hat, the thing that works best vs me is a few rines/many scv no manner assault. Sounds stupid, but it works. 1 hat can't support enough lings to hold that (assuming the terran doesn't suck).

The other best strat is to play very safe. Stay in base, defend drop and power. Your 1 base will beat his 1 base if you show patience.

surv

Belgium337 Posts

February 21 2004 19:49 GMT

#10

mech him. Use spider mines. Tech to vessel. 1 tank is enough.

Taguchi

Greece1575 Posts

February 21 2004 20:05 GMT

#11

http://www.wgtour.com/upload/tournament/broodwar/2792vs_kashu_2-0.rep

It's a link to what I say... There the z got speed before lair, but even without it you'd arrive at his base with meds at most when eggs start to hatch, maybe a bit before so you can get it...

SoMuchBetter

Australia10606 Posts

February 21 2004 20:37 GMT

#12

zerg can be punished by dropship harass

just remember to put a bunker + turret at your ramp before he attacks with lurkers and get marine range before stim, position all your other marines (in an arc around your ramp) so that he cant run up your ramp with his army without losing his entire army for naught. having a couple of scv to repair the bunker is good also if he is attacking it from below the ramp

Casper...

Liberia4948 Posts

February 21 2004 20:57 GMT

#13

most terran should make a bunker on ramp and have a unit patrol the edge of main.

from there it's easy.

ToKoreaWithLove

Norway10161 Posts

February 22 2004 00:01 GMT

#14

Like cas said, just put a bunker, something to deny his lurkers from running past it, and tech safely -> own.

Or just go 2 rax m&m if you are good with micro

surv

Belgium337 Posts

February 22 2004 02:24 GMT

#15

man when u say it like that i wanna learn tvz m&m

comabreaded

United States2166 Posts

February 22 2004 04:00 GMT

#16

I've been successful my last few games by usin a bunker and gettin a tank or two before movin out. Yeah, the zerg's 1 base leaves him fucked in econ after the lurks fail. thanks!

ToKoreaWithLove

Norway10161 Posts

February 22 2004 15:22 GMT

#17

On February 22 2004 11:24 surv wrote:
man when u say it like that i wanna learn tvz m&m

I'm here for practice mate

FroZZoR

China925 Posts

February 22 2004 15:49 GMT

#18

stop him from killing you
either fast acad before 3rd depot, move out with 2 firebat/2 medic, and try to delay
or go 1 rax mm/1 fact tank
basically don't die
then get a few tanks
attack when u have 1 vessel
they should have their expansion just finished, but not enough units to defend
you win

FreeZEternal

Korea (South)3396 Posts

February 22 2004 20:07 GMT

#19

Yeap

comabreaded

United States2166 Posts

February 23 2004 03:50 GMT

#20

Thx Froz. That was really helpful.

Vi)Chris

United States700 Posts

February 23 2004 03:54 GMT

#21

This is really easy to beat for me, it's basically an auto-win. Just go standard 10/12 rax but get your academy before 3rd depot. I sit out of their ramp with 8rines/4medics and just delay and micro the lurkers. By the time they get to your base the lurks are dead or you have tank/e-bay/bunk and mabye even vessal already. Then just 3rax/1fac/1port and attack and kill. The major key is just delay the lurkers from getting to your base and make sure you have bunker/comsat/turrets or the sort by the time they do. Many zergs 9pool to do this strat, so just use 4 scv's and make sure they don't get up your ramp or slow you down.

Waxangel

United States33586 Posts

February 23 2004 05:02 GMT

#22

blah, what is the 'standard' academy timing then o_O?

I've been making acad on 26 forever -_-

Klogon

MURICA15980 Posts

February 23 2004 14:27 GMT

#23

Hey wax, do you play as "waxangel" on b.net? Which server?

amat

United States1788 Posts

February 23 2004 19:55 GMT

#24

When asked kindly, Waxangel will join useast (op amat) on BW (or whatever channel sexy Malmis or toptalent is in). But, for the most part he is a TFT player now and uses a different name. His name is in my post somewhere, but I don't have permission to reveal it

If you have aim, amat201 knows all