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yoden
United States64 Posts
On January 21 2010 12:04 Mooncat wrote: Facing a 1/3 cheese and 2/3 anal rape player is probably every progamer's worst nightmare. This :X On January 21 2010 12:04 cas wrote: cuz he'd been putting down the bunker as a fake for 6 months. I love going 14 cc and doing this on iccup. I still lose though, because I can't control m&m :X | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
What? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
14cc means a late barrack,, so, by the time you're able to build a bunker at his hatchery, the hatchery would already be fully hatched with lings out | ||
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BAdGer_
United States80 Posts
as a general rule bunker rush > 12 hatch and =12 pool which is what most zergs do and thats besides for the psych war thingy Look at the circumstances. Flash vs Jaedong: Flash was already one game up. There is no reason why Flash shouldn't have done a really technical cheese. Should it work, will result in a 2-0 victory over a very good ZvT player. Flash vs Kwanro: OSL finals were like two days after this series. I don't think Flash put too much thought into this series and was probably quite lucky Kwanro went guardians twice, thus handing him easy victories. Flash vs Calm: MSL finals is in what? 3 days? Flash knew Calm wouldn't drone scout and would probably be going 12 hatch so he was pretty much certain the bunker rush would work. | ||
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Mauzel
United States421 Posts
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
On January 21 2010 12:36 thunk wrote: You completely miss the point in Flash's bunker rushes. You have to variate your builds in a series somewhat or else you're going to get 3-0'd. It's easy to prepare if you know what's coming. Flash can make bunker rushes very high probability builds if he prepared well enough, so it makes sense for him to be use them once or twice (or three times) if they're going to work. well,,,, here's what FLASH said in the recent interview after his series against kwanro: "I initially planned for three consecutive bunker rushes in the first three sets. I planned to do bunker rushes in the second and third set from a long time ago. I might have gone for a bunker rush in the first set if our positions were switched. My coach said that it would be extremely funny if I went for three bunker rushes in a row." yes, it's very possible to bunker rush consecutively. | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On January 21 2010 12:19 n.DieJokes wrote: Idk, bunker rush is stupid effective. It's single-handly the reason why I 12pool every game See, just the threat of bunker rush made zergs choose a economically worse build. | ||
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Ideas
United States8133 Posts
winners league is going to be so fucking cheesy | ||
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
On January 21 2010 12:52 T.O.P. wrote: See, just the threat of bunker rush made zergs choose a economically worse build. you zergs need to learn to scout | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8554 Posts
On January 21 2010 12:58 lazz wrote: You guys don't lose a worker for each building. I'm not actually advocating anything, just pointing out how stupid it is to compare minor things like this. yeah seriously zergs. us protoss and terrans send out a worker to scout. maybe you guys should too? *well this race is really strong in this certain scenario with this specific unit composition, they're imbalanced!* | ||
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kineSiS-
Korea (South)1068 Posts
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On January 21 2010 12:58 lazz wrote: yeah seriously zergs. us protoss and terrans send out a worker to scout. maybe you guys should too? Nope, that's stupid. I rather have a faster hatchery and a faster pool to defend against a bunker rush. | ||
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Jlab
United States217 Posts
On January 21 2010 13:03 kineSiS- wrote: Jaedong should 4 pool Flash and then shout, "Suck it!" The best is typing faggot and while the player is responding dropping all their bases. lol I think the main reason is that flash has the minerals when he FE to build a bunker, so why not build it at their natural. Or its just a really effevtive way to get ahead and piss off the other player. | ||
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BlackMesa
Kenya338 Posts
On January 21 2010 12:48 CapO wrote: well,,,, here's what FLASH said in the recent interview after his series against kwanro: "I initially planned for three consecutive bunker rushes in the first three sets. I planned to do bunker rushes in the second and third set from a long time ago. I might have gone for a bunker rush in the first set if our positions were switched. My coach said that it would be extremely funny if I went for three bunker rushes in a row." yes, it's very possible to bunker rush consecutively. Lol flash makes pro sc sound like a joke. It's like when boxer did it, but a lot less serious. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
Stopping bunker rushes has little to do with how you scout, I mean that's basic; you only not scout when you're 9 pooling. | ||
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RLTY
United States965 Posts
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NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
Even if the Bunker Rush fails, the Zerg is almost always behind anyway. And what I mean by failing a Bunker Rush, it's when you fail to kill the hatchery. Usually the Terran can just snipe a few drones and pull ahead. Losing a few SVCs is nothing compared to losing a few Drones at the start. On top of that it's so easy to do as a Terran, and so much harder to stop as a Zerg. Just look at Ret streaming, he loses like always when someone does a Bunker Rush on him. Even whe he scouts it coming. If that first Marine slips in, your almost done for, and if a second gets in, you can kiss your hatchery good bye most of the time. Also, 8rax if done in Natural / Main also defends against 4-5-9 pools quite handily. And if a Zerg goes 9pool, your economies should be similiar, no? | ||
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