• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:02
CEST 04:02
KST 11:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 20266Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 2026 Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners High level ptr replays? where can I find them?
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
Where is EffOrt? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
UK Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8075 users

9 hatch vs 10 hatch vs 12 hatch - Page 5

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1111 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-18 06:03:53
April 18 2024 06:03 GMT
#81
On April 18 2024 01:51 Peeano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2024 23:32 iopq wrote:
On April 17 2024 23:13 Peeano wrote:
Is there ever a scenario where it's worth mining to 500 and build both simultaneously? It would be really cool if all your data could be shown in a chart, including timings, larva amount, min/gas, etc.

Why wait to build the hatchery? You're losing larvae on the expansion

The whole point is to get the hatchery down as fast as possible, the closest is the 10 hatch 9 pool build I posted, you sacrifice the larvae to get the pool out ASAP, even faster than 9 hatch 9 pool because you got some extra mining in, but loses 6 seconds on the hatch timing

A chart is a good idea, I guess I could start from 4 pool and work my way up to the other builds

Waiting till 500 means later hatch, but faster pool timing.
How I see it is: pool before hatch, but the pool gets a bit delayed to get a faster hatch. Another way to view it: a delayed 12 hatch that can pump lings earlier to deal with a possible rush. Anyway, I was just wondering if you had explored it.

Years ago when I thought about maining Z, I remember toying around with openings. That's why I find this thread very interesting despite not playing BW anymore ^^


that one drone you're mining with is only mining ONE MINERAL PER SECOND since it's on the 9th best patch in your base

by delaying the hatch by 200 minerals, you're making it 20 seconds later to gain 2 seconds on the pool, so you lose a pair of lings just to get the other lings 2 seconds faster

10 hatch 9 pool delays the hatch by 7 seconds to give you a 2 seconds faster pool and even that I don't think is a good deal
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1111 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-17 11:43:33
May 17 2024 11:40 GMT
#82
12 hatch has enough minerals to make a hatch at 1:36, third hatch at 13 at 2:11 or so, pool at 12 at 2:27, gas at 2:32 and you won't be larva blocked at any point

11 hatch has enough minerals at 1:31. third hatch at 2:12, pool at 2:27, gas at 2:32 with only split second difference due to the mining of the extra drone

there's no reason to go 12 hatch ever, unless you messed up your build

delaying your hatchery by 5 seconds means you permanently get behind in drones compared to an 11 hatch with almost no difference to your other timings otherwise

https://repmastered.app/game/PleKsZyWdmDmEB0XSwNFUcOh3A_2SbgC1Mzrn1qe61w

I accidentally made an extra drone, but just ignore my build mistake
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1111 Posts
June 23 2024 18:02 GMT
#83


Here's a full explanation for the math behind 12 hatch
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1111 Posts
July 06 2024 23:13 GMT
#84
So for ZvZ I have been going 9 hatch 10 pool

but 10 hatch 9 pool has a faster pool/gas at the cost to the hatch timing of like 6-7 seconds with a similar block, I'll have to try it out since the 9h10p is a really close hold vs. 9p and a straight up loss vs. 5 pool
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
July 07 2024 06:46 GMT
#85
On July 07 2024 08:13 iopq wrote:
really close hold vs. 9p and a straight up loss vs. 5 pool

You sure you're not playing PvZ?
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1111 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-06 03:15:14
October 06 2025 02:59 GMT
#86
So I just tested 9 hatch vs. Terran

the correct build is something like:

9 hatch (1:12)
9 gas (doesn't matter, we're not mining it until later)
10 pool (2:05)
mine gas 25 seconds later (before 2:35 to get exactly 100 gas)
16 2:55 Lair

basically, everything is delayed 7 seconds to get 12 seconds more larva production (almost one more drone)
you catch up in minerals by the time you get to ordering your third hatchery at around ~23 supply
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1111 Posts
October 06 2025 03:52 GMT
#87
I also tested 9 hatch vs. 10 hatch for the early zergling build in ZvZ

it turns out since you still get larva blocked at 10 hatch later (if you go for early gas) 9 pool with 1:12 hatch and 20 sec block is actually better because you just get the lings from the second hatchery faster

my final build is

9 hatch
9 pool
9 gas
8 overlord
drone to 9

3 sets of lings from the initial hatchery
speed
2 sets from the expansion hatchery at the same time
overlord at main base if you you're not already defending vs lings
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
Mid Season Playoffs
ByuN vs Shameless
CranKy Ducklings120
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 151
ProTech89
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 4246
GuemChi 3633
Artosis 582
Sexy 26
Noble 13
Mind 8
Dota 2
monkeys_forever600
NeuroSwarm131
League of Legends
JimRising 590
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox449
Other Games
summit1g12247
Day[9].tv1048
shahzam755
C9.Mang0540
PiGStarcraft452
FrodaN250
Trikslyr130
Maynarde106
ROOTCatZ83
JuggernautJason24
WinterStarcraft16
minikerr6
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick786
BasetradeTV162
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 99
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP36
• Mapu4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Day9tv1048
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
21h 58m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
GSL
4 days
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Reynor
herO vs Lambo
Solar vs Clem
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
4 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL
5 days
Patches Events
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
5 days
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-15
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.