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On June 17 2009 22:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2009 22:23 Geo.Rion wrote:On June 17 2009 21:30 Malinor wrote:
God these threads are entertaining.
But seriously, what can you say about the match: The (arguably) best amateur player of all time, which seems to spend more time on his college education than on starcraft lately, plays against a progamer. Everyting but Idra winning would be an upset.
Mondragon has nothing to proof and also nothing to lose. Idra has to win if he wants to maintain respect in the foreigner scene (and he most probably will win).
I am sure in Korea noone will give a shit about this match. ohm you might change the word "respect" with sg else. I mean, most of the community does not respect Idra at all, not even the part which thinks he's the best foreigner by far. It's really nothing to respect about him, beside his luck (i mean he wasn't a great player, won a tournament which probably would have been his last one, got the opportunity to fo to Korea, where he could learn from skilled coaches and players, and now he's making more money from SC than most of the korean progamers who are 10times better than him, because he's winning like half of the foreign tournaments which have reasonable price-pools). think about for how long Idra was there? And he still loses a lot to foreigners, who have much, much worse practice opporunities and some of them are busy with RL too, or have to quit playing for weeks or months from different reasons. + Show Spoiler +I'm quite sure there are 5-10 players who after 3-6 months training in Korea would totally rape Idra, as he is now. Not counting players like PJ, who are still heavy favorites against Idra. you don't know what you're talking about
i cant help but laugh on your posts (don't ban me for it please)
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On June 17 2009 22:23 Geo.Rion wrote:
ohm you might change the word "respect" with sg else. I mean, most of the community does not respect Idra at all, not even the part which thinks he's the best foreigner by far.
Speak for yourself. I do indeed respect Idra for what he's doing. He definitly is bm and he deserves to be critized for it, but I couldn't care less for that stuff.
What I do care about is that he is the only foreigner left hanging in there in a extremely competitive Korean pro scene. He puts up with an incredible tough training regiment and a language barrier which makes even simple interaction with his fellow teammates difficult.
You might not like him or his attitude but imho his effort deserves respect.
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On June 17 2009 22:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2009 21:12 Krigstar wrote:On June 17 2009 20:49 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On June 17 2009 20:12 Krigstar wrote:On June 17 2009 19:56 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
like do i need to reiterate that stork was the biggest bm jerk in the world before he made it big
DIDNT DO HIM ANY HARM NOW DID IT no it didnt!!!!1 is that your point? you honestly cant see the difference between stork, tasteless, testie and idra? fuck i cant tell when you are stupid or sarcastic T_T sweet so your logic is that it wasnt a big deal that stork was super bm when he was at idra's level in the heirarchy because stork is now really good so people magically know who will or will not be really good and dont hold their bm against them because "its okay kiddo, you'll be a superstar one day" ok so you werent sarcastic. back when stork was BM, i am sure that he was not very well-liked. and i am also sure no one really gave a shit about him or defended him. i cant imagine you going "HEY STOP IT STORK MIGHT VERY WELL BE A STAR LEAGUER SOME DAY, GIVE HIM YOUR LOVE!" THAT is the difference here. people actually defending idra, when he is a bad player with a bad attitutde. when he is a star leaguer i am sure he will have the time to make people forget his past shitty retarded behaviour but right now, i cant support him. i have cheered for every foreigner in korea and i would love to cheer for idra like i did in the beggining but i cant anymore. but again, dont get me wrong. he can do whatever he want. just dont call me names or make fun of me when i do what the majority of the foreign starcraft fans do here at teamliquid i.e. cheer for the good players and hate on the loud and shitty ones. i'm not defending anyone. idra is an angry little nerd. I don't know how the hell you can pretend he's a bad player, but he is certainly an angry little nerd. i spoke specifically about the wierd delusions that idra is ruining the reputation of foreigners in korea and that koreans actually give a shit whether idra is bad manner or not again, 2+2 is not 7 please learn to process what you read before you start posting
well as it turns out, i totally agree with you here and i posted almost exactly the same thing.
koreans dont give a shit about idra. that was literally my only point in my first responce in this thread and you start to go off right away with the 2+2=7. in my eyes we agree 100 %. what is it really that ticks you off?
the only difference in my post is that i openly stated that koreans dont care about idra because he sucks (i obviously meant this in a progaming sense). and you also said this in different words by making these statements:
On June 17 2009 18:44 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
koreans don't give a shit about any of this, they care about being good at starcraft
On June 17 2009 22:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
the wierd delusions that idra is ruining the reputation of foreigners in korea and that koreans actually give a shit whether idra is bad manner or not
i.e., koreans only care about being good in starcraft, koreans dont care about idra.
im sorry if i was aggresive in my first post, but obviously i misunderstood you since we both make the same point... i just wonder about why you claim my logic is flawed when i earlier stated exactly the point you made just now -.-
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On June 18 2009 02:50 Krigstar wrote:
blablabla
where do you get your information from, how do you know how idra does in practice at the cj house, why dont you find something better to do with your time.
faggot
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hopefully Idra will keep these threads for his grandchildren, good ´ole times
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LOL that was my first time seeing that FBH performance after his victory... LOL the other guy must've been pissed.
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On June 18 2009 02:11 radar14 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2009 01:54 HanN00b wrote:
Every thread containing idra is about his personality, which is bad as everone knows. This should be about the game or stop posting here.
Idra 3:1 Mondragon
(10 month ago: Mondragon 3:1 Idra) Dude, who gives a crap what would've happened 10 months ago. Are we going to predict Savior games now by saying: (3 years ago: Savior 100:0). Yes we all know how great Mondragon was and how good he still is now. We all know how much Idra has improved. Do you think you need to constantly remind us or something? It was already borderline obnoxious in the opening post. Now it's just becoming grating.
I dont give a damn about how much Idra has improved. Mondragon is still the much better (with more intelligence and talent) player. Idra can only win against him as long as he is training in korea. I guess about one or two month after he leaves it would be mondragon 10-0 idra again.
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On June 18 2009 04:16 HanN00b wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2009 02:11 radar14 wrote:On June 18 2009 01:54 HanN00b wrote:
Every thread containing idra is about his personality, which is bad as everone knows. This should be about the game or stop posting here.
Idra 3:1 Mondragon
(10 month ago: Mondragon 3:1 Idra) Dude, who gives a crap what would've happened 10 months ago. Are we going to predict Savior games now by saying: (3 years ago: Savior 100:0). Yes we all know how great Mondragon was and how good he still is now. We all know how much Idra has improved. Do you think you need to constantly remind us or something? It was already borderline obnoxious in the opening post. Now it's just becoming grating. I dont give a damn about how much Idra has improved. Mondragon is still the much better (with more intelligence and talent) player. Idra can only win against him as long as he is training in korea. I guess about one or two month after he leaves it would be mondragon 10-0 idra again.
LOL. And here I was thinking that those little comments were just slipping out from a little benign fanboyism. Little did I know they were just the tip of the iceberg containing a much more irrational and annoying type of devotion. Hey, I like Mondi as much as the next guy. He's one of my favorite players of all time and has amazing consistent results for many many years. By all accounts, he's good mannered and his cool-guy reputation is even known on this site, where he never posts. That said, nobody ever made excuses for his opponents when he was the overwhelming favorite. So why are you doing it for him? Let's just call a spade a spade. Idra's better than him right now. If that's not true in a year, we'll talk about it then. No need to post in such an annoying and inflammatory tone about stuff that nobody could ever know about.
edit: since reading the trolling guide, I feel obligated to acknowledge that I'm probably the idiot for responding to this guy. But I just can't help myself...it's like that deliciously dirty feeling you get from watching Fox News.
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Oh please win Idra. Bring joy to aspies all over the world
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I am not a fan of any BW player. I dont care but its just too obvious that mondragon has much more talent than idra in comparison. If you think its fanboyrism you simply dont know the facts. Following both players over the years everyone knows it. Its just as obvious as the fact that Idra is better than mondragon because of his training now.
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On June 18 2009 02:16 BigSausage wrote:
how is idra owning mondi wtf, hmm probably mondi not practicing enough....
Mondi hasnt done anything big in a long time since TSL atleast and there he didnt do anything other than get #1 on the ladder and then 2-0'd by drevien.
Everyone thinks he's some kind of god of zerg currently when in reality its someone like Ret who plays alot more and gets more results
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Ok, how about we have a poll. If people say no, then I will never bring it up again (I probably won't anyway because it's pointless). If people say yes, just acknowledge the image you've created for yourself.
Poll: Is HanN00b a fanboy?
(Vote): No
(Vote): Yes
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Mondragon is no Chinese Zerg. Mondragon to fail 0-3.
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On June 18 2009 05:22 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2009 02:16 BigSausage wrote:
how is idra owning mondi wtf, hmm probably mondi not practicing enough.... Mondi hasnt done anything big in a long time since TSL atleast and there he didnt do anything other than get #1 on the ladder and then 2-0'd by drevien. Everyone thinks he's some kind of god of zerg currently when in reality its someone like Ret who plays alot more and gets more results
Mondragon had his great time 2-3 years ago. Nowadays he is nothing special but correct me if I am wrong: Who is the more talented player? A player whos strength is his strategy, creativity and his timing is clearly more talented as a player like idra who just relay on his macro (something that with the right amount of training I think at least 30% of the people here (so a lot more than just hundred) could have as good macro as idra)
Its not only Mondragon: You heard it here first. There are at least a 100 foreign players with more talent than idra. I am not saying mondragon is the most talented of all of these and I do think there are a lot of americans too. So you see I am not a mondragon or europe fanboy.
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Long before IdrA ever went to Korea he was beating Mondragon. He beat him in every event they played in and I think Mondragon was even going Protoss vs him at one point. It wasn't even close between them, is the point. IdrA had good success vs the other top guys as well, so all this about him only winning while in Korea is making me elohel.
And beyond all that, he got skilled in 1/4th the time these other famed "top foreigners" did, and didn't pussy out about going to Korea when the time came like some of them did either. Maybe some folks need to go Amazon a dictionary and look up the word talent, cuzz they obv confused.
But he is an angry little nerd. And that matters.
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Idra for the guillotine yet again.
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Leave it to IdrA's fanboy and closest friend to give you the unbias'd truth!
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On June 17 2009 18:49 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2009 18:47 paper wrote:On June 17 2009 18:44 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On June 17 2009 12:11 stafu wrote:
lol @ IdrA editing out the "fucking" from his post, still not learning though. Honestly, when you are given the opportunity to do what Idra is doing, coming out of the pockets of other people, in a sense representing the foreign SC scene, on top of that being in a foreign country, and on top of that having done absolutely nothing on the Korean scene side of things, you really should act like a professional, with some sense of respect, let alone talk all this shit. It doesn't make you look hardcore or tough or anything like that, it just makes you look like a dick. It's embarrassingly disrespectful to the people who got you over there, which is why I believe Daniel Lee was as upset as he was to see that all the stories about how much of a tool Idra can be were true.
I find it very hard to see anyone in Korea giving a shit about the foreign scene if someone like Idra is the only one representing it. He's just embarrassing. koreans don't give a shit about any of this, they care about being good at starcraft really, they don't give a shit about respect? lol. they don't give a shit what idra says in foreigner tournaments starcraft fans and players in korea seem to have a little more common sense than that
eh? the fomos forum comments say otherwise.
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On June 16 2009 23:05 LordWeird wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2009 23:01 Last.Midnight wrote:
IdrA don't even deserve to be casted. I won't watch these games, they don't deserve to be watched. Haha, coming from the guy who has "Go Cowboys" as his quote...
I'm loving this comeback ^^
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if he bad manners fucking Mondragon, the guy deserves to be shot.
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