in PvP? I find it with my mediocre control difficult to not lose some probes to the drop... and that sets me behind... I am unable to get into his base without doing a drop myself- so is that the counter? Just any other drop? Or is there some other way to beat it (I was going for a conservative 3 gate goon).

STIMEY d okgm fish

Canada6140 Posts

February 17 2004 03:16 GMT

3 gate goons is supposed to own 1 gate reaver hardcore. try keeping some goons defending the drop and go kill him. 3 gate goon's weakness is something like dt iirc

so if that sounds impossible to you, i think u need to get some micro help rather than strat

Josh124

United Kingdom145 Posts

February 17 2004 05:24 GMT

Hotkey your mining probes and move them as soon as you see the shuttle.

amat

United States1788 Posts

February 17 2004 09:01 GMT

You should be able to run him over with 2 gate zeal.

beanmachine

United States115 Posts

February 17 2004 09:47 GMT

On February 17 2004 18:01 amat wrote:
You should be able to run him over with 2 gate zeal.

No. Reaver is the COUNTER to zeal. Shuttle drops reaver, zeals run to reaver, reaver fires scarab, shuttle picks up reaver. Repeat. Several gates of Goons should work just fine, however. Keep three or four in your base and kill the shuttle if it comes to your base. Send the rest of your goons to his base and apply pressure. If a newbie like me can figure it out, it isn't rocket science.

amat

United States1788 Posts

February 17 2004 10:16 GMT

2 gate zeals will be in his base long before the reaver is out.

Klogon

MURICA15980 Posts

February 17 2004 10:22 GMT

Bean, that's only if you play like nr10. -_-

2 gate zeals should break anything he's got if he does a straight tech up with few units.

STIMEY d okgm fish

Canada6140 Posts

February 17 2004 11:09 GMT

if you 2 gate zeal someone who is teching make sure to start photoning him as soon as you can afford it. they will go dt or photon behind their buildings, photon beating both of those

surv

Belgium337 Posts

February 17 2004 15:53 GMT

If the positions are close in pvp u cant go 1 gate anyway.
On far positions u can do a 1 gate without losing to a 2 gate rush. This however if u pump up non stop zeals. But u see when both player scout eachoter and see 1 gate none of them will go zealrush. So it will be bot tech.
About 3 gate goon wihtout suportive tech: it sux and does NOT counter 1 gate/robo on Lost Temple. There are islands and clifs. There for u will actually lose to robo tech with 3 gate power. If ur tihnk that u can run into his base u are severely wrong. 1Gate/robo is not FORCED to drop. He can use the reavers for defending his ramp and get obsevers to scout you and adapt. After a while u cant stop him from expanding because the reaver/goon will rape ur 'many goons' and u will be forced to go robo anyway. There is another possibility tho. When u contained him with ur 3 gate u could take another main or ur min expansion (if its not open to being cliffed) Then however u will have to defend 3 places. Ur expansion, your main and ur containement. Therefore speed shutlle is so powerfull in these kinda situations imo.

Hautamaki

Canada1311 Posts

February 17 2004 17:00 GMT

#10

2 gate robotics will beat it, you can expand faster and still hold. Build your robotics close to your ramp and walk your reaver down it without shuttles.

1 gate robo is actually pretty weak. He doesn't get enough goons to do anything to you. If you stop his drop it's gg.

zdragon

United States150 Posts

February 18 2004 00:12 GMT

#11

OK- so any micro tricks for dealing w/ Reaver drops? Like do you guys scatter your probes or what? Would you have to constantly keep 3 goons next to your nexus?

Casper...

Liberia4948 Posts

February 18 2004 08:54 GMT

#12

zealot rush autoggkthx

Hautamaki

Canada1311 Posts

February 18 2004 11:14 GMT

#13

zdragon there is like nothing you 'always' do. Obviously you run your probes away from a reaver asap and not try to fight it, but that should be common sense. Other than that, you should know that if you want to actually stop a reaver drop you will need 4 goons for 1 reaver and 6 for 2 reavers. Where you keep them is up to you, but if you don't want to be reaver dropped successfully, thats what you need. Oh yah, and if it's not totally obvious, you focus on the reaver when its dropped and on the shuttle when its in the air. Ignore any other units like zealots or a dragoon.

FreeZEternal

Korea (South)3396 Posts

February 19 2004 20:49 GMT

#14

you don't need 4 goons for 1 reaver -_-;; only two goons -_-

GoSexyPerli

United States1072 Posts

February 20 2004 04:04 GMT

#15

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SpuniasauR

Australia1500 Posts

February 20 2004 19:07 GMT

#16

there was a thread about antireaver scv micro. basically.

use area hotkey (f2-f4) for ur natural (while ur got vision on it), when reaver comes grab 12 probes hit f2-f4 whichever u used and tracsfer em DOUBLE time... (keep a probe etc to see min line, on LT this should be easy cuz u can see from ledge in most places, AND CLICK ON MINERALS)
also 2-3 goons around ur min line usually deters reaver and gives u something to micro while u run ur probes

Carnac

Germany / USA16648 Posts

February 21 2004 00:04 GMT

#17

what do u mean with "transfer double time" ? i just don't get it

AutumnLight

Ukraine2488 Posts

February 21 2004 00:36 GMT

#18

you boost your apm artificially I guess

Carnac

Germany / USA16648 Posts

February 21 2004 00:40 GMT

#19

wow, that's cool, i only need some more things to do twice and i might become like nada.

Klogon

MURICA15980 Posts

February 21 2004 06:04 GMT

#20

On February 21 2004 09:04 Carnac wrote:
what do u mean with "transfer double time" ? i just don't get it

it means as soon as possible.

Casper...

Liberia4948 Posts

February 21 2004 22:30 GMT

#21

or you could just set your workers to hkeys 8 and 9 and scatter them

Hautamaki

Canada1311 Posts

February 22 2004 13:48 GMT

#22

if you have only 2 dragoons and he has a goon and a reaver you expect to hold? His reaver will get a shot or 2 at your probes for sure, and then their fate is out of your hands. Plus he'll definately kill your goons and make a clean getaway.

FreeZEternal

Korea (South)3396 Posts

February 22 2004 20:23 GMT

#23

reaver will try to shoot probe, but probes are going to exp mineral. scarabs follows and burst without killing anything while your two goons are shooting at reaver. one goon dies and the reaver dies, then your second goons dies to his goons and then you kill one goon with probe, while you counter with other goons

MadduX

United States515 Posts

February 24 2004 10:25 GMT

#24

keep the majority of your goons at the nexus and just a couple to hold ramp, if he drops reaver will die, if he goes front move your goons.

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

February 24 2004 13:05 GMT

#25

step one: attack move probes 5 seconds into the game
step two: go afk
step three: upon returning to a Defeat screen, claim you were hacked

hasuwar

7365 Posts

February 24 2004 18:20 GMT

#26

On February 23 2004 05:23 FreeZEternal wrote:
reaver will try to shoot probe, but probes are going to exp mineral. scarabs follows and burst without killing anything while your two goons are shooting at reaver. one goon dies and the reaver dies, then your second goons dies to his goons and then you kill one goon with probe, while you counter with other goons

That might work if you're lucky, but if he realizes a reaver and a goon beats 2 goons, and he decides just to rape those two goons..you might be in trouble :[ Any amount of reaver micro would kill that I think.. 2 shots for the first goon, and the other goon would probably only take 1 shot, since the other goon had been hitting it the whole time you're trying to target the reaver :[ (If you're smart enough to not have your goon shoot the same goon your reaver is shooting atleast)