EPTAlso, it seems that even with a superior army, the zerg can throw down 2-3 swarms and with a ultra crackling army decimate my entire force. Is the trick just to alawys have your stuff hotkeyed so that you can retreat. Also, this is hard because of the constant stream of mnm. How is the lategame army usually hotkeyed?
[Q] TvZ Lategame
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BlackMesa
Kenya338 Posts
Also, it seems that even with a superior army, the zerg can throw down 2-3 swarms and with a ultra crackling army decimate my entire force. Is the trick just to alawys have your stuff hotkeyed so that you can retreat. Also, this is hard because of the constant stream of mnm. How is the lategame army usually hotkeyed? | ||
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Tyrokomos
Greece43 Posts
TanK PlaY = 2 Base, 7 Rax, 1 Port, 1 Fac = tank & vessel micro Try to use dropships i try to expo when: - my push was strong - minerals in mainbase are low 1 medics 2 rines 3 rines 4 rines 5 vessels 6 rest 7 rest 1 medic 2 rines 3 rines 4 tanks 5 vessel 6 rest 7 rest on 2 Player maps, take your half and bunker with 3-0 masstanks and turrets use 5-6 factorys for that, cos you need to produce as fast as possible flash did that last week... | ||
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
Basicly a 3 base terran can support 7-9 rax, 2 ports + 1 fac making tanks. if your vessel cloud is going larger you can stop on 24/7 vessel production and add a total of 3 facs and transition back to a tank heavy force and prepare for a camp game were you use massed tanks mnm/vessel to slowly expand and wear zerg down. Fash vs calm game 3 I think for example shows how you should do this, FBH vs savior comes to my mind to were terran switches back to a tank heavy army when on 3 base and start defending his 4 basses after. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
You aren't supposed to have 2 factories producing tanks before hive this isn't 2006. Standard timing attack involves 1 factory producing tank. Stop tank production after consume is done and switch to 2 port. Take the 3rd after your timing attack moves out. What you do here depends on how they are playing hive and what map. If they are turtling and taking a 4th (what you seem to be asking), take your 4th immediately (the other main normally) and start throwing down factories. Continue to pump Vessels off 2 ports while massing tanks (if 2 mains facts at each main) and taking a 5th when possible. Until they get significant numbers of ultralisks out you still have map control so make sure they don't sneak in a 5th during this period, but once they do have a mass of ultralisks out you will generally have to retreat to the relative safety of your tanks. Your goal in this period is to make sure he can't drop you and that defilers never make their way across the map. Suicide vessels if need be to prevent this, but they can and will break you if they can swarm up at either base. Depending on your lead and map you can either push out when you get a significant amount of tanks and kill them, or turtle and take the remaining bases. Sometimes it isn't going to be possible to mass tanks due to a lack of available gases so you are going to have to stay on pure SK Terran and add a starport for each gas and more barracks. Again though the key is to send your vessels out ahead of your army when they don't have scourge (will have to scan incessantly) and wear down their ultras and kill defilers. You will probably end up having too many marines to really control them well but as long as they can't fight battles with defilers and full hp ultras you will be at a pretty good advantage. Since you will have 3-4 ports producing vessels you definitely can afford to suicide some in order to get those key irradiates off, and quite frankly it wouldn't be a bad idea either to invest in EMP for critical situations. Generally you want to remain out of reach of their army but within supporting distance of your vessels until their defilers are dead and ultras worn down, then attack in that timing window. Tank Heavy transition: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/34969_Calm_vs_Flash http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/25090_fantasy_vs_Jaedong Zero vs Flash Pure SK Terran: http://www.gomtv.net/videos/966 http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/34803_Flash_vs_HyuN | ||
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BlackMesa
Kenya338 Posts
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
Another thing I'd like to throw in is that if you're planning a late game transition, don't stop making SCV's. If you stop at 40-45, your economy late game will be too weak to keep up with 4 base zerg. So it's worth having a weaker timing push in order to have a much stronger late game. If you don't stop until you have around 65 you can make from 9 barracks 2 fac 2 port easily, and continue to add more Factory's as Ver said. ignore Tyrokomos's post, it contains more wrong information than useful stuff. | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
If you find yourself getting more MnM than you can hotkey (and you might), consolidate your bases with more MnM, and consider getting some firebats in the mix to negate lings (don't get too many though). Actively scan possible Zerg expos and send those extra rines out to take those expos down. On that note, while Flash vs Calm was a good example of late game TvZ play, I'd caution you against using that tank strategy too much. It's highly likely that the game will not reach that point in the first place. Most TvZs usually end before Terran ever has enough resources to devote to Tanks. Don't transition to tanks unless you have clear map control and at least 3 gas bases with a highly likely chance of grabbing a fourth (ex. you have taken the main and can easily take the natural). Any other transition to tanks is asking for trouble. Also note that Zerg can still be aggressive while they're taking their fourth through swarm pushes into either your natural or your third. Be very careful of that. | ||
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