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On July 09 2009 20:29 tec27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2009 20:08 Padal wrote:
is there a way to run this application with no registry entries of starcraft? would be nice to just set the way to starcraft.exe for it to work Fairly impossible without rewriting/hacking the loader. The way the loader works is it first checks the registry for Starcraft's install path, and then it looks in the directory it is in for any dll files. It then injects all those dll files into the starcraft.exe it found inside the starcraft path. So, since its designed to be in a different directory than SC itself, it needs to use the install path to find it. I guess as another option you could look for a different dll loader. Google around for command-line dll injectors or something along those lines and you'll probably turn up something you could use for the purpose.
Or he could simply create those registries. Should work no problems.
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On July 09 2009 22:36 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2009 21:25 Toxiferous wrote:On July 09 2009 10:35 tec27 wrote:
Alright Clasic, we'll just go ahead and take down wmode, ChaosLauncher, Lan Latency, APMAlert, AdvLoader....
Yeah cuz we all know equating advantageous hacks with unadavtangeous hacks makes lots of sense and you decide what is advantageous and what not? i consider APMAlert advantageous because if I dont have it I wont keep up my speed. Or i find FPReps advantageous because the one watching it first person can find out weak spots easier than the guy without it. its always the users responisbility to not abuse the given tool. only because you can stab someone with a knife it doesnt mean you have to. its also ridiculous to ban all knifes because someone could get stabbed. generally its a very bad way to go by hushing up the stuff you dont like, you should educate about it properly instead.
It's not an opinion. It IS an advantage, denying this just makes you look like an idiot (not that you haven't already)
Everyone has access to these things, they don't interfere with the game directly. A little alert saying your APM is low is just a good trainer, it won't help you out in a real game. Watching an FPRep, really? You're equating a player having a wider spectrum of vision with watching replays? Lol..
You're naming things that help TRAIN you to become a better player, using a resolution hack is DIRECTLY interfering with the game. If EVERY player had access to it (not everyones going to risk their accounts or even know about it in the first place) then it would be fine, but that's obviously not the case.
Your analogy is terrible and didn't pertain to this, what-so-ever
It's an interesting tool. Using it to watch replays or play with some friends using it too isn't what bothers me, it's the fact that a player with this has more potential than one with not, sure it's a little tougher to be more accurate, but the pros outweigh the cons massively
and nowhere am I "hushing" it up. I pointed out the facts, that this gives an obvious advantage to someone using it against someone not using it. End of story.
educate yourself.
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You're not stating facts any more than people who are arguing it isn't a hack are. You are stating your opinion. Despite what you may think you aren't the authority on what is and isn't advantageous in the world of 3rd party plugins and hacks for Starcraft: Brood War.
I think this thing is nothing more than a buggy toy, and there's no clear evidence to suggest seeing your nat from your main is a fair trade for having a microscopic minimap, having your camera not go where you want when you navigate with your minimap, your min/supply information way in the far corner of your screen, having wireframes/cloning be incredibly hard, your micro suffering significantly from the size of units, etc. I think it's really cool but I honestly wouldn't even try to play with this thing even if it wasn't prone to crashing like it is for me.
While on the otherhand it is incredibly helpful in the creation of movies, wallpapers etc, not to mention watching and maybe even broadcasting games, from reps or live observing. It has tons of uses beyond playing the game with, whether or not that gives you an unfair advantage (which is debatable.)
I would argue that something like APM alert, in the hands of someone whose biggest flaw in their game is speed, is more advantageous because it reinforces important aspects of play instead of changing how you look at the game like this widescreen hack does (less emphasis on minimap, awareness, etc)
Meanwhile, apm alert has no other beneficial uses to the community except to help people. And if something that provides aid and helps a player isn't an "advantage" by the basic definition of the word, I don't know what is.
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On July 09 2009 22:36 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2009 21:25 Toxiferous wrote:On July 09 2009 10:35 tec27 wrote:
Alright Clasic, we'll just go ahead and take down wmode, ChaosLauncher, Lan Latency, APMAlert, AdvLoader....
Yeah cuz we all know equating advantageous hacks with unadavtangeous hacks makes lots of sense and you decide what is advantageous and what not? i consider APMAlert advantageous because if I dont have it I wont keep up my speed. Or i find FPReps advantageous because the one watching it first person can find out weak spots easier than the guy without it. its always the users responisbility to not abuse the given tool. only because you can stab someone with a knife it doesnt mean you have to. its also ridiculous to ban all knifes because someone could get stabbed. generally its a very bad way to go by hushing up the stuff you dont like, you should educate about it properly instead.
I didn't know first person replays existed. Do they still work?
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On July 09 2009 22:36 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
its always the users responisbility to not abuse the given tool. only because you can stab someone with a knife it doesnt mean you have to. its also ridiculous to ban all knifes because someone could get stabbed.
personally I think we should ban all LAN modes because someone could pirate.
confirm/deny?
In other news this is a great tool for making movies and watching replays.
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Controversy aside, this is a fun tool. Thanks for posting up~!
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On July 11 2009 02:30 floor exercise wrote:
You're not stating facts any more than people who are arguing it isn't a hack are. You are stating your opinion. Despite what you may think you aren't the authority on what is and isn't advantageous in the world of 3rd party plugins and hacks for Starcraft: Brood War.
I think this thing is nothing more than a buggy toy, and there's no clear evidence to suggest seeing your nat from your main is a fair trade for having a microscopic minimap, having your camera not go where you want when you navigate with your minimap, your min/supply information way in the far corner of your screen, having wireframes/cloning be incredibly hard, your micro suffering significantly from the size of units, etc. I think it's really cool but I honestly wouldn't even try to play with this thing even if it wasn't prone to crashing like it is for me.
While on the otherhand it is incredibly helpful in the creation of movies, wallpapers etc, not to mention watching and maybe even broadcasting games, from reps or live observing. It has tons of uses beyond playing the game with, whether or not that gives you an unfair advantage (which is debatable.)
I would argue that something like APM alert, in the hands of someone whose biggest flaw in their game is speed, is more advantageous because it reinforces important aspects of play instead of changing how you look at the game like this widescreen hack does (less emphasis on minimap, awareness, etc)
Meanwhile, apm alert has no other beneficial uses to the community except to help people. And if something that provides aid and helps a player isn't an "advantage" by the basic definition of the word, I don't know what is.
Having an advantage isn't an opinion. If it was a disadvantage as you're implying then why use it other than the aesthetics for replays/screenshots? Exactly.
Good people can use this to gain an edge, regardless of needing to be more precise, it's a fair trade off when you can macro with one F-key, save your main/nats from work harass without even moving your screen. It alters the gameplay for one person while the other person has no choice as this is pretty much unknown to 99.99999% of the people who play.
If you actually think APM alert is helpful in a real game other than a training tool, you're just stupid, this is common sense, not opinionative.
APM Alert helps you train to keep your APM at a certain level, a D+ player should know when they're not playing at their optimum speed, it's just one less thing you need to focus on when training, it holds absolutely zero value in a real game where you're not just playing with the intent to improve.
I'm not denying it's a cool gimmick, but I don't think it belongs on ICCUP or anywhere where serious matches could take place, even if it isn't a clear cut advantage (aka you have downs and can't click a slighty smaller icon for cloning, no offense, you probably just have fat hands) it's still an altering effect to the end-game results which is unfair to the other player who isn't using it.
Stop trying to justify hacks because you can't play without an edge
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On July 11 2009 02:30 floor exercise wrote:
You're not stating facts any more than people who are arguing it isn't a hack are. You are stating your opinion. Despite what you may think you aren't the authority on what is and isn't advantageous in the world of 3rd party plugins and hacks for Starcraft: Brood War.
I think this thing is nothing more than a buggy toy, and there's no clear evidence to suggest seeing your nat from your main is a fair trade for having a microscopic minimap, having your camera not go where you want when you navigate with your minimap, your min/supply information way in the far corner of your screen, having wireframes/cloning be incredibly hard, your micro suffering significantly from the size of units, etc. I think it's really cool but I honestly wouldn't even try to play with this thing even if it wasn't prone to crashing like it is for me.
While on the otherhand it is incredibly helpful in the creation of movies, wallpapers etc, not to mention watching and maybe even broadcasting games, from reps or live observing. It has tons of uses beyond playing the game with, whether or not that gives you an unfair advantage (which is debatable.)
I would argue that something like APM alert, in the hands of someone whose biggest flaw in their game is speed, is more advantageous because it reinforces important aspects of play instead of changing how you look at the game like this widescreen hack does (less emphasis on minimap, awareness, etc)
Meanwhile, apm alert has no other beneficial uses to the community except to help people. And if something that provides aid and helps a player isn't an "advantage" by the basic definition of the word, I don't know what is.
maybe you shouldn't use 1400x900 greedy guy
just change it 800x600 and you will see the trade-off
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increased resolution is an advantage
apm alert is a gimmick
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On July 11 2009 09:34 Toxiferous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2009 02:30 floor exercise wrote:
You're not stating facts any more than people who are arguing it isn't a hack are. You are stating your opinion. Despite what you may think you aren't the authority on what is and isn't advantageous in the world of 3rd party plugins and hacks for Starcraft: Brood War.
I think this thing is nothing more than a buggy toy, and there's no clear evidence to suggest seeing your nat from your main is a fair trade for having a microscopic minimap, having your camera not go where you want when you navigate with your minimap, your min/supply information way in the far corner of your screen, having wireframes/cloning be incredibly hard, your micro suffering significantly from the size of units, etc. I think it's really cool but I honestly wouldn't even try to play with this thing even if it wasn't prone to crashing like it is for me.
While on the otherhand it is incredibly helpful in the creation of movies, wallpapers etc, not to mention watching and maybe even broadcasting games, from reps or live observing. It has tons of uses beyond playing the game with, whether or not that gives you an unfair advantage (which is debatable.)
I would argue that something like APM alert, in the hands of someone whose biggest flaw in their game is speed, is more advantageous because it reinforces important aspects of play instead of changing how you look at the game like this widescreen hack does (less emphasis on minimap, awareness, etc)
Meanwhile, apm alert has no other beneficial uses to the community except to help people. And if something that provides aid and helps a player isn't an "advantage" by the basic definition of the word, I don't know what is.
Having an advantage isn't an opinion. If it was a disadvantage as you're implying then why use it other than the aesthetics for replays/screenshots? Exactly. Good people can use this to gain an edge, regardless of needing to be more precise, it's a fair trade off when you can macro with one F-key, save your main/nats from work harass without even moving your screen. It alters the gameplay for one person while the other person has no choice as this is pretty much unknown to 99.99999% of the people who play. If you actually think APM alert is helpful in a real game other than a training tool, you're just stupid, this is common sense, not opinionative. APM Alert helps you train to keep your APM at a certain level, a D+ player should know when they're not playing at their optimum speed, it's just one less thing you need to focus on when training, it holds absolutely zero value in a real game where you're not just playing with the intent to improve. I'm not denying it's a cool gimmick, but I don't think it belongs on ICCUP or anywhere where serious matches could take place, even if it isn't a clear cut advantage (aka you have downs and can't click a slighty smaller icon for cloning, no offense, you probably just have fat hands) it's still an altering effect to the end-game results which is unfair to the other player who isn't using it. Stop trying to justify hacks because you can't play without an edge
"Having an advantage isn't an opinion. If it was a disadvantage as you're implying then why use it other than the aesthetics for replays/screenshots? Exactly."
I already stated I don't want to use this thing in games because it is headache inducing among all the other cost/benefits of using it to play BW at an obscene resolution that I listed. It isn't an advantage in my opinion. I don't want to use it, so how am I trying to justify wanting to use hacks because I can't play without an edge?
"APM Alert helps you train to keep your APM at a certain level" Gee that sounds awfully advantageous for a player who has issues keeping their APM at a certain level, especially against an opponent with the same issues and no plugin to help him overcome that.
Also to the person who said to use it at 800*600 I haven't tried that I am speaking from using it at a really high resolution to see half the map at any given time.
I wasn't even defending its use in game, I wouldn't use it and I probably wouldn't want it used against me anyway, I was defending it being linked on this site, because it has tons of alternate uses. If you read back the person who sparked this debate insisted that this thread be removed because this is a hack. I disagree 100% with that. It's the same circular argument that occurs every single time a new plugin or 3rd party mod of for Brood War is made, some ignorant purist retard goes on a bender about how it should never be used. It's literally the same arguments over and over.
What got me caught up in the argument was the stupidity of Toxiferwhatever's post and the righteousness that he handed down his opinion as fact when it is anything but. Every single plugin that improves the quality of play for the person using it is "advantageous." The particular level of advantage might be a decent argument to use when deciding what should and shouldn't be allowed in regular play, but to pretend like one doesn't offer any advantage at all is a joke, just like you said you 78 post wonder, why use if there's no advantage given?
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On July 11 2009 10:31 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2009 09:34 Toxiferous wrote:On July 11 2009 02:30 floor exercise wrote:
You're not stating facts any more than people who are arguing it isn't a hack are. You are stating your opinion. Despite what you may think you aren't the authority on what is and isn't advantageous in the world of 3rd party plugins and hacks for Starcraft: Brood War.
I think this thing is nothing more than a buggy toy, and there's no clear evidence to suggest seeing your nat from your main is a fair trade for having a microscopic minimap, having your camera not go where you want when you navigate with your minimap, your min/supply information way in the far corner of your screen, having wireframes/cloning be incredibly hard, your micro suffering significantly from the size of units, etc. I think it's really cool but I honestly wouldn't even try to play with this thing even if it wasn't prone to crashing like it is for me.
While on the otherhand it is incredibly helpful in the creation of movies, wallpapers etc, not to mention watching and maybe even broadcasting games, from reps or live observing. It has tons of uses beyond playing the game with, whether or not that gives you an unfair advantage (which is debatable.)
I would argue that something like APM alert, in the hands of someone whose biggest flaw in their game is speed, is more advantageous because it reinforces important aspects of play instead of changing how you look at the game like this widescreen hack does (less emphasis on minimap, awareness, etc)
Meanwhile, apm alert has no other beneficial uses to the community except to help people. And if something that provides aid and helps a player isn't an "advantage" by the basic definition of the word, I don't know what is.
Having an advantage isn't an opinion. If it was a disadvantage as you're implying then why use it other than the aesthetics for replays/screenshots? Exactly. Good people can use this to gain an edge, regardless of needing to be more precise, it's a fair trade off when you can macro with one F-key, save your main/nats from work harass without even moving your screen. It alters the gameplay for one person while the other person has no choice as this is pretty much unknown to 99.99999% of the people who play. If you actually think APM alert is helpful in a real game other than a training tool, you're just stupid, this is common sense, not opinionative. APM Alert helps you train to keep your APM at a certain level, a D+ player should know when they're not playing at their optimum speed, it's just one less thing you need to focus on when training, it holds absolutely zero value in a real game where you're not just playing with the intent to improve. I'm not denying it's a cool gimmick, but I don't think it belongs on ICCUP or anywhere where serious matches could take place, even if it isn't a clear cut advantage (aka you have downs and can't click a slighty smaller icon for cloning, no offense, you probably just have fat hands) it's still an altering effect to the end-game results which is unfair to the other player who isn't using it. Stop trying to justify hacks because you can't play without an edge "Having an advantage isn't an opinion. If it was a disadvantage as you're implying then why use it other than the aesthetics for replays/screenshots? Exactly." I already stated I don't want to use this thing in games because it is headache inducing among all the other cost/benefits of using it to play BW at an obscene resolution that I listed. It isn't an advantage in my opinion. I don't want to use it, so how am I trying to justify wanting to use hacks because I can't play without an edge? "APM Alert helps you train to keep your APM at a certain level" Gee that sounds awfully advantageous for a player who has issues keeping their APM at a certain level, especially against an opponent with the same issues and no plugin to help him overcome that. Also to the person who said to use it at 800*600 I haven't tried that I am speaking from using it at a really high resolution to see half the map at any given time. I wasn't even defending its use in game, I wouldn't use it and I probably wouldn't want it used against me anyway, I was defending it being linked on this site, because it has tons of alternate uses. If you read back the person who sparked this debate insisted that this thread be removed because this is a hack. I disagree 100% with that. It's the same circular argument that occurs every single time a new plugin or 3rd party mod of for Brood War is made, some ignorant purist retard goes on a bender about how it should never be used. It's literally the same arguments over and over. What got me caught up in the argument was the stupidity of Toxiferwhatever's post and the righteousness that he handed down his opinion as fact when it is anything but. Every single plugin that improves the quality of play for the person using it is "advantageous." The particular level of advantage might be a decent argument to use when deciding what should and shouldn't be allowed in regular play, but to pretend like one doesn't offer any advantage at all is a joke, just like you said you 78 post wonder, why use if there's no advantage given?
Sorry, your post is too long and given that you've proven yourself to be highly unintelligent I'll just skip it since I know it will be more crying about how your hack isn't giving any edge :D
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Very cool 
Thanks
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Here's the ChaosLauncher loader for the resolution hack:
http://rockify.net/ResHackLoader/ResHackLoader.zip
Just throw the bwl where you normally put Chaos plugins. Also, make sure the ResolutionExpander.dll and the ini file from the original download are in that folder as well. Then simply launch the game through Chaos with that plugin checked and it should work.
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Your opinion doesn't mean the program gives an edge. The only way to determine this would be to let the top gamers use this program and see if they perform better or worse. This will tell you if the resolution hack gives an advantage or disadvantage. Until then, your opinion, though it may be worded well, does not equal fact.
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On July 11 2009 12:47 tec27 wrote:Here's the ChaosLauncher loader for the resolution hack: http://rockify.net/ResHackLoader/ResHackLoader.zipJust throw the bwl where you normally put Chaos plugins. Also, make sure the ResolutionExpander.dll and the ini file from the original download are in that folder as well. Then simply launch the game through Chaos with that plugin checked and it should work.
Very nice, but how do you change the resolution manually?
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On July 11 2009 12:54 Lycaeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2009 12:47 tec27 wrote:Here's the ChaosLauncher loader for the resolution hack: http://rockify.net/ResHackLoader/ResHackLoader.zipJust throw the bwl where you normally put Chaos plugins. Also, make sure the ResolutionExpander.dll and the ini file from the original download are in that folder as well. Then simply launch the game through Chaos with that plugin checked and it should work. Very nice, but how do you change the resolution manually?
Edit the ini file like you normally do for this hack.
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On July 11 2009 12:49 nebffa wrote:
Your opinion doesn't mean the program gives an edge. The only way to determine this would be to let the top gamers use this program and see if they perform better or worse. This will tell you if the resolution hack gives an advantage or disadvantage. Until then, your opinion, though it may be worded well, does not equal fact.
its facts, sry
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