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pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 17:15:12
June 17 2009 17:27 GMT
#1
Games that revolutionized how the game is played today

Iloveoov vs [Oops]Reach Set 1 Mercury @ Ever OSL



Until this game most protosses has been facing oov with cheese or with a 2nd base timing rush But, Oov being oov played a very aggressive expo turtle style terran so timing rushes wouldn't work due to his excellent positioning. So reach, instead of trying to do a timing attack on Oov did something very different, and instead went very macro heavy as well. This revolutionized TvP into the macro slug fests we see today.


SK Terran Iloveoov vs JulyZerg IntotheDarkness @ March 2006




Though Iloveoov was not the creator of SK Terran he was one of the many terrans who specialized in it. SK Terran actually stood for Soul Key, the creator of this build. In this style a terran would skip tanks and instead build Vessels against a zerg. With the marine upgrades,massive Sci Vessel count, and the mobility of large armies this style become very popular after the increased hand speeds of programmers in starcraft. This VOD shows SK Terran played to near perfection.

Nada vs Savior @ UZOO MSL

Savior's first use of defilers against SK Terran<-VOD LINK

The Solution to Nada's SK Terran the best user of this strategy during the time. A time where the Bonjwa perfected his 3 gas hive tech defiler play. Savior used his swarms and plagues to great effect. Also making sure that Nada's Sci Vessel count was always down. This game revolutionized TvZ because of the great defiler play we see in programmers today.

Nada vs Savior Set 1 Longinous @ OSL Finals



a more recent example. And one of the final times Savior was able to win in such dominating fashion.

Savior vs Bisu Set 1 Longinous Set 3 @ GOMTV MSL FINALS



The Protoss Revolutionist at his finest moment. Knocking off savior from his perch. Bisu destryoed savior with his so called "Bisu" build which consisted of making corsairs and dt's to counter savior's style of a 4 base turtle style zerg which he used muta's and lurkers to protect his base. What makes this game so important today shows, that PvZ can be an actually winnable for the protoss.

July vs Hwasin Rush Hour 2 @ Sky Proleague Rd 2




Julyzerg, popularizing the muta stack (the first game where muta stacking was broadcast). Before programmers would click on a mineral patch or unbuilt refinery to help them stack." Until Shark discovered a bug, in which he would group mutas with an overlord and due to the "Magic Boxes" the Mutas would stacked up and stay stacked for longer, making them much harder to kill. Every zerg now from iccup D levels to Jaedong now uses stacked mutas in every match-up

Boxer vs Yellow Bunker Rush x3 @ Ever OSL Semi-Finals



The most infamous semi-finals. The Boxer-Yellow rivalry has been called the most influential rivalry in starcraft. The entire set (3-0 win for boxer) was done in less than 30 minutes shocking the audience and both of the players as well. Many people called outraged over the imbalances of boxers bunker rush in tvz.The reason why this game is revolutionary was the influx of gamers using bunker rushes against zergs after this set. We don't see this build as much because on how good zergs are now able to fight bunker rushes.

Nal_Ra's all-kill against KTF @ Proleague




In these games nal_ra displays the true power of protoss. Employing carriers, and high templars in his first game against a terran. To the second game in which Nal_Ra displays the most efficent use of shuttle/reaver use ever seen in the game of starcraft. The off to the 3rd game where the early incarnation of corsair/reaver then transition into a heavy ground army was seen. If their ever was Boxer for the protoss it would be Nal_Ra

By.Fantasy vs GGPlay Set 1 Medusa @ Incruit 2008 OSL




Though flash was the one who pushed the mech trend we commonly see today. It was the SKT Terrans who revolutionized mech against the zerg. Everyone knows that mech is a very slow, but sure way way of winning a game. The main problem with mech though it's inability to deal with a huge macro style zerg due to its low mobility (seen in GGPlay vs Flash Set 1 Incruit OSL). The SKT Terrans decided to deal with problem the terran mech build must use mobility. What the SKT Terrans came up was the Dropship/Vulture to give mobility to mech, and the transition to Goliaths/Valkyries against mutas. So two revolutions came out of the now called "Fantasy Build", the mobility of mech, and the proper use of Valkyries.

Jaedong vs Sea Set 3 Python @ Star Challenge




At around 16 minutes is where the game starts. This game show Jaedong's legendary use of mutalisk control. Zergs transitioned from the very eco-friendly style of Savior's 3 Hatch into the more aggressive style that Jaedong's 2 hatch pushed ZvT style. Now considered the standard against a regular marine and medic build against the terran. Though Jaedong was not the one who created the two hatch. He popularized it once again.

Flash vs Stork Set 4 Katrina @ GSI



During a period of time where all Terrans were being destroyed by Stork's carrier build on Katrina, except for one terran. His name was Flash. During the time most Terran's where trying to fight protoss with a 2 base timing attack. Flash, instead adapted an early 3rd base, with fast upgrades. He would add his first armory and academy after his 2nd factory. With the early academy it gave him scouting information on the protoss. Also with the fast armory build he created the now Famous 2-1 upgrade timing attack. Now every terran player from complete noobs to programmers used the flash build some time in their careers.

BackHo's offensive ZiZi Yo @ MST Group 9



Backho accidently types zizi yo against Firefist in the closing seconds of the game. This game was very important, because the loser would be kicked out of the OSL. In KeSpa rules, any player who chats besides saying GG is considered a disqualification. So people initially thought Firefist won, even though Backho was second's from winning. So for clarification the KeSPAs officials came out confronting Firefist and backho where firefist decided to let backho take the win, because he knew their was no way of coming back. Backho than said during at a post-game interview, "I typed out because I thought the sound of the dragoon [dying] was the GG [message]" This game show's why people complain against KeSPA

"Breaking the Streak" Iloveoov vs Julyzerg Set 1 Nostalgia @ Gillete OSL 2004

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/1123_iloveoov_vs_July/vod <-VOD

Iloveoov during his time of dominance. He was know as the "Monster terran" and at his height of his dominance. At around 75 percent win rate with 27-0 record against zerg he was considered the heavy favorite against July. Iloveoov used to open 2 barracks FE, and pressure the zerg hoping the zerg will turtle up. What July decided to do instead was to pressure Iloveoov straight from the start and with JulyZerg's perfect timing and set-up, he was able to take out the monster. What makes this game special was that a Zerg (JulyZerg) has finally stopped iloveoov's monster winning streak.


Nal_Ra vs Casy Old Peaks @ ShinHan2006 OSL


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/3205_Casy_vs_Nal_rA/vod <-VOD

nal_ra vs casy on old peaks - The quintessential proxy game! ra proxied in an obvious spot and it got scouted, but this was merely a cover for his real proxy in the top left. While casy is worrying about the zealots, ra cannons his mineral line from above. If that weren't enough, he built ANOTHER proxy gate with a citadel on a ramp, across the map from his other gates. I have observed a huge increase in the number of proxy builds (both all-in and non) since this game, so I believe it was influential. [Thanks City 42]

Nal_rA vs GoodFreind Parallel Lines 3 @ 2004



Nal_Ra went for a fast arbiter rush, during a time where most people thought arbiter rushes wouldn't work on Island Maps. Standard play for a protoss during the time on island maps is to open up with shuttles and transition into carriers in most TvP games. Also Due to fact of the very turtle heavy nature of terran, and their ability to scan a Protoss base at any given time to find out the protoss strategy made people thought any fast arbiter play would be rendered useless. They were wrong. This game is important because it showed how perfect early Arbiter Play can win the game for a protoss. Also show casing an early incarnation of what would be Best's 2 base quick arbiter play against terran.

Nada vs GoRush IntotheDarkness 2 @ Yatkg MSL 2005



Nada opens up barracks with fast factory against zerg. With fast vultures he uses vulture patrol micro to the fullest of effect. Effectively ending any hope for GoRush to win the game. During this time Nada was known as the Tornado Terran. Known his great unit control and excellent macro, he was always very consistent. What makes this game so special is the perfect use of vulture patrol micro seen against any opponent. Even 4 years later in the game players like by.fantasy, and other players use vulture patrol against zerg to negate any early game aggression.


Jaedong vs FanTaSy The New Autumn Wind @ Proleague SKT vs OZ Set 4




The counter for dark swarm is a very aggressive terran who is out on the map. The terran MUST makes sure the dark swarm is not placed at their natural choke, otherwise its GG for the terran, because the only way a terran army can survive if a dark swarm is placed is to run away from the dark swarm area. So when Fantasy realizes that Jaedong was going into hive tech most likely for Swarm, Fantasy decided it was time to apply some pressure. What later confused me is that a queen was built, so I thought it was a misclicked from Jaedong. Then at 12 minutes something magical happened. A perfect flank, with well-placed swarms, and a GREAT, but unexpected ensnare. When the swarm was cast, Fantasy did the right decision to retreat his army from the Dark Swarm. Unfortunately the ensnare (which negate the effects of stim) made the marines too slow to run away from the swarm/lurker/ling.Thus, fantasy lost his entire army while Jaedong lost next to nothing. This game was influential because, it is an early incarnation of what logical Queen play in starcraft.




HALL OF BM


Much's HEART OF DEATH!!!! @ Arena MSL 2008



Much before the game calls out for revenge against FireBatHero. After Firebathero dominated savior. As the heart goes up, and the audience starts to chant Savior's name. The result is clear Much got his revenge and created one of the more intresting starcraft rivalries today. This game was not revolutinary. But was the first game to broadcast a pylon <3.

Midas' Pondering Mind @ MSL Survivor 2007



After Midas kicked thezerg's ass. Midas decided it was time to do a motherfucking ceremony. Too bad he wasn't prepared. What ensued was the most awkward minute in StarCraft ceremony ever witnessed. Enjoy

Firebathero Doesn't GIVE A SHIT. I'm go for a swim @ Proleague 2008



Firebathero danced his way into victory and my heart. After facing go.go in what was a very one sided match, Firebathero decided to have some fun. First came the in-game ceromeny when FBH built a Command Center in go.go's natural. Then after the gg, FBH threw a rice bowl at go.go, because go.go said earlier in an interview, "beating khan is as easy as eating rice." And finally, FBH went for a relaxing swim as a final FUCK YOU to go.go

If their is any other games you think changed the way starcraft is played today please post them up
Angus
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 17 2009 17:30 GMT
#2
Just post the Youtube links, TL embs it itself.
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da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
June 17 2009 17:33 GMT
#3
hmm how about when terran started going mech (vulture & wraith/valk) against zerg? not sure what game that was.
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Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
June 17 2009 17:35 GMT
#4
Nice idea for a thread. Wasn't the Oov/Reach game on Mercury, though?
We are vigilant.
pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
June 17 2009 17:37 GMT
#5
Why yes it was lol. What was I thinking Andromeda wasn't even made then. But, its's fixed now
Angus
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8080 Posts
June 17 2009 17:41 GMT
#6
maybe to a lesser extent but still influential fantasy vs ggplay on medusa?
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
June 17 2009 17:41 GMT
#7
On June 18 2009 02:33 da_head wrote:
hmm how about when terran started going mech (vulture & wraith/valk) against zerg? not sure what game that was.

Fantasy vs GGPlay? But that build didn't have wraiths, I think Leta made that popular.
Jaedong
Loffeman
Profile Joined June 2007
Sweden105 Posts
June 17 2009 17:42 GMT
#8
How about July vs Hwasin, the birth of muta micro

pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
June 17 2009 17:48 GMT
#9
I think the Fantasy Build can become revolutionary, but still has some more refining to do. Just like how nal_ra created the forge first expo, than Bisu adapted it to change into his style with stunning effect against Savior, the so called bonjwa during the time.
Angus
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8080 Posts
June 17 2009 17:50 GMT
#10
On June 18 2009 02:48 pevenariola wrote:
I think the Fantasy Build can become revolutionary, but still has some more refining to do. Just like how nal_ra created the forge first expo, than Bisu adapted it to change into his style with stunning effect against Savior, the so called bonjwa during the time.


It wasn't revolutionary in that the build itself became as popular as the bisu build, but revolutionary for that in a large time-span Terran opted for mech-play much more often than bio.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
June 17 2009 17:50 GMT
#11
On June 18 2009 02:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 02:33 da_head wrote:
hmm how about when terran started going mech (vulture & wraith/valk) against zerg? not sure what game that was.

Fantasy vs GGPlay? But that build didn't have wraiths, I think Leta made that popular.

Boxer vs Grrr ~ 1999.

Grrr as Z , Boxer 3 fact 1 base mech WITH FIREBATS.

REVOLUTIONARY!

If you remember that replay you're oldschool.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8080 Posts
June 17 2009 17:52 GMT
#12
On June 18 2009 02:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 02:33 da_head wrote:
hmm how about when terran started going mech (vulture & wraith/valk) against zerg? not sure what game that was.

Fantasy vs GGPlay? But that build didn't have wraiths, I think Leta made that popular.


leta didn't make wraiths popular vs zerg, he's just pretty much way better at it than any other player right now (I remember a VOD of oov going 2-port wraith vs Jju(?) on raid assault where it was countered with ensnare from a few years back).
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ii.blitzkrieg
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada1122 Posts
June 17 2009 17:58 GMT
#13
On June 18 2009 02:52 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 02:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:33 da_head wrote:
hmm how about when terran started going mech (vulture & wraith/valk) against zerg? not sure what game that was.

Fantasy vs GGPlay? But that build didn't have wraiths, I think Leta made that popular.


leta didn't make wraiths popular vs zerg, he's just pretty much way better at it than any other player right now (I remember a VOD of oov going 2-port wraith vs Jju(?) on raid assault where it was countered with ensnare from a few years back).


Yeah but if a players uses a build and it doesn't catch on then how is it influential?

iirc Lomo was the first one to use 2 port wraith with the sick anti scourge micro but Leta is the one that is really good at it right now and some other terrans have been trying it.

With TvZ it's kinda tough to point out specific games because in the last few months there have been many small changes.
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pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 18:01:57
June 17 2009 17:59 GMT
#14
Oov used to go 2 port-wraiths against zergs. Until Jju used queens and ensnare to counter the wraiths mobility and cloak. Making them very weak to his mutas. So far a while terrans didn't use wraiths. Until recently with the advent of Leta.
Angus
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 17 2009 18:03 GMT
#15
Was that the very first game where Julyzerg did muta micro on a broadcast game? I've been looking for the first one :D
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pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 18:11:17
June 17 2009 18:06 GMT
#16
yes but its only part of the game from when the muta hatch to hwasin's gg. Also I wouldn't say mech build is revolutionary. Their good maps for mech build, but i think it's just a phase where going under through starcraft.
Angus
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
June 17 2009 18:17 GMT
#17
I think sAviOr vs NaDa on Luna in UZOO MSL is where sAviOr first revealed his new defiler heavy ZvT style to deal with SK Terran - the game in your OP is like one of the final few examples of him being able to use it dominantly, as after that final he (afaik) didnt win any more Bo5's against Terran, except against an out of shape Casy to get to the finals of Shinhan Masters where NaDa killed him 3-1.

Writerman what
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 17 2009 18:26 GMT
#18
July is a genius for finding this out
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pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
June 17 2009 18:29 GMT
#19
I agree with you completely Atrioc. And thank you for reminding me on where savior first showed off his deflier heavy style.
Angus
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
June 17 2009 18:30 GMT
#20
BoxeR bunkering YellOw, Jju 5pooling some poor dude, other 'bad mannered' cheese.
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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10825 Posts
June 17 2009 18:38 GMT
#21
On June 18 2009 03:26 SuperArc wrote:
July is a genius for finding this out

shark is actually credited for discovering muta stacking, july just has way better execution.
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Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
June 17 2009 18:47 GMT
#22
On June 18 2009 02:50 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 02:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:33 da_head wrote:
hmm how about when terran started going mech (vulture & wraith/valk) against zerg? not sure what game that was.

Fantasy vs GGPlay? But that build didn't have wraiths, I think Leta made that popular.

Boxer vs Grrr ~ 1999.

Grrr as Z , Boxer 3 fact 1 base mech WITH FIREBATS.

REVOLUTIONARY!

If you remember that replay you're oldschool.

It's kinda hard to remember a replay of a game played 2years before reps were implemented in the game.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 17 2009 19:03 GMT
#23
On June 18 2009 03:38 LosingID8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 03:26 SuperArc wrote:
July is a genius for finding this out

shark is actually credited for discovering muta stacking, july just has way better execution.


thats what i thought, it also helps that july is much better with is aggresive stlye of play. and the fact that he won using muta micro
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pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
June 17 2009 19:05 GMT
#24
ahh julyzerg his experience is what makes him so valuable in starcraft today.
Angus
Hammy
Profile Joined January 2009
France828 Posts
June 17 2009 19:32 GMT
#25
On June 18 2009 03:47 Eatme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 02:50 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:33 da_head wrote:
hmm how about when terran started going mech (vulture & wraith/valk) against zerg? not sure what game that was.

Fantasy vs GGPlay? But that build didn't have wraiths, I think Leta made that popular.

Boxer vs Grrr ~ 1999.

Grrr as Z , Boxer 3 fact 1 base mech WITH FIREBATS.

REVOLUTIONARY!

If you remember that replay you're oldschool.

It's kinda hard to remember a replay of a game played 2years before reps were implemented in the game.

Nice!
Danka
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Peru1018 Posts
June 17 2009 19:33 GMT
#26
i think:

even though the build existed before... the Mech terran build with one vult harrass and valks that Fantasy used to school GGPLAY was a turning point in the way mech was used TvZ
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9991 Posts
June 17 2009 19:36 GMT
#27
wheres [gg99]slayer vs boxer
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
June 17 2009 19:37 GMT
#28
rofl dont forget dude, FBH chucked a riceball at go.go bc go.go said beating khan is as easy as eating rice, ROFLLL.
Probe.
Profile Joined May 2009
United States877 Posts
June 17 2009 19:52 GMT
#29
Any game with Nal_rA in it. His games are just art
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 20:00:46
June 17 2009 19:59 GMT
#30
oh man the things you had to do to beat oov...
also, rofl at the ad

Would Jaedong's 2hatch muta vs Sea on python count?
TLPD Vod
It really set the standard for mutalisks harass and aided in the transition from sAviOr's passive usage to the now common aggressive play.

edit: Game starts at 16:55
pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
June 17 2009 20:29 GMT
#31
damn so many suggestions give me a second to watch the vods to see if it truly is revolutionary to the game. also, i decided the "fantasy build" is revolutionary.
Angus
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
June 17 2009 20:37 GMT
#32
Jaedong vs Shuttle Averatec S1 Game 3 @ Othello
Vod
This is the first time I saw the 5hatch hydra -> muta build used. I'm not sure if it was the first time but it is the oldest one I can remember.

Sprite
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1015 Posts
June 17 2009 20:43 GMT
#33
Why isn't Savior vs Firebathero @python on the list?
Firebathero is still the best!
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 20:50:45
June 17 2009 20:50 GMT
#34
On June 18 2009 05:37 kNyTTyM wrote:
Jaedong vs Shuttle Averatec S1 Game 3 @ Othello
Vod
This is the first time I saw the 5hatch hydra -> muta build used. I'm not sure if it was the first time but it is the oldest one I can remember.



I thought it was Luxury during some individual league; and the idea stemmed from that SC program star age where the commentator wondered why people didn't build Muta after 5 hatch hydra to snipe templar.

I don't think it's revolutionary. All the games mentioned triggered a gigantic and lasting influx of a certain style of play. I think that the 5 hatch hyrda -> muta transition is merely a trend, another development in the game. If you're going to recommend this, you must also recommend incremental advances like Midas' FD Rush or Anytime's 2 gate goon answer.

Other incremental advances rewards go to (in my opinion)
Jaedongs ZvT 2 hatch muta
Pusan's (?) arbiter transitions PvT
Flash's Fast Armory/Golaith Katrina build
Stork's reaver/expo/carrier style

I'm definitely missing some older incremental advances (I find it hard to believe that Oov, Boxer, Savior, Ra, etc. didn't make incremental advances.

The ensnare/wraith game was Jju versus iloveOov on Raid Assault II.
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pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 21:08:06
June 17 2009 20:53 GMT
#35
Well Firebathero vs Savior is not on the list because despite being an epic game, and the use of battlecruisers. It didn't change how starcraft was played for a while.

BRB adding the Flash Build

if anyone knows how the Carrier build got popular, and where it was first shown please pm me.
Angus
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
June 17 2009 21:05 GMT
#36
Well, it wasn't really a single game. It because popular because Stork used it to secure his position as a dominant protoss in 06-07 and it brought him a ton of wins. I guess if you want to stick a game to it, it was epitomized by his 2 base carrier rush on Katrina.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17920 Posts
June 17 2009 21:14 GMT
#37
Why did the team nal_ra was all killing have the flag of norway on their jackets?
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pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
June 17 2009 21:16 GMT
#38
don't ask me i'm just a lonely starcraft fan
Angus
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51409 Posts
June 17 2009 21:20 GMT
#39
On June 18 2009 06:14 arb wrote:
Why did the team nal_ra was all killing have the flag of norway on their jackets?


their team uniform makers were based in norway
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LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
June 17 2009 21:22 GMT
#40
What about Jaedong versus Bisu on Othello when Jaedong did the hyrda --> muta (to snipe high templars). I believe that became the standard on many maps in zvp after that game.

Great choice overall. I'm going to re-watch all of them.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 17 2009 21:34 GMT
#41
Hmm, maybe Backho's zizi yo ? Certainly has had an influence up to now.

And what game did SK Terran gain prominence? I know Nada was considered basically unbeatable TvZ for a while, but soulkey had to popularize that style first.
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
June 17 2009 21:34 GMT
#42
I htink a whole bunch of games helped revolutionize starcraft now. Not just individual games
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
June 17 2009 21:44 GMT
#43
There's a typo in the part about flash and katrina..:D
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pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 21:48:13
June 17 2009 21:45 GMT
#44
Racenilatr that is true, modern Starcraft evolved from all those games. But their are pinnacle moments in starcraft in which a certain strategy is honed to such perfection, and executed so well, it influence other programmers to include their type of strategies into their game.
Angus
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
June 17 2009 22:04 GMT
#45
On June 18 2009 02:27 pevenariola wrote:
It was the SK Terrans who revolutionized mech against the zerg. Everyone knows that mech is a very slow, but sure way way of winning a game. The main problem with mech though it's inability to deal with a huge macro style zerg due to its low mobility (seen in GGPlay vs Flash Set 1 Incruit OSL). The SK Terrans decided to deal with problem the terran mech build must use mobility. What the SK Terrans came up was the Dropship/Vulture to give mobility to mech, and the transition to Goliaths/Valkyries against mutas. So two revolutions came out of the now called "Fantasy Build", the mobility of mech, and the proper use of Valkyries.

Not a complaint, but wanted to point out that this paragraph is kind of confusing; there is a big difference between "SK Terran" and "SKT Terran."
pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
June 17 2009 22:06 GMT
#46
thanks pyrthas i kinda fucked up lol
Angus
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 17 2009 22:20 GMT
#47
thats a pretty good list so far
x89titan
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Philippines1130 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 22:32:11
June 17 2009 22:32 GMT
#48
how bout kespa's influence in dqing?
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
June 17 2009 22:37 GMT
#49
ahaha looking at savior's fpvod, you can see how frustrated he was when he tried to save the rep by just pressing random keys
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Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
June 17 2009 22:40 GMT
#50
FANTASTIC THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

omg bookmarked seriously
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
June 17 2009 22:43 GMT
#51
On June 18 2009 04:59 kNyTTyM wrote:
oh man the things you had to do to beat oov...
also, rofl at the ad

Would Jaedong's 2hatch muta vs Sea on python count?
TLPD Vod
It really set the standard for mutalisks harass and aided in the transition from sAviOr's passive usage to the now common aggressive play.

edit: Game starts at 16:55

Should be Jaedong vs Flash Gom Season 1 finals instead imo.

After that, there was a huge shift in zvt from 3hat to 2hat.
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Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 22:51:45
June 17 2009 22:51 GMT
#52
On June 18 2009 07:06 pevenariola wrote:
thanks pyrthas i kinda fucked up lol

Haha, I don't think you need to worry about it. A minor mistake in an awesome thread.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
June 17 2009 23:01 GMT
#53
On June 18 2009 07:43 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 04:59 kNyTTyM wrote:
oh man the things you had to do to beat oov...
also, rofl at the ad

Would Jaedong's 2hatch muta vs Sea on python count?
TLPD Vod
It really set the standard for mutalisks harass and aided in the transition from sAviOr's passive usage to the now common aggressive play.

edit: Game starts at 16:55

Should be Jaedong vs Flash Gom Season 1 finals instead imo.

After that, there was a huge shift in zvt from 3hat to 2hat.



also first epic usage of 2 combined control groups i mean seriously WWTF pwnage
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
June 17 2009 23:11 GMT
#54
NALRA <3 omg

sick vid that one, thanks for posting
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pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 23:24:54
June 17 2009 23:23 GMT
#55
OK Sk Terran is now up. :D Sorry couldn't find the original Soul Key Videos. D:

Also, the 2 muta control groups was a fun game to watch. But, i think only jaedong is the only zerg who can employ it right.
Angus
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 17 2009 23:46 GMT
#56
I'm curious, how influential were the games where Julyzerg beat iloveoov, finally ending his 28 game vZ winning streak?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=15440
is the battle report on it.
pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
June 18 2009 02:15 GMT
#57
Added JulyZerg vs Iloveoov, and Backho's ZiZi yo
Angus
Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
June 18 2009 06:04 GMT
#58
HAHAHA AT MIDAS FAIL CEREMONY!
What did he do, turn his head? xD
NaDa/Flash/Thorzain Fan
Thug[ro]
Profile Joined October 2005
Romania340 Posts
June 18 2009 06:25 GMT
#59
lol midas noob!
great post btw
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-18 06:36:14
June 18 2009 06:35 GMT
#60
On June 18 2009 04:32 Hammy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 03:47 Eatme wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:50 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:33 da_head wrote:
hmm how about when terran started going mech (vulture & wraith/valk) against zerg? not sure what game that was.

Fantasy vs GGPlay? But that build didn't have wraiths, I think Leta made that popular.

Boxer vs Grrr ~ 1999.

Grrr as Z , Boxer 3 fact 1 base mech WITH FIREBATS.

REVOLUTIONARY!

If you remember that replay you're oldschool.

It's kinda hard to remember a replay of a game played 2years before reps were implemented in the game.

Nice!

Oh so clever ...."vod" then.

Although since we're being tight ass sticklers of word choice.

A replay would technically be any reshowing of a game...but ok.

And I could be wrong about the date of the game.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
June 18 2009 06:53 GMT
#61
Nice write-up
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
June 18 2009 06:58 GMT
#62
I'll contribute a couple:

nal_ra vs nada on r-point - nal_ra does an unheard of double nexus PvT, and completely decimates nada who had no idea what was going on.

kingdom vs jju on luna - kingdom shows the power of dark archons as he slowly steals jju's entire army in a seemingly stalemated game.

garimto vs boxer on forbidden zone - garimto rushes a scout, then goes 1 base arbiters...but boxer responds by getting lockdown and turns the tides (possibly the most creative game ever).

nal_ra vs goodfriend on parallel lines - Do I really need to explain this?.

nada vs gorush on into the darkness - The first major exhibition of patrol micro, nada's two vultures kill an ungodly amount of units

nal_ra vs casy on old peaks - The quintessential proxy game! ra proxied in an obvious spot and it got scouted, but this was merely a cover for his real proxy in the top left. While casy is worrying about the zealots, ra cannons his mineral line from above. If that weren't enough, he built ANOTHER proxy gate with a citadel on a ramp, across the map from his other gates. I have observed a huge increase in the number of proxy builds (both all-in and non) since this game, so I believe it was influential.

intotherainbow vs goodfriend on r-point - To put it simply, rainbow wins a game without winning a single battle.

Polyphasic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States841 Posts
June 18 2009 07:23 GMT
#63
ROFL at midas. hahahahahaha
can't making a relationship last longer than 2 weeks, since 1984 :thumbs:
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
June 18 2009 07:26 GMT
#64
Intotherainbow?
Jaedong
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
June 18 2009 08:14 GMT
#65
nal_ra vs oov, where ra makes all of his buildings outside his main was pretty sick haha
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
June 18 2009 08:19 GMT
#66
On June 18 2009 03:47 Eatme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 02:50 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:33 da_head wrote:
hmm how about when terran started going mech (vulture & wraith/valk) against zerg? not sure what game that was.

Fantasy vs GGPlay? But that build didn't have wraiths, I think Leta made that popular.

Boxer vs Grrr ~ 1999.

Grrr as Z , Boxer 3 fact 1 base mech WITH FIREBATS.

REVOLUTIONARY!

If you remember that replay you're oldschool.

It's kinda hard to remember a replay of a game played 2years before reps were implemented in the game.



owned
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-18 08:40:46
June 18 2009 08:39 GMT
#67
Nice thread.

One thing I'm wondering is, can any one player/game be credited to breaking Savior's ZvT? FBH's series was definitely the most famous, but I think even before him, terrans had began to break Savior's "bare-minimum defense until hive" builds.

A lot of games I can think of are more player-oriented than causing trends. A lot of Stork builds never became popular because they're more map-abuse then anything else. ForGG's sense of timing would be influential if he actually stayed relevant long enough. Jaedong IMO had a lot of builds that only worked because he's Jaedong, and doesn't really transfer to other zergs. And it seems that the whole 14CC thing never caught on with anyone except Flash.
Meh
Jonvvv
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Norway1530 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-18 14:07:48
June 18 2009 14:06 GMT
#68


hehahehahahah
feel kinda bad for him xD
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
June 19 2009 00:19 GMT
#69
On June 18 2009 17:19 Hyperionnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 03:47 Eatme wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:50 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:33 da_head wrote:
hmm how about when terran started going mech (vulture & wraith/valk) against zerg? not sure what game that was.

Fantasy vs GGPlay? But that build didn't have wraiths, I think Leta made that popular.

Boxer vs Grrr ~ 1999.

Grrr as Z , Boxer 3 fact 1 base mech WITH FIREBATS.

REVOLUTIONARY!

If you remember that replay you're oldschool.

It's kinda hard to remember a replay of a game played 2years before reps were implemented in the game.



owned

owned
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
June 19 2009 00:26 GMT
#70
On June 19 2009 09:19 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2009 17:19 Hyperionnn wrote:
On June 18 2009 03:47 Eatme wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:50 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On June 18 2009 02:33 da_head wrote:
hmm how about when terran started going mech (vulture & wraith/valk) against zerg? not sure what game that was.

Fantasy vs GGPlay? But that build didn't have wraiths, I think Leta made that popular.

Boxer vs Grrr ~ 1999.

Grrr as Z , Boxer 3 fact 1 base mech WITH FIREBATS.

REVOLUTIONARY!

If you remember that replay you're oldschool.

It's kinda hard to remember a replay of a game played 2years before reps were implemented in the game.



owned

owned


owned, but I guess he means vod
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
pevenariola
Profile Joined September 2008
United States26 Posts
June 19 2009 04:57 GMT
#71
updated :D thanks for contribitions keep them coming!
Angus
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
June 19 2009 05:17 GMT
#72
Watching Nada vs Savior Set 1 Longinous @ OSL Finals.

Forgot how the crowd and commentators used to go crazy when Savior got his defs out. Dude those were the days.
tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
June 19 2009 05:37 GMT
#73
I'd like to add one more recommendation

sync vs jinnam on HOV coca cola round of 16 i think

sync goes marine medic vs hydra lurk on an island map. this was way back when bionic control wasn't as advanced and no one dared take on hydra lurk with no tank support but sync showed the power of bionic when controlled properly.
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
June 19 2009 06:22 GMT
#74
Amazing post
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
June 19 2009 06:37 GMT
#75
On June 19 2009 14:37 tenbagger wrote:
I'd like to add one more recommendation

sync vs jinnam on HOV coca cola round of 16 i think

sync goes marine medic vs hydra lurk on an island map. this was way back when bionic control wasn't as advanced and no one dared take on hydra lurk with no tank support but sync showed the power of bionic when controlled properly.


Anyone know where I can see this game.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-19 08:26:32
June 19 2009 08:12 GMT
#76
Minor influential games/trends which i noticed

Sea vs Yarnc on peaks of baekdu
I know the muta+plague vessel trick used before than but that game really popularized it.

Jaedong hiding 2 scourge with his muta group to catch terran's first vessel trick was really popularized too. Not a specific game though.

Nada vs Gorush on luna can be counted because it was the beginning of the management zergs
savior ggplay and now effort.

Oov vs yellow on forte really popularized tank heavy builds. Oov goes 3 fact tanks. I heard it was in_dove who invented it though.

A game that literally no one remembers I think it was skyhigh vs yarnc on zodiac yarnc might have done it earlier maybe vs canata on blue storm was it?. Yarnc parasites terran's first vessel to know terran's movements and to snipe it easier. This was before jaedong's ensnare game vs fantasy. Had no influence but i thought it was really cute and wanted to try it out.

Jaedong vs Fantasy on chupung ryeong. Popularized queens+ensnare for abit. I remember my friends were trying them out after this game. Still some zergs use them like hogil vs piano and hogil vs hiya.

How can i forget Mind vs Haran on katrina. Really popularized muta into ultra rushing. There were earlier games that used the strat like haran vs light on ungoro, savior vs hwasin on baekdu earliest one i remember he went guardian ultra in that game, and kwanro vs sea on blue storm.

I think 2 hatch muta in its prime was actually more influential because of blue storm 1.1. Some games i remember jaedong vs flash and kwanro vs canata.

Anyone think nada vs yellow on that map where he slides his marines though the minerals with barracks was pretty influential? Or was it more monty hall that did it. Because now we see all sorts of tricks with mineral glitching. Requiem might had helped too.

Games which really influenced tvz or at least me was fbh vs savior on katrina and flash vs ggplay on python. Its when anti muta builds were starting to appear like fast +1 or 7 rax or even a combination of both. Sea vs luxury on colosseum is the perfect example of this. fast +1 weap 5 rax build.

Correct me on anything i got wrong.

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Elric
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1327 Posts
June 19 2009 08:22 GMT
#77
Really great write-up. Thanks OP~
Napalm
Profile Joined April 2009
Turkey54 Posts
June 19 2009 11:36 GMT
#78
nal_ra vs casy link is broken
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
June 19 2009 15:36 GMT
#79
On June 18 2009 17:39 baubo wrote:
Nice thread.

One thing I'm wondering is, can any one player/game be credited to breaking Savior's ZvT? FBH's series was definitely the most famous, but I think even before him, terrans had began to break Savior's "bare-minimum defense until hive" builds.

A lot of games I can think of are more player-oriented than causing trends. A lot of Stork builds never became popular because they're more map-abuse then anything else. ForGG's sense of timing would be influential if he actually stayed relevant long enough. Jaedong IMO had a lot of builds that only worked because he's Jaedong, and doesn't really transfer to other zergs. And it seems that the whole 14CC thing never caught on with anyone except Flash.


Breaking Savior was really a combination of Bisu breaking Savior's confidence, hive-style play becoming more known (and thus players more familiar with the hive timings and nuisances) and Terran builds becoming better.

Yea, Jaedong's style of play is interesting because it really isn't transferable (at least appears to not be transferable) to other zergs at the moment. His mechanics are on another plane and no other zerg can simply just copy his builds. On the other hand, his builds are really, really inflexible and he's bad at adapting from his game plan.

ForGG - I feel like he only exhibited sick timing sense in that series against Jaedong, who is (was) his training partner and is bad at adapting, as already discussed. Past that, he just macroed up and had so many units it didn't matter.

14 CC didn't really catch on because if you become known for it, you're going to get double proxy'd raxed a lot. It's the same reason 12 nexus never became popular PvT. It's a good build with no real counter on the Terran side, but if you become known for it you get proxy rax'd a lot. See Stork-Flash game 2 on Katrina from the OSL finals.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
June 19 2009 23:41 GMT
#80
On June 19 2009 15:37 Kuja900 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2009 14:37 tenbagger wrote:
I'd like to add one more recommendation

sync vs jinnam on HOV coca cola round of 16 i think

sync goes marine medic vs hydra lurk on an island map. this was way back when bionic control wasn't as advanced and no one dared take on hydra lurk with no tank support but sync showed the power of bionic when controlled properly.


Anyone know where I can see this game.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/6193_JinNam_vs_Sync

but no vod up. if someone has this game, plz upload!
MuR)Ernu
Profile Joined September 2008
Finland768 Posts
June 20 2009 00:59 GMT
#81
PROGRAMMERS!!!
yB.TeH
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany414 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-20 03:49:04
June 20 2009 03:48 GMT
#82
and all these years i thought they are actually playing the game, but now it's revealed they just code some insane ai
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
June 21 2009 22:41 GMT
#83
if i actually knew someone who was interested in playing starcraft or starting, id show them this thread.

lmao

its really good though.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
lantern77
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada60 Posts
June 22 2009 23:12 GMT
#84
Holy there are a lot of videos here. NICE
Love, pain, and misery
wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
June 22 2009 23:50 GMT
#85
Nice! good idea starting a thread like this. Midas ceremony ist just... hahah
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
June 23 2009 00:20 GMT
#86
Thanks for these recs - I wasn't around for a lot of the epic stuff in the earlier years so it's good to find a list of things to catch up on when time permits.
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Vharox
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States1037 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-23 04:20:40
June 23 2009 04:20 GMT
#87
On June 20 2009 09:59 MuR)Ernu wrote:
PROGRAMMERS!!!

I noticed he kept saying programmers instead of progamers too :-p

Edit: Nice post though xD
Gryffindor_us
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States5606 Posts
June 23 2009 05:41 GMT
#88
Ugh don't remind me of Boxer vs YellOw. That was the most disappointing semi-finals for so many reasons.

It pains me to even mention it but iloveoov's usage of massive amounts of wraiths was not something people had seen at that point. I don't know when it was truly introduced into TvT but he definitely used it against NaDa during TriGem if I'm not mistaken.
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hcliff454
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada127 Posts
June 25 2009 15:42 GMT
#89
awesome writeup thanks
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