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On October 16 2009 14:54 Gnarly wrote:



You are retarded. You must be.

Am I wasting templar energy? I could be killing units, but could completely fuck up the storms. I may not even get to. With hallucination, I don't need to bring in the HTs as they will have done their job for now. I know for a fact that I get to use the spell as they won't see any battle. It can also greatly increase the size of your army and could COMPLETELY negate an attack, over having to attack and possibly losing.

The goal of hallucination is not to win, but allow me to make the other player make more decisions, and to allow me to fully use the race which is more fun, over needing to win every single game.

Also, if you read in what I wrote, I talk of cannons, needing them, and how I will be adding gates in my transition to ALLOW for a late robo. You just completely said what I said.

Get out.

And to Nevuk:
I think better players would be able to effectively aggressively and defensively hallucination. Inexperienced players would probably try to storm the hallucinations units, probably checking first, wasting valuable micro time, ignoring the fact that his reinforcement/ retreat path has been cut off, not transferring probes and forgetting pylons and tech and whatnot. Why does this suck? Even if a player knew what to do, it's still not something that's easy because you can't detect it. You can only see what you actually see, and you can easily see HT, where they are going to storm, and able to dance before the storm.

On October 16 2009 15:38 Gnarly wrote:
If they see blue smoke, they know there's hallucinated units in there, yes. But they don't know which ones. They can find out by killing them, and that's what I want. Them not killing the real units so that my real units can kill them. This also makes it easier to focus fires since concentrating on the shots of my goons with that many and then moving the right units would take too much and screw him over in the long run, as opposed to just falling back, or being a boss. Not everyone gets to be a boss, though.

On October 16 2009 15:38 Gnarly wrote:
I would also not allow for my units to be clumped. That's just asking for a storm. So the effectiveness of his storms would be reduced.

On October 16 2009 13:04 Gnarly wrote:
I consider myself quite the tactician, I like to play chess quite a bit.

On October 16 2009 14:54 Gnarly wrote:



You are retarded. You must be.

Am I wasting templar energy? I could be killing units, but could completely fuck up the storms. I may not even get to. With hallucination, I don't need to bring in the HTs as they will have done their job for now. I know for a fact that I get to use the spell as they won't see any battle. It can also greatly increase the size of your army and could COMPLETELY negate an attack, over having to attack and possibly losing.

The goal of hallucination is not to win, but allow me to make the other player make more decisions, and to allow me to fully use the race which is more fun, over needing to win every single game.

Also, if you read in what I wrote, I talk of cannons, needing them, and how I will be adding gates in my transition to ALLOW for a late robo. You just completely said what I said.

Get out.

And to Nevuk:
I think better players would be able to effectively aggressively and defensively hallucination. Inexperienced players would probably try to storm the hallucinations units, probably checking first, wasting valuable micro time, ignoring the fact that his reinforcement/ retreat path has been cut off, not transferring probes and forgetting pylons and tech and whatnot. Why does this suck? Even if a player knew what to do, it's still not something that's easy because you can't detect it. You can only see what you actually see, and you can easily see HT, where they are going to storm, and able to dance before the storm.

On October 17 2009 02:28 Gnarly wrote:
What if my opponent does not scout that I am going hallucination? He scouts that I go DT opening, that doesn't even matter because soon enough he will know. Then I could be going for storm, a reaver switch, or archons, or something else. If he goes obs and storm, that's a long time before you attack, after being hit by a DT opening as well.

The point of the DTs are to delay his mid-game transition, so that I can do mine easier. What if he went reavers instead of storm? I don't have storms to worry about, but I have a late reaver push to deal with. Since I know it's coming, from spotter pylons and proper scouting, I can set up my defense to make it not worth attacking me, or to even harass me. If he went 4gate goon or something, well, that's self defeat. If he doesn't feel safe to attack, as DT can contest for map control versus one observer. Just the thought of the DTs sneaking in after he pushes out could cause him to focus on them, wasting time to attack me. But if he just goes straight for me, without proper defense, he is screwed.

As for the micro involved with clump avoiding, all you have to do with move your real units with the fake ones a few times in different directions. The amount of clicks could be a simple six clicks, just to get them together. Then to focus fire, I would probably have 8 goons per group, since it takes, I believe, sixteen shots without +1 to kill a goon, and with what seems like a goon heavy army, I could snipe a few goons and he could snipe a few fake ones. I've played a lot of UMS, and my micro is pretty precise, as long as I know how to do it.

You guys keep saying how there WILL be storms that WILL be doing MASSIVE damage NO MATTER WHAT, and that he WILL scout and WILL know exactly what to do. Quit with your ancient thinking, and talk from real experience, as I'm confident none of you have any experience with legit hallu-play. So what if he storms my fake units, what if he only gets one, which is the cost of 50 energy, compared to 75 energy? What if he gets three goons, which is 375 minerals and 150 gas. And the chance that he will have HTs ready to storm after being hit by a DT opening in time for to destroy me is unlikely, in my opinion.

As for replays, I am going to be doing a lot of games today, and I will get a few replays in here. But the reason I started the thread before any actual play, was to get a BETTER idea of what ordering my mid-game could be in. To see if anyone knew what they were talking about.

To Zephyr: It could be more viable to go with a fake zealot army instead of goons, just simply due to the gas issue. And the fake archons could provide some nice fodder, and could make an inexperienced player draw his reavers back, which would make his attack mush less effective. That's nice.


To ceaRshaf: Who made you boss? Even a couple of games would still do no justice, it would take a lot of thinking, and a lot of playing in order to truly see if it's viable. Be realistic.